Kitimat residents vote no on Northern Gateway


petros
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#1
Those crazy daisies.... they make me smile.

KITIMAT, B.C. -- The residents of Kitimat, B.C. have voted against the proposed Northern Gateway pipeline project in a non-binding plebiscite.

The ballot count from Saturday's vote was 1,793 opposed versus 1,278 who supported the multi-billion dollar project -- a margin of 58.4 per cent to 41.6 per cent.

The $6.5-billion project would see two pipelines, one carrying oilsands' bitumen from Alberta to Kitimat's port, and a second carrying condensate -- a form of natural gas used to dilute the bitumen -- from Kitimat back to Alberta.

Kitimat would also be the site of a proposed two-berth marine terminal and tank farm to store the thick Alberta crude before it's loaded onto tankers for shipment to Asia.

Until this vote, Kitimat had remained neutral in its opinion on the controversial project. It didn't take part in the joint-review process, which heard from hundreds of people before a federal panel approved the project with 209 conditions.

The federal cabinet is expected to release its decision on Northern Gateway by June.

Read more: Northern Gateway vote: Kitimat, B.C., residents vote 'No' in oil pipeline plebiscite | CTV News (external - login to view)
 
Cliffy
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#2
Good for them.
 
damngrumpy
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#3
This takes care of the nonsense those people want the jobs. They don't want the terminal
they don't want what is about to be forced on them by Alberta and Ottawa.
I don't have a problem in some respects except the company running the project is not
respected and there is little confidence in their track record.
The people of the area don't want it, the natives don't want it and many of those who live in
this province don't want it for environmental reasons. The majority of people I believe are
against the project but Alberta and Ottawa want to dictate a different agenda to the people
of BC
This thing is a long way from over.
 
Nuggler
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Those crazy daisies.... they make me smile.

KITIMAT, B.C. -- The residents of Kitimat, B.C. have voted against the proposed Northern Gateway pipeline project in a non-binding plebiscite.

The ballot count from Saturday's vote was 1,793 opposed versus 1,278 who supported the multi-billion dollar project -- a margin of 58.4 per cent to 41.6 per cent.

The $6.5-billion project would see two pipelines, one carrying oilsands' bitumen from Alberta to Kitimat's port, and a second carrying condensate -- a form of natural gas used to dilute the bitumen -- from Kitimat back to Alberta.

Kitimat would also be the site of a proposed two-berth marine terminal and tank farm to store the thick Alberta crude before it's loaded onto tankers for shipment to Asia.

Until this vote, Kitimat had remained neutral in its opinion on the controversial project. It didn't take part in the joint-review process, which heard from hundreds of people before a federal panel approved the project with 209 conditions.

The federal cabinet is expected to release its decision on Northern Gateway by June.

Read more: Northern Gateway vote: Kitimat, B.C., residents vote 'No' in oil pipeline plebiscite | CTV News (external - login to view)




41.6 %.........well that's a majority eh..........carry on.
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

This takes care of the nonsense those people want the jobs. They don't want the terminal
they don't want what is about to be forced on them by Alberta and Ottawa.
I don't have a problem in some respects except the company running the project is not
respected and there is little confidence in their track record.
The people of the area don't want it, the natives don't want it and many of those who live in
this province don't want it for environmental reasons. The majority of people I believe are
against the project but Alberta and Ottawa want to dictate a different agenda to the people
of BC
This thing is a long way from over.

Yup. Crispy Clark wants it too. Between Crispy and Harpo, we are going to be fed the NWO, like it or not because them two are just sock puppets for the World Bank.
 
Scooby
+1
#6
I am glad they voted it down as well. Alberta is being transformed into somewhere few people are going to want to live. When it does, will those of us who lived our lives here been given an opportunity to stop or slow the pace of development? No chance for that, we are drowning in a sea of greed, with thousands more moving here every month.
 
B00Mer
+1
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by ScoobyView Post

I am glad they voted it down as well. Alberta is being transformed into somewhere few people are going to want to live. When it does, will those of us who lived our lives here been given an opportunity to stop or slow the pace of development? No chance for that, we are drowning in a sea of greed, with thousands more moving here every month.



Most of them are from Ontario... remember the days when you put your signal on and people would slow to let you move over, and you would waive... LOL

Now you put your signal on and the idiots close the gap, or tailgate, or flash headlights for you to get out of their way...

Fracking Easterners.
 
JLM
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#8
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Those crazy daisies.... they make me smile.

KITIMAT, B.C. -- The residents of Kitimat, B.C. have voted against the proposed Northern Gateway pipeline project in a non-binding plebiscite.

The ballot count from Saturday's vote was 1,793 opposed versus 1,278 who supported the multi-billion dollar project -- a margin of 58.4 per cent to 41.6 per cent.

The $6.5-billion project would see two pipelines, one carrying oilsands' bitumen from Alberta to Kitimat's port, and a second carrying condensate -- a form of natural gas used to dilute the bitumen -- from Kitimat back to Alberta.

Kitimat would also be the site of a proposed two-berth marine terminal and tank farm to store the thick Alberta crude before it's loaded onto tankers for shipment to Asia.

