Kidnapped girls in Nigeria


JLM
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#1
Upon skimming through the thread titles immediately visible on the Forum I found nothing on the 270 odd girls who were kidnapped in Nigeria. My opinion only but I think of all the issues in the world today I personally think this one should take precedence as far as solving is concerned, for three main reasons- one being a chance that it can be solves and two being the dastardly nature of the crime and three being it could very easily be our daughters and grand daughters. Is the U.N. involved in this? If not, what f-king good are they? Is there a reputable agency taking the "bull by the horns" and making an all out effort to solve this? I personally think every country in the world should be making a concerted effort. If there is a safe and reliable place to donate funds, I myself would donate a couple of bucks towards it. Surely there is enough people who care!
 
Zipperfish
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#2
The problem is not that easily solved. First off there's the corrupt, weak Nigerian government. Depsite the fact that many relatives of the abducted girls had no problems finding the abductors, the government adn army, apparently, can find no sign of Boko Haram. The presidnet's wife accused the whole thing of being a hoax to make the government look bad. That is to say, the government doesn't give a sh*t.

They are belatedly starting to be interested, maybe at the worldwide outrage, but more probably because they smell an opportunity to get money.

The US, Brtiain, France and Canada are all offering (non-military) resources. Mostly intelligence. I imagine it won't be hard to find this marauding horde. They will be smashed but will reform right after.

That said, efforts against a similar group--the Lord's Resistance Army--in Congo have been rather successful. Though the leader remains at large, members are deserting quickly. There has been a contingent of US special forces hunting them down. Apparently, though, creating refugee areas for LRA deserters (desite their horrific crimes) has worked. Don't know all that much about though.
 
JLM
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by ZipperfishView Post

The problem is not that easily solved. First off there's the corrupt, weak Nigerian government. Depsite the fact that many relatives of the abducted girls had no problems finding the abductors, the government adn army, apparently, can find no sign of Boko Haram. The presidnet's wife accused the whole thing of being a hoax to make the government look bad. That is to say, the government doesn't give a sh*t.

They are belatedly starting to be interested, maybe at the worldwide outrage, but more probably because they smell an opportunity to get money.

The US, Brtiain, France and Canada are all offering (non-military) resources. Mostly intelligence. I imagine it won't be hard to find this marauding horde. They will be smashed but will reform right after.

That said, efforts against a similar group--the Lord's Resistance Army--in Congo have been rather successful. Though the leader remains at large, members are deserting quickly. There has been a contingent of US special forces hunting them down. Apparently, though, creating refugee areas for LRA deserters (desite their horrific crimes) has worked. Don't know all that much about though.

Out of a billion and a half Chinese is there none of them who give a sh*t? I think just a few thousand of them could be pretty formidable!
 
Tecumsehsbones
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#4
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Upon skimming through the thread titles immediately visible on the Forum I found nothing on the 270 odd girls who were kidnapped in Nigeria. My opinion only but I think of all the issues in the world today I personally think this one should take precedence as far as solving is concerned, for three main reasons- one being a chance that it can be solves and two being the dastardly nature of the crime and three being it could very easily be our daughters and grand daughters. Is the U.N. involved in this? If not, what f-king good are they? Is there a reputable agency taking the "bull by the horns" and making an all out effort to solve this? I personally think every country in the world should be making a concerted effort. If there is a safe and reliable place to donate funds, I myself would donate a couple of bucks towards it. Surely there is enough people who care!

The UN is neither designed nor empowered to intervene in the internal affairs of countries. There have been times when they stretched a point to do so, but generally they don't. What exactly would you have the UN do? Send in a division from the army it doesn't have to terrain it doesn't know and a political situation it doesn't understand?

I suppose Canada could go in. Of course, if the U.S. did, the folks here would be the first (among billions of others) to scream their heads off.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

The UN is neither designed nor empowered to intervene in the internal affairs of countries. There have been times when they stretched a point to do so, but generally they don't. What exactly would you have the UN do?

