Ex-leader of Westboro Baptist reportedly on death bed


SLM
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Ex-leader of Westboro Baptist reportedly on death bed


QMI Agency

Mar 17, 2014
, Last Updated: 8:51 AM ET
The former leader of the anti-gay Westboro Baptist Church is reportedly on his death bed, his estranged son says.
Nate Phelps, who lives in Calgary, wrote his father, Fred Phelps Sr., “is now on the edge of death” in a Facebook post Saturday.
He added he has not been allowed to see his dying father.
“I feel sad for all the hurt he's caused so many. I feel sad for those who will lose the grandfather and father they loved. And I'm bitterly angry that my family is blocking the family members who left from seeing him, and saying their good-byes,” Nate Phelps wrote.
“I'm not sure how I feel about this. Terribly ironic that his devotion to his god ends this way. Destroyed by the monster he made.”
On its website, the church said Fred Phelps “has health issues, but the idea that someone would suggest that he is near death, is not only highly speculative, but foolish considering that all such matters are the sole prerogative of God.”
The church has gained notoriety for picketing funerals of soldiers killed in Afghanistan and Iraq with signs that read, Thank God For Dead Soldiers, Fag Troops, God Blew Up The Troops, and America Is Doomed.
Phelps Sr., 84, is a former attorney who was disbarred in 1979. He was excommunicated from the church last August, his son says.

Ex-leader of Westboro Baptist reportedly on death bed
 
El Barto
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Great time to protest a funeral no?
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by El BartoView Post

Great time to protest a funeral no?

Here's hoping the entire congregation is extremely disturbed and upset by the protests too.
 
EagleSmack
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I wonder if there will be protests.
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

I wonder if there will be protests.

I'm think that venue's been sold out for quite some time. Probably only scalper's tickets available at this point, lol.
 
coldstream
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As far as i am aware, the ENTIRE Westboro Baptist Church was composed of one family, descendants of its founder Fred Phelps. Nobody else joined to do placard carrying demonstrations at military funerals. 'nuff said.
 
BornRuff
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

I wonder if there will be protests.

"God Hates Phelps! God Hates Phelps!"
 
WLDB
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Oh well. Hopefully the whole WBC thing will collapse in on itself after he goes.
 
lone wolf
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Tell Gawd all yer problems - if that's the direction you head
 
darkbeaver
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I sure the gates will be slammed in his face. He's coming back as a soldier.
 
lone wolf
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

I sure the gates will be slammed in his face. He's coming back as a soldier.

A gay one, at that...
 
darkbeaver
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Exactly. That's how it works. Maybe he should be female as well.
 
Nuggler
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He has the washed out look of a serious drinker. Probably not though.
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by NugglerView Post

He has the washed out look of a serious drinker. Probably not though.

Embracing hate probably has a similar effect. Sure does stain the soul, I can imagine it doesn't really do much for the shell either.
 
lone wolf
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

I wonder if there will be protests.

Really, I hope not ... unless it's of the wall of backs variety. Those type of "people" aren't deserving of the attention they demand.

Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

Embracing hate probably has a similar effect. Sure does stain the soul, I can imagine it doesn't really do much for the shell either.

Those eyes are scary. Remind me of my father-in-law's. The day he died, I felt the weight of the world lifted off my shoulders. I had nobody to hate any more.
 
Locutus
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No word yet. Must have moved him to his regular bed for the night.
 
shadowshiv
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Quote: Originally Posted by El BartoView Post

Great time to protest a funeral no?

To be honest, no. Then the people protesting the funeral would be no better than the vile individuals that protested the other funerals. If people really wanted to get their ire up they should just ignore his funeral (whenever that ends up being) as being one of a person that truly was insignificant.
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by shadowshivView Post

To be honest, no. Then the people protesting the funeral would be no better than the vile individuals that protested the other funerals. If people really wanted to get their ire up they should just ignore his funeral (whenever that ends up being) as being one of a person that truly was insignificant.

Oh sure, take the high road.
 
El Barto
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Quote: Originally Posted by shadowshivView Post

To be honest, no. Then the people protesting the funeral would be no better than the vile individuals that protested the other funerals. If people really wanted to get their ire up they should just ignore his funeral (whenever that ends up being) as being one of a person that truly was insignificant.

In this case I don't agree , they deserve the same respect they gave . Let them whine about the protest , show them how it feels to have the shoe on the other foot because people like this are unsympathetic and should be served as such , maybe they would understand a bit.

Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

Oh sure, take the high road.

In any other case I would agree with SS , not this time
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by El BartoView Post

In this case I don't agree , they deserve the same respect they gave . Let them whine about the protest , show them how it feels to have the shoe on the other foot because people like this are unsympathetic and should be served as such , maybe they would understand a bit.


In any other case I would agree with SS , not this time

He is right in the sense that you never do yourself any favours by lowering your standards. And in all honesty, if they were capable of empathizing and sympathizing in the first place, they wouldn't do what they do at all. You can have the biggest, loudest protest imaginable but they still wouldn't understand the significance.

But it is gloriously fun and satisfying to think about it.
 