Until this vote, Kitimat had remained neutral in its opinion on the controversial project. It didn't take part in the joint-review process, which heard from hundreds of people before a federal panel approved the project with 209 conditions.

The federal cabinet is expected to release its decision on Northern Gateway by June.

Read more: Northern Gateway vote: Kitimat, B.C., residents vote 'No' in oil pipeline plebiscite | CTV News (external - login to view)


Would there be any valid reason to continue having a welfare office in Kitimat?

Maybe if people put the same effort into making the project workable as they put into trying to kill it, everyone would benefit. Surely to Christ if they can safely put men on the moon they can safely move oil! -
 
B00Mer
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Surely to Christ if they can safely put men on the moon they can safely move oil! -

Debatable...



The USA is famous for one thing really.. Hollywood and making of movies..
 
taxslave
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#10  Top Rated Post
It is a none binding vote by the town. The local band was not allowed to vote. The town has no say in what happens anyway. oddly enoughnthere are a fair number of people in town that want the smelter to close too and it is the only reason the town even exists. Developement work is going on at a rapid pace on LNG plants right now.
right now I am in the construction camp for the rebuilding of the smelter. Busy spot with lots of union jobs.
 
captain morgan
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#11
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

It is a none binding vote by the town. The local band was not allowed to vote. The town has no say in what happens anyway. oddly enoughnthere are a fair number of people in town that want the smelter to close too and it is the only reason the town even exists. Developement work is going on at a rapid pace on LNG plants right now.
right now I am in the construction camp for the rebuilding of the smelter. Busy spot with lots of union jobs.


The Feds are the final say.... Doesn't really matter if the town wants it or not
 
Liberalman
#12
Another Conservative disgrace
 
captain morgan
#13
Sounds to me like the sweet, sweet sound of sour grapes
 
BruSan
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#14
NIMBIES; ya just gotta love 'em.

Now lets see if they would offer up another plebiscite vote on whether or not their share of transfer payments get cut in keeping with them not wanting dirty crude going through their back yard. They, of course, would not want their share of the wealth from that dirty oil either I suppose.

Last I looked at LA North and it's credit card mentality, if by easterners moving west Boomer mean't Asians I might agree with him but most easterners of the Canadian variety I know, are moving east to the Maritimes due to cheaper housing and entrenched sanity without the Loony Tunes 'snowmobile in the front yard of houses in Victoria' mentality and condo windows made of sieve material in every high rise in Vancouver.

The only city I've ever visited where you had to line up to get a coffee in Starbucks (Pre Horton days) because those idiots were all using Visa to buy their damned coffees. Lived there for a time in the sixties while in the RCN, thought it was overrated then with the only redeeming feature being the far north a big game hunter's paradise. No more.
 
PoliticalNick
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Quote: Originally Posted by ScoobyView Post

I am glad they voted it down as well. Alberta is being transformed into somewhere few people are going to want to live. When it does, will those of us who lived our lives here been given an opportunity to stop or slow the pace of development? No chance for that, we are drowning in a sea of greed, with thousands more moving here every month.

I love it in Alberta. After living in BC since 1975 I moved here in 2010. Since then I have made more money and actually worked less hours. I used to make $4500/mo doing the same job in BC, now I make $9000/mo. I pay less for cost of living and make twice as much, I don't know about anyone else but the math works for me. You want to live in BC and keep accumulating debt just to keep food on the table be my guest, I have reduced my debt by half in the last 3 years and bought all new furnishings and a $40,000 travel trailer for cash.
 
WindWalker
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

I love it in Alberta. After living in BC since 1975 I moved here in 2010. Since then I have made more money and actually worked less hours. I used to make $4500/mo doing the same job in BC, now I make $9000/mo. I pay less for cost of living and make twice as much, I don't know about anyone else but the math works for me. You want to live in BC and keep accumulating debt just to keep food on the table be my guest, I have reduced my debt by half in the last 3 years and bought all new furnishings and a $40,000 travel trailer for cash.

Alberta is a great place to make money.

B.C. is a great place to spend that money.
 
PoliticalNick
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#17
The people of Kitimat are obviously brain dead. This project already has a guarantee from the private sector of $2 billion to build the facilities that would create about 500 permanent, full-time, well paid positions. Then there is the 1000's of jobs to build the facilities creating an estimated influx to the local economy of clost to $1 billion in the next 5-7 years. Does nobody see the overall benefit of this moving ahead. Think about it for a minute....all the hotels will be full for 5 years straight, all the workers will need to eat and buy gas and will be spending money in local stores and bars and theater etc, etc, etc. I agree with JLM, if they turn down this project then they should also be banned from receiving any govt handouts and close the welfare & EI offices. Obviously they don't want to work and grow their economy so let them sink on their own.
 
Durry
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#18
Kinda makes on think that there is a segment of the population that are just born losers!!

"one think"
 
WindWalker
+1
#19
A job? How could you possibly attend all the protests if you had to go to work? Taxpayers wouldn't be buying your coffee and doughnuts or anything.

Perish the thought.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by DurryView Post

Kinda makes on think that there is a segment of the population that are just born losers!!

