Fed up with Religions Yet?

[Praxius]

Catholic official worried about Israel attacks
Catholic official worried about Israel attacks

After a series of attacks by vandals on Christian holy sites in Israel, normally tight-lipped Roman Catholic officials are beginning to speak out, publicly appealing to authorities to take a stronger stand against the violence.
The Rev. Pierbattista Pizzaballa, one of the church's top officials in the Holy Land, said he is worried about relations between Jews and Christians in the Holy Land. He believes the blame can go all around.
"I think the main atmosphere is ignorance," Pizzaballa told The Associated Press in an interview.
Because the local Christian population is tiny, "we do not exist for the majority ... They have other priorities," he said. "On the other side, we as a minority maybe didn't invest enough energy and initiatives" to reach out to Israeli Jews.
That may be changing following this month's attack on a well-known Trappist Monastery in Latrun, outside Jerusalem. Vandals burned a door and spray-painted anti-Christian graffiti on the century-old building with the words "Jesus is a monkey.".....

Well, looks like all the major religions are getting their fair share of intolerance, hatred and violence.

You have Christians in Canada spray painting swastikas on synagogues, you have christians purposely trashing the beliefs of Muslims knowing exactly how they'd react, Muslims going on the war path to make examples out of the infidels, and we have the Jews attacking and burning christian churches and the sort.....

But they're all religions of peace they say.... With their own versions of what peace is.

If they're all left with their own devices long enough with little control, everybody will be screwed.... But that's what they all want anyways... One big Holy World War III to figure out which religion has the biggest balls to show off to their version of the same God they all worship, ala Judgement Day / Rapture.

What would life be without God / Religion?

Well we wouldn't have to deal with all this crap in the world, that's for sure.

All these religious groups who all think they know best & they have it right, which justifies them in using their religion to attack the other religions.... When in reality, they're all a bunch of crack pots dragging humanity down from progression & unity until we're right back to where we came from in the stone ages so we can do it all over again.

 

[petros]

If you are sane enough to find the spiriuality in Religion....hats off to ya! If you can't, you aren't Christian, Heeb, Muzzie, Hindude, Buddy or whatever path you may be using.

 

[karrie]

Only religious people trash religion? What?

 

[L Gilbert]

Only religious people trash religion? What?

Good question. And it seems to me that if people don't fight over rreligion, politics fits the bill.

 

[darkbeaver]

These are simply competing products in the god market. What we need to is regulate the manufacture and distribution to comply with international standards, ours. We would be able to more comfortably napalm strafe carpet bomb starve and just generally terrorize at far higher efficiency if we would only hear the divine plan. It dosn't have to be that way but under the bankers rules every human institution gravitates toward monopolistic control leading to certain decay. Many of the present religious practices are at least unfit instruction for youth especially primary instruction early in the consumers experience.. There is no wedge between nature and a proper religion, it was always physics and most of it observable and accessable.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Only religious people trash religion? What?

Maybe more like, only religious people use violence against religion? I trash religion routinely and I'm completely irreligious, I trash them all more or less equally, but I do it with just words. But even so, there are some among the religious who would say I deserve death for that. It's not that long ago even in the supposedly advanced and civilized West that the state would have sanctioned my execution for heresy, and there have been people here I'm sure would applaud that. One of them even more or less told me so.

So yeah, to answer the OP, I'm fed up with religion and have been for years. But people being what they are, if they didn't have religious differences to trash each other over, they'd find something else, and often do anyway. Politics, gender, ethnicity, colour, culture, weight... I find it difficult not to be a bit of a misanthrope.

 

[Nuggler]

Maybe more like, only religious people use violence against religion? I trash religion routinely and I'm completely irreligious, I trash them all more or less equally, but I do it with just words. But even so, there are some among the religious who would say I deserve death for that. It's not that long ago even in the supposedly advanced and civilized West that the state would have sanctioned my execution for heresy, and there have been people here I'm sure would applaud that. One of them even more or less told me so.

So yeah, to answer the OP, I'm fed up with religion and have been for years. But people being what they are, if they didn't have religious differences to trash each other over, they'd find something else, and often do anyway. Politics, gender, ethnicity, colour, culture, weight... I find it difficult not to be a bit of a misanthrope.

:happy5:.........what he said: ditto

Aso, keeps them out of the beer parlours, so one can get pissed up quietly, amongst like minded individuals.

Where can we get "misanthrope" t.shirts??:laughing6:

 

[earth_as_one]

Only religious people trash religion? What?

I don't recall atheists starting a religious war. In general I'd say religious people tend to be less religiously tolerant.

Maybe more like, only religious people use violence against religion? I trash religion routinely and I'm completely irreligious, I trash them all more or less equally, but I do it with just words. But even so, there are some among the religious who would say I deserve death for that. It's not that long ago even in the supposedly advanced and civilized West that the state would have sanctioned my execution for heresy, and there have been people here I'm sure would applaud that. One of them even more or less told me so.

So yeah, to answer the OP, I'm fed up with religion and have been for years. But people being what they are, if they didn't have religious differences to trash each other over, they'd find something else, and often do anyway. Politics, gender, ethnicity, colour, culture, weight... I find it difficult not to be a bit of a misanthrope.

I'm not religious either, but I don't trash religions. Religion can be a source of hope, morality, wisdom, peace.....

 

[Corduroy]

Religious people should be less tolerant of other religions. God tells them what is right, what is moral, how to organize a society, how to eat, what kind of hat to wear. They believe they have the highest authority on their side. You can't tolerate other people if they not only openly defy the commands of the almighty but declare their own almighty with a different set of rules. Behaviour defined by divine authority cannot be tolerant. It is absolute.

