Neil Young calls Fort McMurray oilsands 'a wasteland'


B00Mer
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Neil Young calls Fort McMurray oilsands 'a wasteland'



Canadian rocker Neil Young had some harsh words for the oilsands in Fort McMurray, Alta., during an event in Washington, D.C.

"Fort McMurray looks like Hiroshima. Fort McMurray is a wasteland," said Young, 67, during a National Farmers Union conference.

"The Indians up there and the native peoples are dying. The fuels all over — the fumes everywhere — you can smell it when you get to town," he said.



"People are sick. People are dying of cancer because of this. All the First Nations people up there are threatened by this. Their food supply is wasted, their treaties are no good. They have the right to live on the land, like they always did, but there’s no land left that they can live on. All the animals are dying."

Young's comments are not sitting well with Fort McMurray Mayor Melissa Blake.

"They are so extreme that they may very well be discounted by people who genuinely care about the state of the environment," Blake said.

"The community's reaction is inevitably not happy, probably outraged, because it's such a gross misrepresentation," she added.

Chris Byrne, a DJ at Fort McMurray radio station Rock 97.9, said they were starting a "No Neil" day and promoting the #notawasteland hashtag on Twitter.

"We're going to ask our listeners, 'We're not going to play Neil Young all day today, should we make this a permanent thing?' If he doesn't like us, then we may not like him."

Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver said Tuesday that he was a fan of Young's music.

"But on this matter we disagree, because Keystone XL will displace heavy oil from Venezuela, which has the same or higher greenhouse gas emissions, with a stable and secure source of Canadian oil," the minister said a short statement issued through from his office via email.

Young is a noted environmental activist in addition to his long and storied music career. He talked on Monday about his Lincvolt project, a hybrid-engine modification of a 1959 Lincoln. In 1985 he founded Farm Aid, a benefit concert series to raise money for family farmers in the U.S.

The Keystone XL pipeline is being promoted in Washington by Prime Minister Stephen Harper as a means to get bitumen from the Alberta oilsands to refineries on the Gulf Coast. U.S. President Barack Obama has yet to approve the project, which faces opposition from environmentalists and communities along the pipeline route.

source: Neil Young calls Fort McMurray oilsands 'a wasteland' - Arts & Entertainment - CBC News
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00MerView Post

Neil Young calls Fort McMurray oilsands 'a wasteland'



Canadian rocker Neil Young had some harsh words for the oilsands in Fort McMurray, Alta., during an event in Washington, D.C.

"Fort McMurray looks like Hiroshima. Fort McMurray is a wasteland," said Young, 67, during a National Farmers Union conference.

"The Indians up there and the native peoples are dying. The fuels all over — the fumes everywhere — you can smell it when you get to town," he said.


"People are sick. People are dying of cancer because of this. All the First Nations people up there are threatened by this. Their food supply is wasted, their treaties are no good. They have the right to live on the land, like they always did, but there’s no land left that they can live on. All the animals are dying."

Young's comments are not sitting well with Fort McMurray Mayor Melissa Blake.

"They are so extreme that they may very well be discounted by people who genuinely care about the state of the environment," Blake said.

"The community's reaction is inevitably not happy, probably outraged, because it's such a gross misrepresentation," she added.

Chris Byrne, a DJ at Fort McMurray radio station Rock 97.9, said they were starting a "No Neil" day and promoting the #notawasteland hashtag on Twitter.

"We're going to ask our listeners, 'We're not going to play Neil Young all day today, should we make this a permanent thing?' If he doesn't like us, then we may not like him."

Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver said Tuesday that he was a fan of Young's music.

"But on this matter we disagree, because Keystone XL will displace heavy oil from Venezuela, which has the same or higher greenhouse gas emissions, with a stable and secure source of Canadian oil," the minister said a short statement issued through from his office via email.

Young is a noted environmental activist in addition to his long and storied music career. He talked on Monday about his Lincvolt project, a hybrid-engine modification of a 1959 Lincoln. In 1985 he founded Farm Aid, a benefit concert series to raise money for family farmers in the U.S.

The Keystone XL pipeline is being promoted in Washington by Prime Minister Stephen Harper as a means to get bitumen from the Alberta oilsands to refineries on the Gulf Coast. U.S. President Barack Obama has yet to approve the project, which faces opposition from environmentalists and communities along the pipeline route.

source: Neil Young calls Fort McMurray oilsands 'a wasteland' - Arts & Entertainment - CBC News

Maybe these celebrities should stick to things they know. -
 
Locutus
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>implying that neil young is relevant
 
captain morgan
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Seems like all the aging celebrities are making waves on this and other issues.

Gotta wonder if Neil is planning on releasing a new album in the near future... No doubt, all of the proceeds will go to saving Mother Gaia
 
Cliffy
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What did he say that was not true?

Beautiful Destruction - Alberta Tar Sands Aerial Photographs short version - YouTube

 
B00Mer
#6
Progress..
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

What did he say that was not true?


