School Shooting in Georgia, Alleged Gunman in Custody

karrie

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*insert snide comments relating to race issues and/or past trials in which people disagreed with my stance*
 

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and another one (school shooting) attempted today...
 

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not much information but
Suspect, 19, allegedly enters elementary school with AK-47; no students injured.



http://news.yahoo.com/video/school-shooting-georgia-alleged-gunman-233920396.html

How far will calm, cool, and collected get ya? Apparently quite far.

Georgia school clerk talks gunman out of shooting

By Reuters




ATLANTA - A woman credited with convincing a gunman holed up in an Atlanta-area school to put down his assault rifle and surrender to police says the man was suicidal and preparing to die in a bloodbath before she talked him out of it.
"He had a look on him that he was willing to kill, matter of fact he said it," said Antoinette Tuff, a clerk at the elementary school in the Atlanta suburbs where Tuesday's incident ended with no injuries after a tense standoff.
"He was going to end his life and take all the cops and everybody with him," Tuff told Atlanta's WSB-TV news.
Tuff was sitting in the front office of the Ronald E. McNair Discovery Learning Academy when Michael Brandon Hill, 20, walked in brandishing his AK-47 rifle.
"He said he didn't have any reason to live and he knew he was going to die today," Tuff said. Tuff's account was borne out by the 911 recording of the call she made from the school during the incident that was released by police on Wednesday. Tuff can clearly be heard calmly talking Hill out of causing harm and reassuring him that giving up was the right thing to do.


"It's going to be alright sweetheart," she told him as he discarded his weapon, emptied his pockets and waited for police to enter the school. "I just want you to know that I love you though, and I'm proud of you," she added before police entered the building and arrested him without a struggle.
Hill had already shot at police outside the school, and fired off one round inside the office, before she talked him into surrendering. The 20-year-old, apparently suffering from a mental disorder, told Tuff he "felt hopeless" and said he had not taken his medication, she said.



Apart from trying to bond with Hill, she said her priority was to ensure that he stayed inside the office with her, so no harm would come to others including the school's 800 students.
"He actually tried to go out the door where the kids were and I called him back and kept talking to him to keep him calm, to stay inside with me ... Because I knew that if he got outside he was going to start shooting kids," she said.
"If he got outside, he was unstable enough to start shooting at everybody," she added.
"It was scary because I knew that at that moment he was ready to take my life along with his, and if I didn't say the right thing, we would all be dead," Tuff said.
At one point, the recently divorced mother of two said Hill, sitting directly across from her in the office, began methodically loading AK-47 magazines that he pulled out of a book bag he was carrying along with spare ammunition.
Police said on Wednesday that Hill was carrying 500 rounds.
"He just kept re-loading the gun and all the chambers and all the magazines that he had," she said.
In the 911-tape Tuff, who was relaying messages from Hill to police, told the dispatcher that Hill wanted to give up peacefully and be taken to a hospital. She commiserated with him and told him "we all go through something in life," explaining how she tried to commit suicide after her husband of 33 years left her last year.
At the end, after telling him that life was worth living, Tuff said she persuaded Hill to put down his gun and all the ammunition he was carrying. He then lay face down on the floor so police could come in and arrest him, she said.
"He had me actually get on the intercom and tell everybody that he was sorry too," she said.
Then Tuff can be heard on the 911 call telling the police dispatcher, "I'll buzz them in. Tell them not to come in shooting."
After the police entered, Tuff broke down on the phone saying, "Oh Jesus!" The police dispatcher told her "You did great."
The incident at the Georgia elementary school came less than a year after a heavily armed gunman opened fire at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., killing 20 children and six adults.
The Connecticut rampage re-ignited debate over gun control in America.
Hill faces numerous charges including aggravated assault on a police officer and making terroristic threats.

Georgia school clerk talks gunman out of shooting - World - Canoe.ca

Brave too!
 

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How far will calm, cool, and collected get ya? Apparently quite far.

Georgia school clerk talks gunman out of shooting

By Reuters




ATLANTA - A woman credited with convincing a gunman holed up in an Atlanta-area school to put down his assault rifle and surrender to police says the man was suicidal and preparing to die in a bloodbath before she talked him out of it.
"He had a look on him that he was willing to kill, matter of fact he said it," said Antoinette Tuff, a clerk at the elementary school in the Atlanta suburbs where Tuesday's incident ended with no injuries after a tense standoff.
"He was going to end his life and take all the cops and everybody with him," Tuff told Atlanta's WSB-TV news.
Tuff was sitting in the front office of the Ronald E. McNair Discovery Learning Academy when Michael Brandon Hill, 20, walked in brandishing his AK-47 rifle.
"He said he didn't have any reason to live and he knew he was going to die today," Tuff said. Tuff's account was borne out by the 911 recording of the call she made from the school during the incident that was released by police on Wednesday. Tuff can clearly be heard calmly talking Hill out of causing harm and reassuring him that giving up was the right thing to do.


"It's going to be alright sweetheart," she told him as he discarded his weapon, emptied his pockets and waited for police to enter the school. "I just want you to know that I love you though, and I'm proud of you," she added before police entered the building and arrested him without a struggle.
Hill had already shot at police outside the school, and fired off one round inside the office, before she talked him into surrendering. The 20-year-old, apparently suffering from a mental disorder, told Tuff he "felt hopeless" and said he had not taken his medication, she said.