Obviously something concrete that they haven't been known to do in 70 years!
 
damngrumpy
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#6  Top Rated Post
We have listened to the Islamic Bullsh*t
We have witnessed the threats to human safety
we can look the other way in the face of human misery
But We Cannot and Dare Not abandoned Children
to mad men.
At some point we must draw a line in the sand and say to
Islam cross this line and the world will intervene.
Yes it means bloodshed it means instability it means a lot
of things.
We have bowed our heads turned our backs and closed our ears
and now its time we said enough. You bomb rape murder and kill
but know this
We are not going to do something so terrible as to frighten you
We are going to do something so terrible it frightens us
For this is the only language these terrorists understand
If we continue to ignore it these things will begin to happen everywhere
Remember Rome survived only because Carthage was destroyed
 
Tecumsehsbones
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#7
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Obviously something concrete that they haven't been known to do in 70 years!

The Korean War wasn't concrete enough for you?

The UN has been remarkably effective, considering that it was designed to be utterly powerless. The only organ with any real power is the Security Council, and that is designed so that Russia, China, the U.S., the UK, and France have to agree before it can do anything.

Many of the UN's agencies have done a great job: the WHO, the IMO, ICAO, ITU, &c.

You're expecting it to do a job it wasn't designed to do, has not authority to do, and has a voting structure that allows any of the Big Five to stop it in its tracks.

A bit like expecting to fly to Paris in a Buick.

Why aren't you angry at the Vancouver Police Department for not doing something about the kidnapped Nigerian girls? The VPD has as much authority over the matter as the UN does.
 
JLM
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#8
Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

The Korean War wasn't concrete enough for you?

The UN has been remarkably effective, considering that it was designed to be utterly powerless. The only organ with any real power is the Security Council, and that is designed so that Russia, China, the U.S., the UK, and France have to agree before it can do anything.

Many of the UN's agencies have done a great job: the WHO, the IMO, ICAO, ITU, &c.

You're expecting it to do a job it wasn't designed to do, has not authority to do, and has a voting structure that allows any of the Big Five to stop it in its tracks.

A bit like expecting to fly to Paris in a Buick.

Why aren't you angry at the Vancouver Police Department for not doing something about the kidnapped Nigerian girls? The VPD has as much authority over the matter as the UN does.

Well, I think the V.P.D. has a finite jurisdiction.
 
Zipperfish
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#9
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

We have listened to the Islamic Bullsh*t
We have witnessed the threats to human safety
we can look the other way in the face of human misery
But We Cannot and Dare Not abandoned Children
to mad men.
At some point we must draw a line in the sand and say to
Islam cross this line and the world will intervene.
Yes it means bloodshed it means instability it means a lot
of things.
We have bowed our heads turned our backs and closed our ears
and now its time we said enough. You bomb rape murder and kill
but know this
We are not going to do something so terrible as to frighten you
We are going to do something so terrible it frightens us
For this is the only language these terrorists understand
If we continue to ignore it these things will begin to happen everywhere
Remember Rome survived only because Carthage was destroyed

Lord's Resistance Army was just as bad and they were Christian. Then there were the yahoos and the necklacing in South Africa--wasn't Muslims. Then there them crazy Hutus murdering almost a million Tutsis in a few short weeks. Not Muslim. All black though. Maybe that's what you're getting at? RACIST!!!!! ha ha ha
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Well, I think the V.P.D. has a finite jurisdiction.


and so does the UN
 
JLM
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

and so does the UN

Exactly.................There are 193 United Nations (UN) member states, and each of them is a member of the United Nations General Assembly.[2]- slightly larger than the V.P.D. -
 
damngrumpy
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#12
Zipperfish you are right they were Christians and we didn't do anything about
them either but this is becoming a direct threat to the stability of the future.
This has the potential to be worse than the Russians and the Ukraine issue.
The time has come to move the UN aside and assemble the forces required
to put these insane people in their place.
The UN is not equipped to handle this anyway We need to forget the niceties
and the rules of war and just go in and sock it to them
 
gopher
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#13
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Upon skimming through the thread titles immediately visible on the Forum I found nothing on the 270 odd girls who were kidnapped in Nigeria. My opinion only but I think of all the issues in the world today I personally think this one should take precedence as far as solving is concerned, for three main reasons- one being a chance that it can be solves and two being the dastardly nature of the crime and three being it could very easily be our daughters and grand daughters. Is the U.N. involved in this? If not, what f-king good are they? Is there a reputable agency taking the "bull by the horns" and making an all out effort to solve this? I personally think every country in the world should be making a concerted effort. If there is a safe and reliable place to donate funds, I myself would donate a couple of bucks towards it. Surely there is enough people who care!