It's just as true as the community that you live in. Just because one place is 'prettier' than the other in terms what humanity deems acceptable means absolutely nothing

It's a fool's errand to believe that just because there is some form of organized construction that the 'environment' of Naksup isn't as much of a wasteland than is the oilsands.
 
Cliffy
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The Alberta Oil Tar Sands Canadian Prosperity - Global Nightmare - YouTube



Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

It's just as true as the community that you live in. Just because one place is 'prettier' than the other in terms what humanity deems acceptable means absolutely nothing

It's a fool's errand to believe that just because there is some form of organized construction that the 'environment' of Naksup isn't as much of a wasteland than is the oilsands.

You have obviously never been here.


www.nakusp.com/siteengine/act...48&AlbumPage=1 (external - login to view)
 
Tecumsehsbones
#9
Typical political argument in this the third millennium CE.

Is there environmental degradation in the oil sands? Of course there is. Only an imbecile would say otherwise.

The questions are what is the extend of the degradation, is it worth it for what y'all get out of the oil sands, and how can y'all alleviate part of the environmental degradation without pissing away the benefits.

But what questions are being asked? Well, none, in point of fact. Instead one side screams that oil-sand production will destroy the planet next Tuesday, and the other yells that oil-sand production does no harm at all. Then we can get down to what we really want to do, and that is attack "them."
 
WLDB
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Maybe these celebrities should stick to things they know. -

Well, it does look that way. I've seen it. A lot of people have. For or against it you cant really call the area attractive.

As for celebrities sticking to what they know, why should they? Most other people dont. Right or wrong everyone is entitled to an opinion - even an uninformed one. People can then disagree or agree. Plus if you ever listen to his music you'll notice a lot of it is political and has been since the 60s.

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

It's just as true as the community that you live in. Just because one place is 'prettier' than the other in terms what humanity deems acceptable means absolutely nothing

In most communities things are growing. Not exactly a barren wasteland.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post



You have obviously never been here.

www.nakusp.com/siteengine/act...48&AlbumPage=1 (external - login to view)

Physician; heal thyself





Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Typical political argument in this the third millennium CE.

Is there environmental degradation in the oil sands? Of course there is. Only an imbecile would say otherwise.

The questions are what is the extend of the degradation, is it worth it for what y'all get out of the oil sands, and how can y'all alleviate part of the environmental degradation without pissing away the benefits.

But what questions are being asked? Well, none, in point of fact. Instead one side screams that oil-sand production will destroy the planet next Tuesday, and the other yells that oil-sand production does no harm at all. Then we can get down to what we really want to do, and that is attack "them."

The elephant in the room here is that this situation has existed millenia before humanity ever walked the lands in/around the oilsands.

As one industry observer suggested, the Athabasca oilsands are among the biggest environmental disasters caused by Mother Gaia
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

The elephant in the room here is that this situation has existed millenia before humanity ever walked the lands in/around the oilsands.

As one industry observer suggested, the Athabasca oilsands are among the biggest environmental disasters caused by Mother Gaia

Which is basically the "production of the oil sands causes no harm" whopper.

Kinda like the anti-global warming argument, which basically runs "There is no global warming and the global warming that doesn't exist isn't caused by human activity and there's nothing we can do about the global warming that doesn't exist and isn't caused by human activity."
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Which is basically the "production of the oil sands causes no harm" whopper.

Nice diversion... So, are you saying that the bitumen that is naturally at surface is eco-friendly?

Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Kinda like the anti-global warming argument, which basically runs "There is no global warming and the global warming that doesn't exist isn't caused by human activity and there's nothing we can do about the global warming that doesn't exist and isn't caused by human activity."


You forgot the 'Anthropogenic' part of that grand lie
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Nice diversion... So, are you saying that the bitumen that is naturally at surface is eco-friendly?

No, I'm saying that exploitation of the oil sands has caused environmental degradation in the area.


Quote:

You forgot the 'Anthropogenic' part of that grand lie

I did? In what way is saying "caused by human activity" forgetting anthropogenic?
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

No, I'm saying that exploitation of the oil sands has caused environmental degradation in the area.

You mean just like the degradation related to the nice gravel/mortar picnic table and concrete base that Cliffy posted?


Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

I did? In what way is saying "caused by human activity" forgetting anthropogenic?


Anthropogenic Global Warming is different than 'Global Warming'... Unless the historical effects of the Earth's systems are somehow new and never experienced before
 
taxslave
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Neil WHO.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

You mean just like the degradation related to the nice gravel/mortar picnic table and concrete base that Cliffy posted?

No, I mean degradation. Killing stuff. Spreading toxins. That kind of thing.

Quote:

Anthropogenic Global Warming is different than 'Global Warming'... Unless the historical effects of the Earth's systems are somehow new and never experienced before

Fer f*ck's sake, "global warming caused by humans" is the DEFINITION of "anthropogenic global warming." Look it up. It's from the Greek "anthropos," meaning humans, and the Latin "genic," meaning produced or caused by.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

No, I mean degradation. Killing stuff. Spreading toxins. That kind of thing.

