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Vivien Suttorp, Alberta’s South Zone medical officer of health, said Thursday that the Lethbridge area has some of the lowest immunization rates in the province, less than 60 per cent, well off the stated goal of 98 per cent for Albertans. That has health workers targeting communities near Lethbridge and also expanding north and east to Brooks and Medicine Hat, where immunization clinics will soon be established.


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Low immunization rate leads to measles outbreak in Alberta - The Globe and Mail

 

[darkbeaver]

So what would you prefer, measles or autism. People all over the world are rightfully afraid of the quack vaccines.

 

[captain morgan]

This is Harper's home province and I know he's behind this - I just know it.

B*stard

 

[Dexter Sinister]

There's no evidence vaccines cause autism Beave, but considering what else you believe and the kind of evidence there is for it I'm not surprised that you think otherwise.

 

[cj44]

There's no evidence vaccines cause autism Beave, but considering what else you believe and the kind of evidence there is for it I'm not surprised that you think otherwise.

Vaccines can and occassionaly do cause brain encephalopathies. This information can be easily found on most research/teaching hospital libraries. They use the technical term "encephalopathy" and are researching why these encephalopathies effect some children and not others. Some of the symptoms listed for these encephalopathies are identical to autism presentations. I am NOT saying vaccines cause autism, but it is well documented that immunizations can cause problems by crossing the blood/brain barrier. Don't argue with me on this. Go to the research libraries to read about it. Some of the papers must be purchased in order to gain access, but read the preview & that should give you enough information to see that immunizations can have a very negative effect on a small percentage of the population.

So what would you prefer, measles or autism. People all over the world are rightfully afraid of the quack vaccines.

My brother (as well as I) got the measles vaccine when we were kids. Within a year of getting the vaccine, my brother got Measles. Was he really sick? Yes. Did he die? No. I did not get the measles.

My son has autism. Do I believe the vaccines caused the autism? Inconclusive. I do not know. I do know he was not born with autism or I should more accurately say no autistic symptoms were present for the first 18 months of his life.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Don't argue with me on this.

With that attitude, I'm not even going to talk to you.

 

[cj44]

With that attitude, I'm not even going to talk to you.

Take it easy. Since when did Mr. Sinister become so sensitive. You wan't to argue a point - go ahead.

 

[ShintoMale]

recent medical research shows autism is genetic the link between vaccines and autism is being debunked that doctor who did the fraud research lost his medical license stop living your life based on crackpot scamming websites.



Genetics and the myth of vaccine encephalopathy


Asif Doja, MD MEd FRCPC

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2603512/

 

[cj44]

recent medical research shows autism is genetic the link between vaccines and autism is being debunked that doctor who did the fraud research lost his medical license stop living your life based on crackpot scamming websites.



Genetics and the myth of vaccine encephalopathy


Asif Doja, MD MEd FRCPC

Genetics and the myth of vaccine encephalopathy

Well, I am not going to get into a duel. Yes, the one doc - I think he is from England - was debunked. I am not speaking of his research. Check your neurology journals doc. You cannot deny research is being done regarding vaccines and brain encephalopathies. It is documented and being researched. Certainly you wouldn't deny seizures can and do occur after immunization in a very small percentage of the population. This is not to say it is autism. The researchers are looking for genetic predisposition. It isn't either black or white. You are a doc - you should know there is alot of gray in between the black and white.

Vaccines Good. Polio Bad. Can we agree on that at least?

And I avoid crackpot websites. Unless you consider John's Hopkins, Children's Research Hospital, and tell me why is there a National Vaccine Compensation Program.

Here is just a sample from the official journal of American Pediatrics: (Are they crackpots too?)
Methods. The medical records of children who met the inclusion criteria of receiving the first dose of these vaccines between 1970 and 1993 and who developed such an encephalopathy with no determined cause within 15 days were identified and analyzed.

Results. A total of 48 children, ages 10 to 49 months, met the inclusion criteria after receiving measles vaccine, alone or in combination. Eight children died, and the remainder had mental regression and retardation, chronic seizures, motor and sensory deficits, and movement disorders. The onset of neurologic signs or symptoms occurred with a nonrandom, statistically significant distribution of cases on days 8 and 9. No cases were identified after the administration of monovalent mumps or rubella vaccine.

Conclusions. This clustering suggests that a causal relationship between measles vaccine and encephalopathy may exist as a rare complication of measles immunization.