"one think"


Don't worry about it, we all know it's a foreign concept to you, so we didn't expect you to get it right.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

This takes care of the nonsense those people want the jobs. They don't want the terminal
they don't want what is about to be forced on them by Alberta and Ottawa.
I don't have a problem in some respects except the company running the project is not
respected and there is little confidence in their track record.
The people of the area don't want it, the natives don't want it and many of those who live in
this province don't want it for environmental reasons. The majority of people I believe are
against the project but Alberta and Ottawa want to dictate a different agenda to the people
of BC
This thing is a long way from over.

What exactly is their track record? Best in the world, middle or worst?

This was nothing but a waste of time and money.
 
JLM
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

What exactly is their track record? Best in the world, middle or worst?

This was nothing but a waste of time and money.


Why would people who don't want to work even be in Kitimat?
 
BruSan
+2
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Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

This takes care of the nonsense those people want the jobs. They don't want the terminal
they don't want what is about to be forced on them by Alberta and Ottawa.
I don't have a problem in some respects except the company running the project is not
respected and there is little confidence in their track record.
The people of the area don't want it, the natives don't want it and many of those who live in
this province don't want it for environmental reasons. The majority of people I believe are
against the project but Alberta and Ottawa want to dictate a different agenda to the people
of BC
This thing is a long way from over.

That's just the point with this whole farce: at least half of the parties are living off government assistance of the first order. Take the natives for instance; they scream about the environment while net fishing rivers and streams AND living off of government handouts. It's allright with them if mister taxpayer keeps throwing money their way but god forbid the ROC should ever require some co-operation from them on making a buck or two off our natural resources. They have no problem screwing with the environment themselves with all of their snowmobiles and ATV's and 150 HP outboards on their big Ranger bassboats that need fuel up the ying-yang but it's all about their "culture". Cripes!

If it's TransCanada they object to and that have their knickers in a twist, then send that message instead of a 'no-way-jose' to the whole idea of getting crude stocks to the west coast. The rest of Canada should just stand by and let those stupid nimbies dictate to the rest of us about the marketing of our resources in an efficient manner? Are any fuel subsidies at the rest of our expense going to sustain them all having their little runabouts in the Kitimat harbour? Maybe $7 per. gal. to truck the chit up there would wake them the hell up.

Send the pipe east and fugg 'em while we force the feds to cut all parties saying no off the freak'n gravy train public teat.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Why would people who don't want to work even be in Kitimat?

They like their easy lives off somebody else's work and money?

125 years ago there were morons trying to stop the building of the CPR.

Nothing has changed.
 
JLM
#25
To my na´ve, limited ability to think, I think one of the problems with plebescites and referenda are the people who know little about the issue tend to vote "no" rather than "stick their necks out".
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

To my na´ve, limited ability to think, I think one of the problems with plebescites and referenda are the people who know little about the issue tend to vote "no" rather than "stick their necks out".

It's all superficial. It's not a matter of if this gets built but when it starts being built. Ultimately, there are no options but go ahead.
 
Durry
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Don't worry about it, we all know it's a foreign concept to you, so we didn't expect you to get it right.

It's pretty obvious that being a loser is not a foreign concept to you, I guess being a loser in your case is innate.
 
Nick Danger
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

To my na´ve, limited ability to think, I think one of the problems with plebescites and referenda are the people who know little about the issue tend to vote "no" rather than "stick their necks out".

You've got a good point there. In these sorts of conflicts it does seem like the naysayers are more eager to have their voices heard than the "let's build it" crowd.
Let's be realistic here, there is a huge amount of money at stake here, the government will do whatever they can to see that money (read: oil) flow, and there will be an environmental trade off to some degree. The challenge is keeping a sufficiently diligent regulatory structure in place to ensure that safety and environmental responsibility are kept in the forefront, and that that structure is given the legal "teeth" for proper enforcement. Business is business and the low-bidder mindset will prevail unless forced to do otherwise.
 
JLM
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

It's all superficial. It's not a matter of if this gets built but when it starts being built. Ultimately, there are no options but go ahead.


I don't understand the voting in Kitimat. It is (for all intents and purposes) a "one horse town" located 38 miles from the next nearest town that is also struggling. From what little I know Kitimat's population is mainly young people, who you would think would want some employment more or less guaranteed! Somebody is bullsh*tting somebody!
 
PoliticalNick
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

I don't understand the voting in Kitimat. It is (for all intents and purposes) a "one horse town" located 38 miles from the next nearest town that is also struggling. From what little I know Kitimat's population is mainly young people, who you would think would want some employment more or less guaranteed! Somebody is bullsh*tting somebody!

It was a dog & pony show to give hose people the illusion of having some input before common sense moves ahead with the pipeline and loading facility. We have been ramping up here for 2 years now to be ready to supply the gas for SE Asia. There is no way 8500 people (that's the entire population, not just those who voted no) are going to stand in the way of a 20 billion dollar project that is estimated to generate $1 trillion in revenue and spinoffs in the next 25 years. My advice to those living in Kitimat who don't want to see the pipeline and facility....move now before construction starts.
 

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