Royal Navy scrambles destroyer to challenge Russian warship off UK coast


Blackleaf
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Just days before Christmas, a fully armed Royal Navy warship was scrambled to challenge a missile-carrying Russian vessel in the waters off Britain.

In a calculated test of Britain’s reduced naval capacity in the North Sea, the Russian warship came within 30 miles of the coast.

It was detected nearing the Moray Firth off the north east coast of Scotland, but the only ship the Royal Navy had available to respond after Ministry of Defence cuts was in Portsmouth 600 miles away, resulting in a delay of 24 hours until it was in position.


The threatening approach towards Britain’s territorial waters triggered a top-secret Navy and Air Force operation co-ordinated by the military top brass at the Permanent Joint Headquarters (PJHQ) bunker at Northwood, just outside London.


RAF reconnaissance aircraft tracked the progress of the Russian warship as it neared north-east Scotland, and the tension heightened when aerial photographs revealed the ship was carrying a full payload of guided missiles.


Commanders at PJHQ decided to send the new Type 45 destroyer HMS Defender, which is Britain’s immediate-response ship during a national security crisis, to the Moray Firth to try and blow the Russian warship out of the water if necessary. Eventually, Defender chased the Russian ship back to the Baltic.


The Type 45s are the world's most powerful air defence destroyers.

The Russian ship waited in the Moray Forth, a stretch of water that flows into Loch Ness, for Defender to arrive, as if her captain were recording the Navy’s response times.


At the time, Defender was in dock at Portsmouth. Her crew were forced to make the 600-mile journey around the coastline, because budget cutbacks mean there are no maritime patrol vessels sailing off Scotland.

Last night, Russian expert Jonathan Eyal, from the military think-tank the Royal United Services Institute, said Russia had intended to intimidate Britain.

‘The Russians may also be inspecting nuclear installations in Scotland, with a view towards the independence referendum. Certainly the Russians would see the country as more vulnerable if it were no longer part of Britain', he said.



Battle stations! Navy scrambles destroyer to challenge Russian warship off British coast (but it takes 24 hours to make 600-mile journey from Portsmouth base - was Putin testing our response time?)


Russian vessel detected 30 miles away from Scotland last night

Only ship available to respond was on south coast of England

Tensions heightened when aerial photos showed ship full of missiles


By Mark Nicol
5 January 2014
Daily Mail


A Russian cruiser came within 30 miles of the British coast but the Royal Navy only had one ship to respond (file image)


A fully armed Royal Navy warship was scrambled to challenge a missile-carrying Russian vessel in the waters off Britain just days before Christmas, defence sources revealed last night.


In a calculated test of Britain’s reduced naval capacity in the North Sea, the Russian warship came within 30 miles of the coast.


It was detected nearing Scotland, but the only ship the Royal Navy had available to respond after Ministry of Defence cuts was in Portsmouth, resulting in a delay of 24 hours until it was in position.


The threatening approach towards Britain’s territorial waters triggered a top-secret Navy and Air Force operation co-ordinated by the military top brass at the Permanent Joint Headquarters (PJHQ) bunker at Northwood, just outside London.



Top secret: The threatening approach towards Britain’s territorial waters triggered a top-secret Navy and Air Force operation co-ordinated by the military top brass at the Permanent Joint Headquarters (PJHQ) bunker at Northwood. Situated on the far north western edge of London, in the leafy suburb of Northwood, in the London Borough of Hillingdon, this nuclear-attack-proof concrete bunker is 100ft underground and contains a secret operations room which controls the Royal Navy submarines that carry Britain's nuclear deterrent. Each of Britain's 220 nuclear missiles has a range of 7,000 miles and can deliver TWELVE warheads, each of which is eight times more powerful than the bomb used at Hiroshima.

RAF reconnaissance aircraft tracked the progress of the Russian warship as it neared north-east Scotland, and the tension heightened when aerial photographs revealed the ship was carrying a full payload of guided missiles.


Commanders at PJHQ decided to send the new Type 45 destroyer HMS Defender, which is Britain’s immediate-response ship during a national security crisis.


The Russian ship waited in the Moray Forth, a stretch of water that flows into Loch Ness, for Defender to arrive, as if her captain were recording the Navy’s response times.

At the time, Defender was in dock at Portsmouth. Her crew were forced to make the 600-mile journey around the coastline, because budget cutbacks mean there are no maritime patrol vessels sailing off Scotland.

A defence source said: ‘This was no exercise – the Russian ship was behaving very aggressively in a stretch of water bordering Britain’s territorial waters.


‘They were watched very closely by the RAF and it was agreed that HMS Defender should block the Russians’ passage.


Firepower: A tense stand-off ensued when HMS Defender reached the Moray Firth as crews tried to establish intentions. HMS Defender, one of the Royal Navy's new Type 45 destroyers, the world's most powerful air defence destroyers, is Britain’s immediate-response ship during a national security crisis.

‘Defender was fully equipped with Sea Viper surface-to-air missiles and guns capable of firing 40kg shells as far as 18 miles. Her captain and crew knew this was the real deal and were prepared to engage.’


