U.S. Supreme Court issues key ruling on benefits in win for gay rights

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U.S. Supreme Court issues key ruling on benefits in win for gay rights - The Globe and Mail

The U.S. Supreme Court on Wednesday handed a significant victory to gay rights advocates by recognizing that married gay men and women are eligible for federal benefits and paving the way for same-sex marriage in California.

The court, however, fell short of a landmark ruling endorsing a fundamental right for gay people to marry.

The two cases, both decided on 5-4 votes, concerned the constitutionality of a key part of a federal law, the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), that denied benefits to same-sex married couples and a California state law enacted in 2008, called Proposition 8, that banned gay marriage.

Gay marriage is an issue that stirs cultural, religious and political passions in the United States as elsewhere. Gay marriage advocates celebrated outside the courthouse. An enormous cheer went up as word arrived that DOMA had been struck down. “DOMA is dead!” the crowd chanted, as couples hugged and cried.

“Our marriage has not been recognized until today,” said Patricia Lambert, 59, who held her wife, Kathy Mulvey, 47. A South African, Lambert said she no longer would have to worry about being forced to leave the country if her work visa expired.

The court struck down the federal law as a violation of the U.S. Constitution’s guarantee of equal protection under the law but ducked a ruling on Proposition 8 by finding that supporters of the law did not have standing to appeal a federal district court ruling that struck the law down.

While the ruling on DOMA was clearcut, questions remained about what exactly the Proposition 8 ruling will mean on the ground. There is likely to be more litigation over whether the district court ruling applies statewide.

After hearing of the California ruling outside the courthouse, Anthony Romero, the executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union, said the fight for gay marriage would head back to the states.

“We take it to the states - state by state, legislature by legislature, governor by governor, and constitutional amendment by constitutional amendment,” he said.

In the DOMA case, Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote for the majority that the federal law, as passed by Congress in 1996, violated the U.S. Constitution’s guarantee of equal protection.

“The federal statute is invalid, for no legitimate purpose overcomes the purpose and effect to disparage and to injure those whom the state, by its marriage laws, sought to protect in personhood and dignity,” Kennedy wrote.

Kennedy, often the court’s swing vote in close decisions, also said the law imposes “a stigma upon all who enter into same-sex marriages made lawful by the unquestioned authority of the states.”

Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Antonin Scalia both wrote dissenting opinions.

Roberts himself wrote the Proposition 8 opinion, ruling along procedural lines with the court split in an unusual way.

Twelve of the 50 states and the District of Columbia recognize gay marriage; more than 30 states prohibit it, and others have laws somewhere in-between.

Section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act limited the definition of marriage as between a man and a woman for the purposes of federal benefits. By striking down Section 3, the court cleared the way to more than 1,100 federal benefits, rights and burdens linked to marriage status.

As a result of Wednesday’s ruling, Edith Windsor of New York, who was married to a woman and sued the government to get the federal estate tax deduction available to heterosexuals when their spouses pass away, will be able to claim a $363,000 tax refund.

The cases are United States v. Windsor, U.S. Supreme Court, No. 12-307 and Hollingsworth v. Perry, U.S. Supreme Court, No. 12-144.
 

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Why is SCOTUS more powerful than the other 2 branches of the US Gubmint? The Constitution says that all 3 are equal. 5 unelected people decide what's best for 333,333,333 people.
 

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Basically it sounds like the SCOTUS is not really willing to make a decision. I read this as a split decision.. rejecting the challenge to Proposition 8.. but upholding the bizarre contention that a lesbian 'couple' without legal standing in NY are due all the same tax and social benefits as legally married couple.

The latter is nonsense really. It denies the right of state to define the fundamental cornerstone of its societal structure.. while giving credibility to a contrived absurdity (in homosexual 'marriage').. a monument to self gratification, narcissism, unresolved infantile fixations, stunted sexual maturity and personal dissolution... a willfully failed life.. and all of the abject misery that stems from that.. on the basis of a completely facile notion of 'equality' or 'freedom'. Both of those become meaningless without an acknowledgement of the commensurate responsibility to society as a whole that this entails and to natural law.. which defines all of us.

It's fits the pattern of the last 4 decades of a civilization digging its own grave.
 
