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Life imprisonment is what each should have received.
Court upholds homicide conviction for parents who prayed for dying daughter instead of going to doctor

MADISON, Wis. — A mother and father who prayed instead of seeking medical help as their daughter died in front of them were properly convicted of homicide, the Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled Wednesday.

Eleven-year-old Madeline Kara Neumann died of undiagnosed diabetes on Easter Sunday in March 2008 at home in the central Wisconsin village of Weston. Prosecutors said her parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, ignored obvious symptoms of severe illness as Kara became too weak to speak, eat, drink or walk, choosing to pray rather than take her to a doctor.

The Supreme Court’s decision said the Neumanns don’t belong to any organized church but believe visiting a doctor amounts to worshipping an idol rather than God.

As Kara’s condition worsened they resisted suggestions from her grandmother to take her to a doctor. Kara’s grandfather suggested giving her Pedialyte, a supplement used to combat dehydration in children, but Leilani Neumann said that would take the glory away from God.

Dale Neumann testified that the possibility of death never entered their minds. After she died, Leilani Neumann told police God would raise Kara from the dead.

Doctors testified that Kara would have had a good chance of survival if she had received medical care before she stopped breathing.

Marathon County prosecutors charged the couple with second-degree reckless homicide. Separate juries convicted them in 2009. They each faced up to 25 years in prison, but a judge instead ordered them to serve a month in jail every year for six years, with one parent serving every March and the other every September.

The couple’s attorneys argued that Wisconsin law protects people from being charged with child abuse if they provide spiritual treatment for a child in lieu of medical assistance. They contended the law protects parents from criminal liability through the point of creating a substantial risk of death, making it difficult to know when a situation has become so serious that parents who stay with prayer healing become criminally liable. State attorneys countered that parents are immune from child abuse charges but not homicide counts, arguing that once they realize a child could die, their immunity ends.

More than a dozen states have some form of legal protection for parents who choose prayer healing for their children over conventional medical attention. But they’ve been wrestling for years with how far those protections go.

Wisconsin’s 3rd District Court of Appeals sent the Neumanns’ appeal straight to the state Supreme Court without ruling on it, calling the case unique.

In a 6-1 decision released Wednesday, the state Supreme Court found criminal immunity for treatment by prayer has clear limits and that the Neumanns went too far.

“The juries could reasonably find that by failing to call for medical assistance when Kara was seriously ill and in a coma-like condition for 12 to 14 hours, the parents were creating an unreasonable and substantial risk of Kara’s death, were subjectively aware of that risk, and caused her death,” Chief Justice Shirley Abrahamson wrote for the majority.
 

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Iit's the religious zealots that are to blame, just like any other special interest zealotry. Religion by itself is just fine.
 

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Read the article - the Laws are at fault.
she would still be dead Goob regardless of the law and obviously the parents weren't raised that way as the grandparents tried to help, however they should have called the authorities in and they did not so in my mind they too are culpable
 

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she would still be dead Goob regardless of the law and obviously the parents weren't raised that way as the grandparents tried to help, however they should have called the authorities in and they did not so in my mind they too are culpable

Dead yes. But a life sentence is mandated. Change the Law.
And yes I agree the the Grandparents should have been charged. Negligence resulting in death.
Fix the laws.
 

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You think that's hypocritical, but it's not.
Of course you would think so.....the not me syndrome...you know what they say about finger pointing like some people (Not You of course:roll:) do.
Only one thing I dislike more than bullshyters it's Hypocritical bullshyters.......
 
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Sal

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Dead yes. But a life sentence is mandated. Change the Law.
And yes I agree the the Grandparents should have been charged. Negligence resulting in death.
Fix the laws.
yes I don't know what planet the judge is residing on...one month a year...and what if she has more kids, do they remove them for the safety of the child? I sure hope so.
 

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Of course you would think so.....the not me syndrome...you know what they say about finger pointing like some people (Not You of course) do.
Only one thing I dislike more than bullshyters it's Hypocritical bullshyters.......

You think that race and religion are equal. They are not.
 

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A bigot is a bigot no mater what the bigotry is about...And I just love the way you justify yours, and you always will so arguing with you is an exercise in futility....so y'all have a nice day.
Can constantly attacking lefties be considered bigotry?
 

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I don't particularly care.

Good idea. You wouldn't stand a chance arguing with me.
Although I do not doubt your prowess in an argument, there is no way any man can win an argument with a woman. It is just not in our genetics. Any man who tries must have a death wish or something. :lol:
 

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You just proved his point.

How did I prove his point? Before you answer, you do have a chance to retract that statement, because I didn't prove his point and when you tell me why you think I did and I show you how completely *** backward your argument is, it might embarrass you.
 

Sal

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Although I do not doubt your prowess in an argument, there is no way any man can win an argument with a woman. It is just not in our genetics. Any man who tries must have a death wish or something. :lol:
actually not quite true, if it serves my purpose, I may let him think he won ;-)