 

[ShintoMale]

I don't check nor read crackpots calling themselves vaccine compensation programs. john Hopkins and others used peer reviewed research unlike the crackpots you get health advice from


Autism is genetic the facts are there deal with it


What causes autism?


Scientists aren’t certain about what causes ASD, but it’s likely that both genetics and environment play a role. Researchers have identified a number of genes associated with the disorder. Studies of people with ASD have found irregularities in several regions of the brain. Other studies suggest that people with ASD have abnormal levels of serotonin or other neurotransmitters in the brain. These abnormalities suggest that ASD could result from the disruption of normal brain development early in fetal development caused by defects in genes that control brain growth and that regulate how brain cells communicate with each other, possibly due to the influence of environmental factors on gene function. While these findings are intriguing, they are preliminary and require further study. The theory that parental practices are responsible for ASD has long been disproved.
What role does inheritance play?


Twin and family studies strongly suggest that some people have a genetic predisposition to autism. Identical twin studies show that if one twin is affected, there is up to a 90 percent chance the other twin will be affected. There are a number of studies in progress to determine the specific genetic factors associated with the development of ASD. In families with one child with ASD, the risk of having a second child with the disorder is approximately 5 percent, or one in 20. This is greater than the risk for the general population. Researchers are looking for clues about which genes contribute to this increased susceptibility. In some cases, parents and other relatives of a child with ASD show mild impairments in social and communicative skills or engage in repetitive behaviors. Evidence also suggests that some emotional disorders, such as bipolar disorder, occur more frequently than average in the families of people with ASD.


Autism Fact Sheet: National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS)


Large-Scale Autism Study Reveals Disorder's Genetic Complexity

Large-Scale Autism Study Reveals Disorder's Genetic Complexity: Scientific American

 

[relic]

Do you also believe that fluoridation of water is a commie plot ? Jenny McCarthy may have a good rack,but she's crazy as Toms dog.

 

[cj44]

I don't check nor read crackpots calling themselves vaccine compensation programs. john Hopkins and others used peer reviewed research unlike the crackpots you get health advice from


Autism is genetic the facts are there deal with it


What causes autism?


Scientists aren’t certain about what causes ASD, but it’s likely that both genetics and environment play a role. Researchers have identified a number of genes associated with the disorder. Studies of people with ASD have found irregularities in several regions of the brain. Other studies suggest that people with ASD have abnormal levels of serotonin or other neurotransmitters in the brain. These abnormalities suggest that ASD could result from the disruption of normal brain development early in fetal development caused by defects in genes that control brain growth and that regulate how brain cells communicate with each other, possibly due to the influence of environmental factors on gene function. While these findings are intriguing, they are preliminary and require further study. The theory that parental practices are responsible for ASD has long been disproved.
What role does inheritance play?


Twin and family studies strongly suggest that some people have a genetic predisposition to autism. Identical twin studies show that if one twin is affected, there is up to a 90 percent chance the other twin will be affected. There are a number of studies in progress to determine the specific genetic factors associated with the development of ASD. In families with one child with ASD, the risk of having a second child with the disorder is approximately 5 percent, or one in 20. This is greater than the risk for the general population. Researchers are looking for clues about which genes contribute to this increased susceptibility. In some cases, parents and other relatives of a child with ASD show mild impairments in social and communicative skills or engage in repetitive behaviors. Evidence also suggests that some emotional disorders, such as bipolar disorder, occur more frequently than average in the families of people with ASD.


Autism Fact Sheet: National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS)


Large-Scale Autism Study Reveals Disorder's Genetic Complexity

Large-Scale Autism Study Reveals Disorder's Genetic Complexity: Scientific American

I get information FROM John Hopkins, my dear. I know you would like to believe I get all my information from JIM BOB'S AUTISM WEBSITE, but that is not the case. Oh, how the elite doctors squirm when us unedumicated dunces read the "peer reviewed research". Yes, I know you are dumbfounded that I am able to read or even know how to access this research. You might want to check your calendar. It's 2013 and information is there to be had. Also, keep in mind, I am not claiming that vaccines cause autism. So, settle down. I know you must prefer that I be a good little citizen and listen to what my government tells me because afterall they would never lie. Certainly when Obama said more than a dozen times, "If you like your healthcare plan, you will be able to keep it." He was telling the truth when he said that....Uh Oh... Wait a minute. Me thinks me and my fellow Americans have been hoodwinked. Yikes!