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Why is SCOTUS more powerful than the other 2 branches of the US Gubmint? The Constitution says that all 3 are equal. 5 unelected people decide what's best for 333,333,333 people.

They didnt. The states that have not legalized same sex marriage will not be affected by it. They decide whether or not something is constitutional. To over rule that the other two branches could always change the constitution but we all know that likely wont happen. They cant even agree on the colour of the sky these days.

The latter is nonsense really. It denies the right of state to define the fundamental cornerstone of its societal structure.. while giving credibility to a contrived absurdity (in homosexual 'marriage').. a monument to self gratification, narcissism, unresolved infantile fixations, stunted sexual maturity and personal dissolution... a willfully failed life.. and all of the abject misery that stems from that.. on the basis of a completely facile notion of 'equality' or 'freedom'. Both of those become meaningless without an acknowledgement of the commensurate responsibility to society as a whole that this entails and to natural law.. which defines all of us.

It's fits the pattern of the last 4 decades of a civilization digging its own grave.

The society you seem to want is on its way out apparently. Id consider that a good thing. Id hate living in such a place.
 

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Why is SCOTUS more powerful than the other 2 branches of the US Gubmint? The Constitution says that all 3 are equal. 5 unelected people decide what's best for 333,333,333 people.
Read the Constitution.
You are crying due to the ruling.
If they had ruled against, 9 -0, then SCOTUS would be dammed fine jurists.
So suck it up buttercup.
 

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It's fits the pattern of the last 4 decades of a civilization digging its own grave.

It's not digging its grave, it's reinventing itself, in a form that grants people the right to prosper on their own terms, instead of trying to fit into a role that doesn't fit them. Stay at home dads, lesbian marriages, female soldiers.... whoever has the ability, has the opportunity. That is a free society. And I can see how that would be terrifying for people who learned to define themselves by rules instead of by their own identities. But, it doesn't make it right to keep society locked down by fearful old ideas.
 

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Basically it sounds like the SCOTUS is not really willing to make a decision. I read this as a split decision.. rejecting the challenge to Proposition 8.. but upholding the bizarre contention that a lesbian 'couple' without legal standing in NY are due all the same tax and social benefits as legally married couple.

The latter is nonsense really. It denies the right of state to define the fundamental cornerstone of its societal structure.. while giving credibility to a contrived absurdity (in homosexual 'marriage').. a monument to self gratification, narcissism, unresolved infantile fixations, stunted sexual maturity and personal dissolution... a willfully failed life.. and all of the abject misery that stems from that.. on the basis of a completely facile notion of 'equality' or 'freedom'. Both of those become meaningless without an acknowledgement of the commensurate responsibility to society as a whole that this entails and to natural law.. which defines all of us.

It's fits the pattern of the last 4 decades of a civilization digging its own grave.
Aw, poor Inquisitor still has its panties in a knot.



What's digging civilisation's grave is the "gawd given right" to screw whatever is in the path between people and money/power.
 

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It's not digging its grave, it's reinventing itself, in a form that grants people the right to prosper on their own terms, instead of trying to fit into a role that doesn't fit them. Stay at home dads, lesbian marriages, female soldiers.... whoever has the ability, has the opportunity. That is a free society. And I can see how that would be terrifying for people who learned to define themselves by rules instead of by their own identities. But, it doesn't make it right to keep society locked down by fearful old ideas.

Our civilization is formed on deposit of faith around which its entire structure is dependent... no matter how many people consider this an anachronism now.

Replacing a system of constructive community values based on that, and formed on the centrality or real child nurturing families.. with the type of morbid, reductive, centrifugal and self anhilating logic that backs the homosexual agenda (as one part of a movement promoting radical individualism and immersion into the 'self').. cannot but undermine the entire edifice.. and trivialize love and family.

We are already seeing the results in steep economic decline.. and an increasingly predatory, dismembered and violent society. That will increase, in fact it will accelerate, as this deformation and fragmentation continues.
 
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Our civilization is formed on deposit of faith around which its entire structure is dependent... no matter how many people consider this an anachronism now.