Ever looked into the eco-effects of cement plants?

You might want to expand your perspective here a bit

Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Fer f*ck's sake, "global warming caused by humans" is the DEFINITION of "anthropogenic global warming." Look it up. It's from the Greek "anthropos," meaning humans, and the Latin "genic," meaning produced or caused by.

R-e-l-a-x..... Don't pop a vessel or anything here.... I was just busting your chops a bit.

So - I take it that you have moved AGW from a theory into fact?... Might want to get in touch with the UN and IPCC. They will be ecstatic.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Ever looked into the eco-effects of cement plants?

No. What does that have to do with the environmental degradation of oil sand exploitation?

Quote:

R-e-l-a-x..... Don't pop a vessel or anything here.... I was just busting your chops a bit.

So - I take it that you have moved AGW from a theory into fact?... Might want to get in touch with the UN and IPCC. They will be ecstatic.

F*ck no. If you recollect, I was reciting the deniers' line of BS. Quoting is not endorsing.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

No. What does that have to do with the environmental degradation of oil sand exploitation?

Everything?.. Are Alberta's oilsands (extraction, production, et al) the only affect that humanity has on the planet?

Did you actually look into what it takes to produce cement?

Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

F*ck no. If you recollect, I was reciting the deniers' line of BS. Quoting is not endorsing.


Admit it... You were on the verge of an aneurysm
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Everything?.. Are Alberta's oilsands (extraction, production, et al) the only affect that humanity has on the planet?

No. What does that have to do with the environmental degradation caused by exploitation of the oil sands, the benefits derived, and possible ameliorative measures?

Quote:

Did you actually look into what it takes to produce cement?

No, because it's not relevant to the topic.


Quote:

Admit it... You were on the verge of an aneurysm

Been there, done that. Ain't no big thing.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

No. What does that have to do with the environmental degradation caused by exploitation of the oil sands, the benefits derived, and possible ameliorative measures?


No, because it's not relevant to the topic.



Been there, done that. Ain't no big thing.

  1. Yes
  2. It is relevant
  3. Yikes


 
coldstream
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Quote:


Chris Byrne, a DJ at Fort McMurray radio station Rock 97.9, said they were
starting a "No Neil" day and promoting the #notawasteland hashtag on
Twitter

Right.. when lesbian vegan kd lang started her anti-meat campaign in Alberta cattle country, where she's from.. i remember a radio station there giving out 2 20 ounce T Bone Steaks, plump, fresh and ready to sizzle of the BBQ for the first person to call in every time a kd song was played.

Maybe Rock 97.9 should offer a grand prize of red 2014 415hp.. Corvette Coupe.. for people who call in every time Southern Man is played. Heck.. i'd call in for that... and burn through some of that good ol' Alberta crude.

It certainly better than starving in the depopulated eco-utopia of radical environmentalist dreams.
Last edited by coldstream; Sep 11th, 2013 at 12:57 PM..
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

  1. Yes
  2. It is relevant
  3. Yikes

1. No.
2. How?
3. Be a man.
 
#juan
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Neil Young probably doesn't know if his a$$ is punched or bored, but the Tar Sands are a dirty, filthy, smelly, eyesore. You can smell the tar sands from forty miles away. The tar sands people could clean up their act a lot by just being less sloppy. The tar sands are a mixture of heavy oil, some kind of tar, and dirt. The big trucks track the sh-t for miles. Granted, there is a lot of oil there but we have to use a bit of common sense....a lot of common sense.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by Goddam Hippy

"The Indians up there and the native peoples are dying.

Both at the same time? Two birds with one stone.
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00MerView Post

Progress..

Progress is degrading youre life support system? Progress is making the planet unihabitable for your grandchildren? You can't eat money or oil.

And the argument that the oil was always there is just plain stupid. There were bison, deer, moose, wolves and all manner of wildlife where there is now and unihaibitable wasteland. Humans are not the only species on this planet but they are the only species that is destroying it. We are a blight on the planet and the sooner we kill ourselves off, the better it will be for the rest of the species.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

Neil Young probably doesn't know if his a$$ is punched or bored, but the Tar Sands are a dirty, filthy, smelly, eyesore. You can smell the tar sands from forty miles away. The tar sands people could clean up their act a lot by just being less sloppy. The tar sands are a mixture of heavy oil, some kind of tar, and dirt. The big trucks track the sh-t for miles. Granted, there is a lot of oil there but we have to use a bit of common sense....a lot of common sense.

There isn't a drop of tar and you can't smell it from 4 miles let alone 40.
 
Locutus
#29
Diamonds, gold, oil, logging, you name it...some whiny little group will always cry tears of mad...it's their job. Some of them get paid pretty well too.

Anyway, cry moar, I don't care.
 
#juan
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

There isn't a drop of tar and you can't smell it from 4 miles let alone 40.

B.S. Pete
I worked for GCOS for about three years in fort mac in the late sixties. I know what a smelly mess it was. I hope they've improved the way do things but it was still a bloody eyesore five years ago.
 

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