Apart from trying to bond with Hill, she said her priority was to ensure that he stayed inside the office with her, so no harm would come to others including the school's 800 students.
"He actually tried to go out the door where the kids were and I called him back and kept talking to him to keep him calm, to stay inside with me ... Because I knew that if he got outside he was going to start shooting kids," she said.
"If he got outside, he was unstable enough to start shooting at everybody," she added.
"It was scary because I knew that at that moment he was ready to take my life along with his, and if I didn't say the right thing, we would all be dead," Tuff said.
At one point, the recently divorced mother of two said Hill, sitting directly across from her in the office, began methodically loading AK-47 magazines that he pulled out of a book bag he was carrying along with spare ammunition.
Police said on Wednesday that Hill was carrying 500 rounds.
"He just kept re-loading the gun and all the chambers and all the magazines that he had," she said.
In the 911-tape Tuff, who was relaying messages from Hill to police, told the dispatcher that Hill wanted to give up peacefully and be taken to a hospital. She commiserated with him and told him "we all go through something in life," explaining how she tried to commit suicide after her husband of 33 years left her last year.
At the end, after telling him that life was worth living, Tuff said she persuaded Hill to put down his gun and all the ammunition he was carrying. He then lay face down on the floor so police could come in and arrest him, she said.
"He had me actually get on the intercom and tell everybody that he was sorry too," she said.
Then Tuff can be heard on the 911 call telling the police dispatcher, "I'll buzz them in. Tell them not to come in shooting."
After the police entered, Tuff broke down on the phone saying, "Oh Jesus!" The police dispatcher told her "You did great."
The incident at the Georgia elementary school came less than a year after a heavily armed gunman opened fire at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., killing 20 children and six adults.
The Connecticut rampage re-ignited debate over gun control in America.
Hill faces numerous charges including aggravated assault on a police officer and making terroristic threats.

Georgia school clerk talks gunman out of shooting - World - Canoe.ca

Brave too!

I had heard of her but not read this account. Because this woman was a balanced loving, caring human being, no one died not even the kid with the gun. kudos to her...what an example she set as to how we could all be if our hearts weren't hardened ... what an exceptional human being
 

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I had heard of her but not read this account. Because this woman was a balanced loving, caring human being, no one died not even the kid with the gun. kudos to her...what an example she set as to how we could all be if our hearts weren't hardened ... what an exceptional human being

She's exactly the kind of person I'd want between my child and the outside world.
 

Sal

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She's exactly the kind of person I'd want between my child and the outside world.
absolutely, now speaking of miracles, I mean really, this is one of those situations where had anyone else on the planet handled this, meh, my guess is the outcome would not have been so great.
 

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absolutely, now speaking of miracles, I mean really, this is one of those situations where had anyone else on the planet handled this, meh, my guess is the outcome would not have been so great.

No but I think it does demonstrate that even people in the most desperate states can still be reached. Sometimes, not always, but sometimes.
 

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No but I think it does demonstrate that even people in the most desperate states can still be reached. Sometimes, not always, but sometimes.
I agree and that's what I was thinking, now if she'd had her six shooter on her hip I'm guessing things would not have ended quite so well...and there in lies the rub...everyone always argues if only they had a gun, maybe it should be, if only they'd had a heart and a brain and some wisdom, it's rare these days to have that combo
 

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I agree and that's what I was thinking, now if she'd had her six shooter on her hip I'm guessing things would not have ended quite so well...and there in lies the rub...everyone always argues if only they had a gun, maybe it should be, if only they'd had a heart and a brain and some wisdom, it's rare these days to have that combo

To be realistic though, there are probably far more circumstances of people just simply being gunned down by these attackers. Obviously someone doing this is going to emotionally, if not mentally, unstable.

I found it kind of interesting though the glimpse into the anger and frustration on the part of the guy and how it manifested into walking into a school. When we hit bottom we often do things to harm, demean, or degrade ourselves. Sometimes that's internalized and people turn to drugs or alcohol or self-mutilation, but I guess sometimes that can be externalized too. Like the act of harming another human being is not really about doing anyone but the perpetrator harm, as if he hates himself so much that he wants the rest of the world to hate him too.
 

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To be realistic though, there are probably far more circumstances of people just simply being gunned down by these attackers. Obviously someone doing this is going to emotionally, if not mentally, unstable.
for sure, this woman is the exception, very few would have this type of inner fortitude, courage, perception etc.

I found it kind of interesting though the glimpse into the anger and frustration on the part of the guy and how it manifested into walking into a school. When we hit bottom we often do things to harm, demean, or degrade ourselves. Sometimes that's internalized and people turn to drugs or alcohol or self-mutilation, but I guess sometimes that can be externalized too. Like the act of harming another human being is not really about doing anyone but the perpetrator harm, as if he hates himself so much that he wants the rest of the world to hate him too.
yes an interesting observation and people externalize all of the time... they lash out... but I do think when people lash out verbally or physically they often want to harm others and make them feel as much pain as possible.
 

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Saw this woman Antoinette Tuff interviewed by Anderson Cooper last night. My god I don't know how she did it... it was amazing how she related to him. She credits god and her pastor for his Wednesday and Sunday lessons for being able to stay calm and relate to the gun man and talk him down... listening to her speak to him is moving and makes one reflect upon just how one would handle oneself. Her spirit is wonderous.
 

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The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun." -- NRA Director Wayne LaPierre​
How wrong can a guy be, huh?

Most of us thought it was ridiculous when he said it, but we understood why he said it.