Replacing a system of constructive community values based on that, and formed on the centrality or real child nurturing families.. with the type of morbid, reductive, centrifugal and self anhilating logic that backs the homosexual agenda (as one part of a movement promoting radical individualism and immersion into the 'self').. cannot but undermine the entire edifice.. and trivialize love and family.
Yep, just like the earlier "constructive community values" based on the scientifically verified knowledge that white people were inherently superior to non-white people.

We are already seeing the results in steep economic decline.. and an increasingly predatory, dismembered and violent society. That will increase, in fact it will accelerate, as this deformation and fragmentation continues.
Compared to when? Crime is half what it was in the 1970s. Personal wealth is far higher, as is the gross domestic product, even in inflation-adjusted dollars.
 

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Yep, just like the earlier "constructive community values" based on the scientifically verified knowledge that white people were inherently superior to non-white people.


Compared to when? Crime is half what it was in the 1970s. Personal wealth is far higher, as is the gross domestic product, even in inflation-adjusted dollars.


One of the great uses of sophistry of the homosexual lobby is to compare itself to the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s to which it bears NO resemblance. In fact it replaces Martin Luther King's goal of creating a society where people are measured by the 'content of the their character rather than colour of their skin' to a society where character and responsibility have NO value what so ever.. replaced by one of a radical form of libertarian 'freedom' to do what ever you want, regardless of the consequences to yourself and others.

This is a BEHAVIOUR, which all competent societies regulate and moderate in the public interest. Hence control of drugs, alcohol.. which frankly homosexuality does resemble as an addiction and predilection to self destruction.

As to the economy.. the generation following the Boomers will be the first since the Great Depression that has seen a real decline in wealth from its predecessor. And while the Great Depression was deep but limited event what we are seeing now is an entrenched, systemic collapse and dismantling of industrial infrasture that is fare deeper and more forboding.

We are in as state of imminent economic dissolution.. brought on by two fictional notions of 'freedom'.. one of Free Trade (and Free Markets).. the other of a Free Society.. free of responsibility to itself or to God. As philosophical proposals they are integrally related.
 
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Our civilization is formed on deposit of faith around which its entire structure is dependent... no matter how many people consider this an anachronism now.
Yeah. Time to replace it with something sensible instead of the religious claptrap.

Replacing a system of constructive community values based on that, and formed on the centrality or real child nurturing families.. with the type of morbid, reductive, centrifugal and self anhilating logic that backs the homosexual agenda (as one part of a movement promoting radical individualism and immersion into the 'self').. cannot but undermine the entire edifice.. and trivialize love and family.
Yeah the planet's being taken over by non-reproductive homosexuals bent on the destruction of homo sapiens.
Get a grip.

We are already seeing the results in steep economic decline.. and an increasingly predatory, dismembered and violent society. That will increase, in fact it will accelerate, as this deformation and fragmentation continues.
Yeah, it's all because of homosexuality and has nothing to do with the god-given right to be greedy for money and power.
 

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One of the great uses of sophistry of the homosexual lobby is to compare itself to the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s to which it bears NO resemblance. In fact it replaces Martin Luther King's goal of creating a society where people are measured by the 'content of the their character rather than colour of their skin' to a society where character and responsibility have NO value what so ever.. replaced by one of a radical form of libertarian 'freedom' to do what ever you want, regardless of the consequences to yourself and others.

This is a BEHAVIOUR, which all competent societies regulate and moderate in the public interest. Hence control of drugs, alcohol.. which frankly homosexuality does resemble as an addiction and predilection to self destruction.

As to the economy.. the generation following the Boomers will be the first since the Great Depression that has seen a real decline in wealth from its predecessor. And while the Great Depression was deep but limited event what we are seeing now is an entrenched, systemic collapse and dismantling of industrial infrasture that is fare deeper and more forboding.

We are in as state of imminent economic dissolution.. brought on by two fictional notions of 'freedom'.. one of Free Trade (and Free Markets).. the other of a Free Society.. free of responsibility to itself or to God.


all bullshyte, but it seems that is what you are best at.
 