It is the responsibility of the OAS to keep order in Africa. Over the years African dissidents and others have said they do not approve of "Blue Helmets" (UN peacekeepers) in their soil. Yet, for some reason, they disregard OAS military personnel and this is why there are so many problems there.
 
Colpy
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

The Korean War wasn't concrete enough for you?

The UN has been remarkably effective, considering that it was designed to be utterly powerless. The only organ with any real power is the Security Council, and that is designed so that Russia, China, the U.S., the UK, and France have to agree before it can do anything.

Many of the UN's agencies have done a great job: the WHO, the IMO, ICAO, ITU, &c.

You're expecting it to do a job it wasn't designed to do, has not authority to do, and has a voting structure that allows any of the Big Five to stop it in its tracks.

A bit like expecting to fly to Paris in a Buick.

Why aren't you angry at the Vancouver Police Department for not doing something about the kidnapped Nigerian girls? The VPD has as much authority over the matter as the UN does.

The UN has acted as it was intended exactly twice.....both times it was pawn of US foreign policy.

The Korean War was set off only because the Russians had left the chamber in a huff....the last time THAT happened.

The First Gulf War was approved because the USSR had collapsed, and the USA was seen as the New Rome..........a power that could not be challenged.

That's it.

The Brits are probanly best suited to this work.........SAS and Gurkhas. Destroy Boko Haram.

In Malaysia in the 50s the Gurkhas were known for disappearing into the jungle and not being heard from for days......until they returned with a bag of heads, and tales of destroyed enemy bases.

They took heads of the Communist leaders for positive ID. Guess they didn't like cameras.

These are the guys to turn loose on Boko Haram.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Exactly.................There are 193 United Nations (UN) member states, and each of them is a member of the United Nations General Assembly.[2]- slightly larger than the V.P.D. -


OK, then why are you wanting the UN to do something when you recognize that they don't have the authority to do anything?
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

OK, then why are you wanting the UN to do something when you recognize that they don't have the authority to do anything?

If I was you, Gerry, I'd retract that arguement as the annual cost to just one nation was over $5 billion.
"The first report was an eye-opener. The OMB calculated that U.S. contributions totaled $4.115 billion in 2004 and $5.327 billion in 2005. The State Department had estimated 2004 contributions at “well over $3 billion” — only about 75 percent of the actual amount." The U.S. has roughly 5% of the world population so I suppose $100 billion a year would be in the ballpark. A lot of money for not having the authority to do F**K all. -
 
ArashJ
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what sucks the most is, this isnt a new thing at all. This is a pretty common problem in many parts of Africa, Europe and Asia. This time it just so happen they did it more publicly. Everything about this situation is disgusting. I had a quick glimpse of the TV today. didn't get a chance to pay attention. Something about the nigerian government asking Canada for help? isnt the Nigerian government part of the problem to begin with?
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

If I was you, Gerry, I'd retract that arguement as the annual cost to just one nation was over $5 billion.
"The first report was an eye-opener. The OMB calculated that U.S. contributions totaled $4.115 billion in 2004 and $5.327 billion in 2005. The State Department had estimated 2004 contributions at “well over $3 billion” — only about 75 percent of the actual amount." The U.S. has roughly 5% of the world population so I suppose $100 billion a year would be in the ballpark. A lot of money for not having the authority to do F**K all. -


No, I will not. Show me where in the UN's mandate it states that they have the authority to intervene in the internal policy's and problems of an independent nation without being asked to.

and BTW, I really don't give a shyte how much the u.s. pays into the UN. If they don't feel it is worth it, then they should bow out of the UN.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

No, I will not. Show me where in the UN's mandate it states that they have the authority to intervene in the internal policy's and problems of an independent nation without being asked to.

and BTW, I really don't give a shyte how much the u.s. pays into the UN. If they don't feel it is worth it, then they should bow out of the UN.

Not really surprising coming from someone who is O.K. with paying $150 an hour for labour!-
 
Zipperfish
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#20
The UN can't do crap. Neither can the Gurkhas.The only solution here is Wolverine or Hulk.
 
ArashJ
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Can't they do this they want they would do a drug bust?...go in...get some guy undercover...pretend he buying the girls ( werent they gonna sell them for 12$ each?)...then once the "transaction" takes place....they have a team near by to kick the sellers ***? I feel like this would be much easier? I get that it may fuel the whole supply and demand thing but.....at least you get the girls back??.......scrap that....send wolverine. he can sort this out
 
Zipperfish
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I'll see your outrage and raise you an atrocity...


