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Inside Britainís big, dumb halal pizza scandal (external - login to view)
Hmmm. . . if Westerners are as tolerant as some folk hereabouts like to claim, why are they organising boycotts of chains that use halal meat?
Why should we be "tolerant" about things which shouldn't be tolerated? Why should we be "tolerant" about halal meat? Why should non-Christians be unknowingly fed Halal meat, even if they don't want to eat it, just to cater for the tiny proportion of the British population - less than 3% - that is Muslim? Why should the 97% eat Islamic food just because 3% are Muslim?
Like I always say - It's another situation of the vast non-Muslim population having to cater for the tiny Muslim population. It's another case of British culture being Islamicised just to cater for a tiny proportion of people who are Muslim. It's wrong.
It's about time Halal was banned in Britain. Countries such as Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland and several other European countries have banned this barbaric practise. It's time Britain followed suit. The EU is wanting to ban Halal it in all its member states.
I'm getting fed up of Britain bending over backwards to "tolerate" foreign cultures. Foreigners moving to Britain should adopt British laws and customs, not vice versa.
We Muslims should be appalled by the sale of halal meat by stealth
9 May 2014
(By Dr Taj Hargey, Director of the Muslim Educational Centre of Oxford and Imam of the Oxford Islamic Congregation)
When I walk into a restaurant, Iím usually a hungry customer. It shouldnít be important to the waiter what my religion is.
I could be a Muslim, a Christian or a Jedi warrior. Whatever my beliefs, I have a right to enjoy my meal without any hidden agendas.
Pizza Express, one of Britainís favourite food institutions, admitted this week that all the chicken it serves has been killed according to traditional halal methods. The blood was drained from the bird and prayers were recited during the slaughter.
Production line: Chickens after ritual slaughter in a halal abattoir in Burgundy, France
Now it turns out that the meat in many supermarkets is also halal ó though there is no recognisable label to indicate this fact to consumers.
This is covert religious extremism and creeping Islamic fundamentalism making its way into Britain by the back door. It is completely wrong that the food sensitivities of Britainís Muslims ó who amount to just 4.8 per cent of the population ó should take precedence over the other 95 per cent.
Halal meat should never be forced on customers without their knowing, surreptitiously and using clandestine methods. Itís unfair to everyone, non-Muslims and Muslims alike. Itís deception on a grand scale for the former, while it could fuel bitter resentment against the latter.
Of course I understand that many of my fellow Muslims, who are moderates not militants, will feel strongly that they wish to eat meat that has been killed by customary halal methods ó and they have a perfect right to do so.
With halal meat blood is drained from the animals and prayers are recited during the slaughter
But many misconceptions need to be clarified, because I am certain that most people donít understand where these rules about food came from, and who benefits from them.
First of all, if youíve just tucked into a chicken pizza without knowing it was halal meat, it hasnít done you any physical harm. But it hasnít done you any spiritual good, either. Muslims donít believe that religious observance can be used as a holy shortcut or a ticket to paradise.
Furthermore, the idea that Muslims cannot eat non-halal food ó food that is suitable for Christians ó is completely wrong, and it has no theological basis in the Koran, the supreme text of Islam.
Iím a dedicated Muslim, a devout religionist, an imam and intellectual scholar of Islam, but I eat whatever food is placed before me, with the obvious exception of pork. If youíre kind enough to invite me to your home, I would eat whatever meat you chose to serve: turkey, lamb, chicken, beef Ö anything except pork.
This is perfectly permissible in Islam, and the crucial thing is that it doesnít have to be halal meat. No one wants an imam to be quoting chapter and verse of the Koran over the turkey sandwiches, but it is important that everyone understands how clearcut the teaching is.
Chapter five, verse five of the Koran states: ĎThis day all good things are made lawful for you. The food of the People of the Book [meaning the Jews and the Christians] is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them Öí
There are no ifs and buts about that. The Koran does expect us to be thankful for our food, however.
I teach in Oxford, and when I go to dining halls in the university, I eat what is available. I must say, Iím partial to a slice of steak.
At the point of consumption, before I put the food in my mouth, I give thanks, with a brief prayer that Muslims have been saying for more than 1,400 years.
I say: ĎIn the name of God, the most Merciful, the most Gracious.í Christian readers will recognise what Iím doing ó itís very similar to the concept of saying grace.
The Koran says we cannot eat slaughtered meat unless the name of God exclusively has been pronounced over it, not any other deity or idol.
So, it does not really matter if, when that cow or lamb was slaughtered, the abattoir workers were saying prayers or playing heavy rock music at full blast on their radios. The individual prayer just prior to actual consumption makes the meat fit ó halal ó to eat.
Last edited by Blackleaf; May 10th, 2014 at 06:45 AM..