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One of the great uses of sophistry of the homosexual lobby is to compare itself to the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s to which it bears NO resemblance. In fact it replaces Martin Luther King's goal of creating a society where people are measured by the 'content of the their character rather than colour of their skin' to a society where character and responsibility have NO value what so ever.. replaced by one of a radical form of libertarian 'freedom' to do what ever you want, regardless of the consequences to yourself and others. This is a BEHAVIOUR, which all competent societies regulate and moderate in the public interest. Hence control of drugs, alcohol.. which frankly homosexuality does resemble as an addiction and prediliction to self destruction.
rofl Like being left-handed, red-headed, etc.? Such evil people they were that they were burned at the stake by religious doughheads back in the 1600s. Definitely humanity suffered loads because of homosexuals, southpaws, and blueys, right?
So how are your Inquisitions doing, BTW?

As to the economy.. the generation following the Boomers will be the first since the Great Depression that has seen a real decline in wealth from its predecessor. And while the Great Depression was deep but limited event what we are seeing now is an entrenched, systemic collapse and dismantling of industrial infrasture that is fare deeper and more forboding. We are in as state of imminent economic dissolution.. brought on by two fictional notions of 'freedom'.. one of Free Trade (and Free Markets).. the other of a Free Society.. free of responsibility to itself or to God.
Had to greenie you for that. Frackin funny shyte! Anyway, if we had NO economy whatsoever, would that be bad? I mean all the fresh water, food, abilities to shelter ourselves, compassion and empathy for others, etc. ad infinitum that are the traits of homo sapiens and the planet would all disappear, right?
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One of the great uses of sophistry of the homosexual lobby is to compare itself to the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s to which it bears NO resemblance. In fact it replaces Martin Luther King's goal of creating a society where people are measured by the 'content of the their character rather than colour of their skin' to a society where character and responsibility have NO value what so ever.. replaced by one of a radical form of libertarian 'freedom' to do what ever you want, regardless of the consequences to yourself and others.
One of the great uses of quasi-religious thuggery is to differentiate the racial civil rights struggle from the gay civil rights struggle, both of which involved terrified, narrow-minded people hysterically afraid of others for no reason than the fact that they were different, and passing laws to brutally discriminate against them.

This is a BEHAVIOUR, which all competent societies regulate and moderate in the public interest. Hence control of drugs, alcohol.. which frankly homosexuality does resemble as an addiction and predilection to self destruction.
Only in the mind of a hopeless bigot.

As to the economy.. the generation following the Boomers will be the first since the Great Depression that has seen a real decline in wealth from its predecessor. And while the Great Depression was deep but limited event what we are seeing now is an entrenched, systemic collapse and dismantling of industrial infrasture that is fare deeper and more forboding.
Umm. . . no, it won't. I realize this is a matter of religion (defined as believing in things you don't understand and can't analyse) with you, but this "generation's" GDP is higher than the last generation's GDP.

We are in as state of imminent economic dissolution.. brought on by two fictional notions of 'freedom'.. one of Free Trade (and Free Markets).. the other of a Free Society.. free of responsibility to itself or to God. As philosophical proposals they are integrally related.
So, homosexuality is responsible for the "imminent economic dissolution?" Coz Gawd's all pissed off?

Don't sound like a very loving Gawd to me.
 

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Our civilization is formed on deposit of faith around which its entire structure is dependent... no matter how many people consider this an anachronism now.

Replacing a system of constructive community values based on that, and formed on the centrality or real child nurturing families.. with the type of morbid, reductive, centrifugal and self anhilating logic that backs the homosexual agenda (as one part of a movement promoting radical individualism and immersion into the 'self').. cannot but undermine the entire edifice.. and trivialize love and family.

We are already seeing the results in steep economic decline.. and an increasingly predatory, dismembered and violent society. That will increase, in fact it will accelerate, as this deformation and fragmentation continues.

So the world would be right if there were no Homosexuals.
Fuk me why did we not think of that before.
 

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They didnt. The states that have not legalized same sex marriage will not be affected by it. They decide whether or not something is constitutional. To over rule that the other two branches could always change the constitution but we all know that likely wont happen. They cant even agree on the colour of the sky these days.



The society you seem to want is on its way out apparently. Id consider that a good thing. Id hate living in such a place.




The Constitution requires full faith & credit for all contractual obligations so that if a couple marries in one state the obligations in their arrangement must be recognized in another.