BBC News - Nigeria confirms market massacre blamed on Boko Haram


Quote:

Nigeria's government has confirmed that suspected Islamist insurgents attacked a town in the north-east, massacring civilians during a busy market day.

Presidential spokesman Doyin Okupe told the BBC the official death toll was between 100 and 150.

 
damngrumpy
#23
Lets see we are prepared to go to war over Trade
We are prepared to go to war over retaliation for acts of violence
we are papered to go to war to protect ethnic enclaves
Tribal differences and a host of other issues

Yet when brazen murdering thugs professing fundamentalist religious
demands and threatening to overthrow a government institutionalized
terror and invoke the measure of slavery openly we are going to do
Nothing.

Slavery open and flaunted in our save the whales freedom for all society
and we do nothing. I can't imagine being left abandoned while our children
are stolen and sold for the sexual pleasures of a gone mad religion.
What the hell are we made of? Our fathers and Grandfathers went overseas
so we can have the right to play video games it seems.

When are we going to stand up and say to these people Enough?
The time has come for a bloated sleepy eyed world to understand we are already
at war with a culture that is working continuously t o destroy us. Not this is not
fear mongering its reality and its happening around the world.
Africa
Middle East
in parts of South East Asia
and in Europe in recent years
and even in America
Philippines

The time has come to say enough is enough and these little girls deserve the attention
and protection of the world. What needs to happen here is a team from China, America
Europe and anywhere else to go and fight for common decency if we can't do that we
can't eventually save our own society
 
Tecumsehsbones
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Well, I think the V.P.D. has a finite jurisdiction.

So does the UN. It's "jurisdiction" is limited to international conflicts.

Quote: Originally Posted by ZipperfishView Post

The UN can't do crap. Neither can the Gurkhas.The only solution here is Wolverine or Hulk.

Nonsense. This being a kidnapping of girls, it's obviously a job for the Estrogen Avengers: Supergirl, PowerGirl, Wonder Woman, Black Widow, and a bunch of other super-women who think that a strapless swimsuit with French cut thighs and a barely-there bodice is suitable dress for combat.

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

We have listened to the Islamic Bullsh*t
We have witnessed the threats to human safety
we can look the other way in the face of human misery
But We Cannot and Dare Not abandoned Children
to mad men.

Unless they're Christian madmen.

Quote:

At some point we must draw a line in the sand and say to
Islam cross this line and the world will intervene.
Yes it means bloodshed it means instability it means a lot
of things.
We have bowed our heads turned our backs and closed our ears
and now its time we said enough. You bomb rape murder and kill
but know this
We are not going to do something so terrible as to frighten you
We are going to do something so terrible it frightens us
For this is the only language these terrorists understand
If we continue to ignore it these things will begin to happen everywhere

These things have been happening everywhere for millennia.

Quote:

Remember Rome survived only because Carthage was destroyed

Assumes without evidence that Rome would not have survived had Carthage not been destroyed. And the Carthaginians weren't Muslim.
 
Locutus
+1
#25
never fear, mooch is here.






The First LadyVerified account ‏@FLOTUS

Our prayers are with the missing Nigerian girls and their families. It's time to #BringBackOurGirls. -mo pic.twitter.com/glDKDotJRt
 
PoliticalNick
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

...a strapless swimsuit with French cut thighs and a barely-there bodice is suitable dress for combat.

I'm thinking we should use this for all the armed forces. They might be too busy laughing at each other to kill anyone.

On another side....what else you would you prefer 2 amazon women to wear while we watch them cat-fight?
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

I'm thinking we should use this for all the armed forces. They might be too busy laughing at each other to kill anyone.

On another side....what else you would you prefer 2 amazon women to wear while we watch them cat-fight?

The Amazon women I knew wore battle fatigues.
 
damngrumpy
#28
I have great difficulties with Christian madmen too right now those crazy people
are carving up Uganda and they are worse than anything that went before.
We have to encourage democracy in the latter country as well its not just Muslims
but and I say But insanity by Muslim terrorists has now reached the point of do
something I for one believe we will fight them at some point
 
PoliticalNick
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

The Amazon women I knew wore battle fatigues.

I prefer it when they wear bikinis and fight in a huge pool of jello....
 
BornRuff
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by LocutusView Post

never fear, mooch is here.

It is bad but the most interesting thing about these photos is the facial expressions that people choose to make.



 

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