El Barto
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Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

He is right in the sense that you never do yourself any favours by lowering your standards. And in all honesty, if they were capable of empathizing and sympathizing in the first place, they wouldn't do what they do at all. You can have the biggest, loudest protest imaginable but they still wouldn't understand the significance.

But it is gloriously fun and satisfying to think about it.

No there is no fun to be had , that IMO would really fall to their level.
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by El BartoView Post

No there is no fun to be had , that IMO would really fall to their level.

I meant glee at the thought of revenge, not actual joy in really doing it.
 
El Barto
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Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

I meant glee at the thought of revenge, not actual joy in really doing it.

Still , not in this case for me.
 
spaminator
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‘Poison pastor’ Fred Phelps near death but forgiveness eludes his Calgarian son



By Michael Platt ,Calgary Sun

First posted: Monday, March 17, 2014 09:53 PM EDT | Updated: Monday, March 17, 2014 11:01 PM EDT
He’s apparently suffering from some form of dementia, slipping in and out of lucidity from what’s expected to be his death bed.
Of course, many will say the poisonous pastor who preached “God Hates Fags” from the sidelines of funerals never had a healthy mind to begin with — but his estranged son, living in Calgary, confirms Fred Phelps is in grave condition.
“One of my nieces who was in there and wrote down all the details told me he is in and out of lucidity, and I understand he was in serious stress a couple of days before that with his breathing,” said Nathan Phelps.
“I wouldn’t know what to say beyond that — people can go both ways on something like this, and he may end up living for several more months. But the evidence is, he’s seriously ill.”
The 84-year-old’s misery will be cause for celebration around the world — and for that, Pastor Fred can only blame himself.
Under the guise of Christianity, Phelps led his flock at Westboro Baptist Church down a path of judgement and loathing, convincing the Topeka, Kansas congregation to picket prominent funerals, starting with the 1998 service for gay hate-crime victim Matthew Shepard.
Phelps claimed he was only channelling God’s hate for homosexuals in his sermons, but increasingly, the church became an attention-seeking vessel for the Phelps clan — and pickets at the funerals of soldiers, school-shooting victims and rock stars brought the pastor plenty of attention.
And now the preacher’s days of hate appear to be over — leaving his son in Calgary to ponder a past filled with abuse and anger.
“I don’t know if I forgive him. This whole question of forgiveness baffles me,” said Nathan.
“For my own self, I am in a good place, but from that place I still see my father as an unapproachable person, and I don’t trust him.
“To talk in terms of forgiveness, I guess that’s an emotional or mental position that’s no longer destructive, and I think I’m there. I’m okay now, but then, I don’t want anything to do with him. So maybe I haven’t forgiven him.”
Those mixed emotions have followed Nathan from a midnight escape from the cult-like congregation at the age of 18, to leading Calgary’s Centre for Inquiry, a strictly secular organization dedicated to reason and science.
Calling his father’s congregation “the most hated church and family in America”, Nathan has often spoken publicly on his past — with one such public lecture planned for Thursday evening at Mount Royal University.
Booked months ago by The Secular Humanists, a student group at the university, Nathan says he will nonetheless discuss breaking developments on his father’s health and reported excommunication by the church he led for so long — a coup that surprises even his estranged son.
“There’s clearly some sort of power struggle going on,” said Nathan, who was told his father was voted out following a disagreement last summer.
Having been kicked out of the church where he lived for most of his life, Nathan says his despondent father was moved to a home, but amid failing health and a refusal to eat, the once-powerful pastor is now ailing at a Topeka hospice.
“I’m not sure how I feel about this. Terribly ironic that his devotion to his god ends this way. Destroyed by the monster he made,” wrote Nathan on his Facebook page last Saturday.
“I feel sad for all the hurt he’s caused so many. I feel sad for those who will lose the grandfather and father they loved.”
The church itself is keeping coy on the pastor’s position and health, saying Fred Phelps is suffering typical age-related health issues, while refusing to discuss their founder’s current standing in the congregation.
But Nathan says it’s clear his father’s hate-filled life is nearing its end.
He understands many will want to protest the pastor’s funeral as retribution and counter-protest, but he says the best way to show Fred Phelps was wrong is to let him go peacefully.
“I’m not going to judge anybody if they choose to do so, but I certainly wouldn’t do it,” said Nathan.
“Let them mourn in peace — how could I say otherwise, when every time the church protested a funeral, I said it was wrong.”
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by spaminatorView Post

“One of my nieces who was in there and wrote down all the details told me he is in and out of lucidity,

And this is different from how he's been for 80-odd years how exactly?
 
El Barto
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Bravo Nathan
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Delta Foxtrot
 
El Barto
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Delta Foxtrot

That is code for?
 
Tecumsehsbones
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I was authenticating. According to my codewheel, today's response for Bravo Nathan is Delta Foxtrot. Did I get it wrong?

Back on track, I completely support Fred and the Westboroites, and condemn any attempts to stifle their free speech and assembly. As long as they're on public land, they're free to say what they will.

And I'm happy he's about to fall off his perch.
 
DaSleeper
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Real soldiers don't talk like that unless talking with another soldier.......
 

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