A tense stand-off ensued when Defender reached the Moray Firth. While the MoD last night declined to explain the specific international protocols adhered to at such a delicate moment, The Mail on Sunday understands the crews exchanged radio messages in an attempt to establish each other’s intentions.

No shots were fired but Defender’s 190-strong crew remained at battle stations throughout the confrontation.


The British crew then watched as the Russian ship retreated. They followed it north to the Baltic Sea, where a Russian task force was on legitimate manoeuvres. Defender then sailed back to Scotland, docking in Glasgow on Friday.


Last night, Russian expert Jonathan Eyal, from the military think-tank the Royal United Services Institute, said Russia had intended to intimidate Britain.



HMS Defender was to make the 600-mile journey around the coastline from the south of Britain to the far north of Britain because defence budget cutbacks mean there are no Royal Navy maritime patrol vessels sailing off Scotland.

He added: ‘The Russian fleet, which is growing in strength and expanding its sphere of influence, wanted to show a presence in the North Sea and sail as close as possible to the national sea boundary.


‘The Russians knew exactly what they were doing. They were saying, “We are back in business in the North Sea and we are powerful.”


‘They knew how far they could sail before they would be required to withdraw.


‘The Russians may also be inspecting nuclear installations in Scotland, with a view towards the independence referendum. Certainly the Russians would see the country as more vulnerable if it were no longer part of Britain.


‘The approach was part of a pattern of behaviour, and the action is more threatening when considered in this context.


‘Last year Russian military jets approached Swedish airspace and only withdrew when the Swedes scrambled their aircraft.’


After the confrontation between Defender and the Russian ship, which is believed to have begun on December 20, the Russian military news agency Interfax-AVN released a statement claiming that the vessel was sheltering in the Moray Firth because of adverse weather conditions.


This is the second such incident in two years. In December 2011, the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov, anti-submarine ship Admiral Chabanenko and escort ship Yaroslav Mudry sailed close to Scotland before being challenged by the Royal Navy.


Defender is the fifth of the Navy’s six state-of-the-art Type 45 destroyers – she was built in Glasgow, which is one of her two affiliated cities. The other is Exeter.


The MoD refused to comment last night for operational reasons.



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Last edited by Blackleaf; Jan 5th, 2014 at 01:01 PM..
 
Spade
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The Russians Are Coming - YouTube

 
taxslave
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So where is the Scottish navy? If they want to be a separate country one would think they would be getting an armed forces together.
 
damngrumpy
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Surely the navy has not diminished itself to take all that time to respond to a lone ship
Putin likely didn't know anything about it either its all part of the military game.
Some people think of Russia as a great Communist threat and the truth is they are
no longer a communist nation. Russia is becoming a religious threat actually. The
Russian Orthodox Church with its extreme right wing conservative agenda is taking
a toe hold on the country with the blessing of Putin yes that he does know about.
 
gerryh
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Really? Only one ship available for home defense? How focking stupid is that?
 
taxslave
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Really? Only one ship available for home defense? How focking stupid is that?

Yet according to BL Britain has the greatest navy in the world. Along with being the only nation with intergalactic ships.
 
Blackleaf
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Really? Only one ship available for home defense? How focking stupid is that?



If the Left wing government which ruled us for 13 years hadn't spent all the money and left Britain in debt, then Britain wouldn't now be having to make necessary cuts - including those to the defence budget, which is now shrinking the Armed Forces. You can only have what you can afford.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

If the Left wing government which ruled us for 13 years hadn't spent all the money and left Britain in debt, then Britain wouldn't now be having to make necessary cuts - including those to the defence budget, which is now shrinking the Armed Forces. You can only have what you can afford.


Where the hell is the rest of your navy? It's absolute stupidity to have only one ship held back for home defense.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Where the hell is the rest of your navy? It's absolute stupidity to have only one ship held back for home defense.

Do you think Britain's naval commanders are so stupid as to leave Britain with one ship which to defend it at that moment in time if there were other ships around to do that as well?
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

Do you think Britain's naval commanders are so stupid as to leave Britain with one which to defend it at that moment in time if there were other ships around to do that as well?


again, where the hell was the rest of your navy.
 
Blackleaf
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

again, where the hell was the rest of your navy.



There are many other ships defending Britain, but the Defender was the only one available to be scrambled at that time.


As the article mentions, due to defence cuts there are now no Royal Navy maritime patrol vessels sailing off Scotland.


And that's why experts think the Russians sent the ship there, to test the weakened presence of the Royal Navy in the North Sea.

 
gerryh
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

There are many other ships defending Britain, but the Defender was the only one available to be scrambled at that time.


As the article mentions, due to defence cuts there are now no Royal Navy maritime patrol vessels sailing off Scotland.


And that's why experts think the Russians sent the ship there, to test the weakened presence of the Royal Navy in the North Sea.