Do you also believe that fluoridation of water is a commie plot ? Jenny McCarthy may have a good rack,but she's crazy as Toms dog.

The commies are in my water pipes? Who is Tom's dog? Is my dog a commie? Know of any good communist flouridation websites? Maybe something like, "and you thought it was toothpaste.com"

 

[ShintoMale]

actually I live in Canada not the Ayn Rand states of america

 

[taxslave]

There's no evidence vaccines cause autism Beave, but considering what else you believe and the kind of evidence there is for it I'm not surprised that you think otherwise.

True but on the flip side those of us that are older(I hate being in that group) remember Thalidomide. While not a vaccine it was brought to us by the same people. Then there are the flu shots which do little except enrich drug companies Plus many other drugs that do more harm than good. People are right to be wary. Unfortunately the tin hatters can get misinformation out as easily as the experts can. As with most things it is a lot harder to disprove a negative than prove a positive.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Do you also believe that fluoridation of water is a commie plot ? Jenny McCarthy may have a good rack,but she's crazy as Toms dog.

Makes me think of the air force base commander in Dr. Strangelove with the purity of the body fluids.

 

[cj44]

actually I live in Canada not the Ayn Rand states of america

Ahh. We're not all that Ann Rand.

I give you some jazz, but I also give you a thumbs up on your post because it is information people need to know. Indeed, there are many crackpots promoting fraudulent information regarding autism.

As for me, I think it is genetic. I don't think anything "triggers" it. Of course, I have no control group to prove my theory. Nor should anyone be interested in my theory. Our son has autism. It is a horrible enslaving condition and I hope the docs soon find a cure not just a new "therapy".

My point about the encephalopathies is that they are documented. I don't think any doctor would say vaccines are 100% safe. They do give us the list of side effects when we get our kids vaccinated and they list "the very rare" side effects which include seizure activity & various impairment.

Makes me think of the air force base commander in Dr. Strangelove with the purity of the body fluids.

You can't fight in here. This is the War Room.

 

[Cliffy]

Do you also believe that fluoridation of water is a commie plot ? Jenny McCarthy may have a good rack,but she's crazy as Toms dog.

No, fluoridation in our water is a capitalist plot. It is toxic waste from aluminum smelting. It may or may not improve your teath, but nothing has been done to find what it does to the rest of your body.

I used fluoridated tooth paste and drank the water but I still lost all my teeth, so I don't give the crap much credit for what it is tooted for.

 

[Sal]

Just in case these immunizations work and they likely do (we don't yet know what else they do) I think everyone should be immunized against everything...then I don't have to put that crap in my body. I highly support it.

 

[wulfie68]

I have a 4 yr old boy. My wife has a degree and works with kids with autism. This is something my wife and I have researched a great deal.

We discussed the supposed link between autism and vaccines with a couple different physicians and the upshot is there is no medically proven link between them. There are some anecdotal and coincidental correlations, but nothing that has stood up enough to be published on by any respectable medical organization. CJ44, you are drawing a link between essentially allergic reactions with vaccines and brain injuries, which does happen but that is not the same as saying these brain injuries cause autistic behaviour.

All that aside, one pediatrician we talked summed up my feelings on the matter. He said essentially: "whats the worst choice? Your child developing autism or your child getting some common disease that the vaccines would have prevented? The odds are greater they'll get the disease."

 

[Sal]

I have a 4 yr old boy. My wife has a degree and works with kids with autism. This is something my wife and I have researched a great deal.

We discussed the supposed link between autism and vaccines with a couple different physicians and the upshot is there is no medically proven link between them. There are some anecdotal and coincidental correlations, but nothing that has stood up enough to be published on by any respectable medical organization. CJ44, you are drawing a link between essentially allergic reactions with vaccines and brain injuries, which does happen but that is not the same as saying these brain injuries cause autistic behaviour.

All that aside, one pediatrician we talked summed up my feelings on the matter. He said essentially: "whats the worst choice? Your child developing autism or your child getting some common disease that the vaccines would have prevented? The odds are greater they'll get the disease."

I too think your doctor is correct. We have to weigh the outcome, there are diseases we vaccinate against that would kill large numbers of the population regardless of their immune system if we do not keep it down. Others I am not convinced of.

None the less there are huge numbers of kids now with autism. It can not all just be familial. But then our food is modified, our water has chemicals, we are clothed in fabrics treated with chemicals...and we are a bag of chemicals...something is not mixing properly.