Obviously, the Royal Navy is too small to be having her ships gallivant all around the rest of the world if she can't react and protect herself against one Russian warship in a timely manner.
 
Blackleaf
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

So where is the Scottish navy? If they want to be a separate country one would think they would be getting an armed forces together.


What would happen if they built warships for the Royal Scottish Navy, recruited soldiers to the new Scottish Army, and bought new planes for the new Royal Scottish Air Force (RSAF) only for it to be the case that the Scots vote against independence, which is the most likely outcome at the moment.


They'll look a bit stupid then.

Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Obviously, the Royal Navy is too small to be having her ships gallivant all around the rest of the world if she can't react and protect herself against one Russian warship in a timely manner.


So where are all the Royal Navy warships based at the moment? You seem like an expert.
 
gerryh
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#14
Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

They'll look a bit stupid then.


They'll fit right in with the rest of the english.

Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post




So where are all the Royal Navy warships based at the moment? You seem like an expert.



Since you can't seem to keep track of your own navy.

Operational Deployments | Royal Navy
 
Machjo
+1
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Yet according to BL Britain has the greatest navy in the world. Along with being the only nation with intergalactic ships.

And they almost have an intergalactic debt to go along with it.
 
Blackleaf
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

They'll fit right in with the rest of the english.





Since you can't seem to keep track of your own navy.

Operational Deployments | Royal Navy


It's not my job to know where all our warships are. I used to serve in the RN, but I'm a civilian now.
 
gerryh
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

It's not my job to know where all our warships are. I used to serve in the RN, but I'm a civilian now.


Doesn't surprise me.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

again, where the hell was the rest of your navy.

Off with the mighty three-decker, HMS Insufferable, defending the 19th century.
 
Blackleaf
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Doesn't surprise me.





Do Canadian civilians know what their one or two navy ships are doing at all times?
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

Do Canadian civilians know what their one or two navy ships are doing at all times?

No; we keep our focus on the national debt, not on how many ships we have.
 
BaalsTears
+1 / -1
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The British people prefer the dole to the Royal Navy. This incident was the foreseeable consequence of Britain's actions.
 
Blackleaf
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

No; we keep our focus on the national debt, not on how many ships we have.

That's why you have to rely on the United States to defend you.

It's no good having a good national debt and just three warships when hostile ships enter your waters.
 
Machjo
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

That's why you have to rely on the United States to defend you.

It's no good having a good national debt and just three warships when hostile ships enter your waters.

Canada's been invaded how many times?
 
Spade
#24

Richard Sheldon - HMS Pinafore - When I was a lad - YouTube

 
MHz
+1
#25
Might as well name them all HMS Hood.

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MOSCOW, January 3 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s Navy is expected to receive 40 new warships and auxiliary vessels in 2014, a high-ranking official said Friday.
In addition to surface ships of various classes, the navy will also commission the third Borey-class nuclear powered ballistic missile submarine, the Vladimir Monomakh, and a Varshavyanka-class diesel electric submarine, Rear Admiral Viktor Bursuk, a deputy commander of the Russian navy, said.
Bursuk, who oversees weapons procurement for the navy, said that Russia will continue the repair and overhaul of the Admiral Nakhimov nuclear-powered missile cruiser and three nuclear-powered attack submarines this year.


Russia to Test 70 New Rockets and Missiles in 2014 | Defense | RIA Novosti

MOSCOW, January 3 (RIA Novosti) – The Russian military plans to test around 70 types of rocket and missile weaponry at a major testing site this year, a Defense Ministry spokesman has said.
The testing program at the Kapustin Yar range in southern Russia will include about 300 launches of rockets, missiles, and aerial drones as part of more than 180 R&D projects, said Colonel Igor Yegorov.
 
Machjo
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There's no point wasting money on a military larger than what is actually needed for national defence. No need to prepare for a Mars invasion.
 
MHz
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Canada's been invaded how many times?

Well there was the British and the French inspired wars and the American (European really) money masters so the real question is when has Canada ever repelled any invasion?

Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

There's no point wasting money on a military larger than what is actually needed for national defence. No need to prepare for a Mars invasion.

All those new weapons are for NATO wars overseas, it has nothing to do with defence.
 
Blackleaf
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Canada's been invaded how many times?


Britain hasn't been invaded since 1066, but this UNEXPECTED incident just before Christmas shows that the unexpected can happen at any moment and that a strong navy is necessary.

What would Canada do now if several heavily armed Russian warships unexpectedly entered Canadian waters, just as they have done in British waters? No amount of shouting at the Russkies that you have a perfect, world-beating economy and a complete lack of national debt (no matter how much bull**** that is) is hardly going to scare the Russkies off.

History has proven many times that the game of "We don't need a strong military because we aren't under threat at all" is a very dangerous game to play.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

That's why you have to rely on the United States to defend you.

Apparently you do as well.

Looks like your mighty navy is all of one functional vessel and the rest are rust buckets in dry dock.
 
Spade
+1
#30
We are still suffering from Dutch Elm Disease, Pine Beetles, and Swine Flu - three invasions for sure!
 
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