The fact that some religious people are tolerant speaks more to their humanity than their religiosity.

 

[darkbeaver]

I don't recall atheists starting a religious war.

Soviet Communists. Offed millions of christians.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I'm not religious either, but I don't trash religions. Religion can be a source of hope, morality, wisdom, peace.....

It is also, and lamentably often, a source of the precise opposites, because, as Corduroy astutely pointed out in the post below yours, believing you're absolutely right gives you both the right and the duty, at least in your own terms, to interfere unpleasantly in the lives of those who don't buy your particular version of reality, and history contains a distressing catalog of such interference. For that reason alone I would argue that religion deserves to be trashed. The weight of evidence on the question of whether religion has been a source for good or evil things in the world seems to me to be strongly on the negative side.

 

[karrie]

It's not religion that needs the trashing... it's the mentality you speak of. Because I've seen it at work in people who call themselves atheists. I've seen it at work in people who feel that any politics but their own are a threat. I've seen it at work in people who find that their race is the 'right' one. I've seen it at work in people who think their place of birth grants them superiority. Throw religion out the window, and power hungry people will still find reasons to declare themselves 'right', 'better'. Whereas, deciding you've gotten it 'right' on the religious front, and everyone else ought to be changed, ought to be taught otherwise, puts you awfully close to being what you're complaining about.

 

[Locutus]

It's not religion that needs the trashing... it's the mentality you speak of. Because I've seen it at work in people who call themselves atheists. I've seen it at work in people who feel that any politics but their own are a threat. I've seen it at work in people who find that their race is the 'right' one. I've seen it at work in people who think their place of birth grants them superiority. Throw religion out the window, and power hungry people will still find reasons to declare themselves 'right', 'better'. Whereas, deciding you've gotten it 'right' on the religious front, and everyone else ought to be changed, ought to be taught otherwise, puts you awfully close to being what you're complaining about.

Yep. And some are so contrary and provocative that feel it is their duty to retort anyone stating their belief or opinion. Instead of just accepting that, like themselves, the other bloke has one, they have to blurt out the opposite ideaolgy just to get a rise or a extra few 'points' in their miserable daily game of the week.

More props to a person who just shuts the hell up and moves on. That also includes the eye-roll, head-shake and exasperated sigh. :lol:

 

[Praxius]

Only religious people trash religion? What?

When in Rome.

I'm just typing words on the internet, I'm not burning churches, spraying graffiti, physically attacking people, burning flags, bombing abortion clinics, stoning people or.... Geez take your pick from a list of many other much worse things people do in the name of their god.

Nice attempt to justify it all tough.

Good question. And it seems to me that if people don't fight over rreligion, politics fits the bill.

One less thing to worry about.

 

[CDNBear]

When in Rome.

I'm just typing words on the internet, I'm not burning churches, spraying graffiti, physically attacking people, burning flags, bombing abortion clinics, stoning people or.... Geez take your pick from a list of many other much worse things people do in the name of their god.

You think all that's worse than you lying?

Nice moral relativism.

Nice attempt to justify it all tough.

Nice fabrication.

 

[karrie]

Nice attempt to justify it all tough.

I never attempted to justify the wars and the fighting. They've existed all through humanity and have been fought for power since the beginning of time. And they'll continue to be fought so long as it's always the fault of 'the other guy'. I'm just pointing out that you're playing into the mentality. It's 'that guy's' fault. Thank god I got it right and I'm nothing like him. I found the 'right' path, and his needs to be abolished.

 

[tay]

Some Religious Leaders See a Threat as Europe Grows More Secular


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/20/w...urope-reflects-deeper-tensions.html?ref=world

 

[SLM]

I don't recall atheists starting a religious war. In general I'd say religious people tend to be less religiously tolerant.

There are many, many atheists that are incredibly intolerant of anyone with religious beliefs. And often quite nasty about it too. Starting a religious war is not the only marker of intolerance.

Yep. And some are so contrary and provocative that feel it is their duty to retort anyone stating their belief or opinion. Instead of just accepting that, like themselves, the other bloke has one, they have to blurt out the opposite ideaolgy just to get a rise or a extra few 'points' in their miserable daily game of the week.

More props to a person who just shuts the hell up and moves on. That also includes the eye-roll, head-shake and exasperated sigh. :lol:

Yeah, but there's also the element of letting the ones who scream the loudest just run roughshod all over everyone else.

Sometimes you just have to knock some of them off their pedestals.

 

[Praxius]

It's not religion that needs the trashing... it's the mentality you speak of. Because I've seen it at work in people who call themselves atheists. I've seen it at work in people who feel that any politics but their own are a threat. I've seen it at work in people who find that their race is the 'right' one. I've seen it at work in people who think their place of birth grants them superiority. Throw religion out the window, and power hungry people will still find reasons to declare themselves 'right', 'better'. Whereas, deciding you've gotten it 'right' on the religious front, and everyone else ought to be changed, ought to be taught otherwise, puts you awfully close to being what you're complaining about.

True, but the main point of this thread was in relation to Colpy's thread "Fed up with Islam yet???" where he has gone out of his way to find every single shred of bad news and bad examples of Muslims doing something evil or wrong.... branding the entire religion as evil and a scourge based on either isolated incidences or situations that were created by extremists.

This is more or less to show that one can easily brand an entire religion.... all religions, by the actions of a select few bad apples in that religion.

What's even worse is how some who defend and think their religion (or the religion they're more used to) is better than another, will continually poke a stick at the other religion they don't like until they get all PO'd and then go "Hey, see, they're evil & violent."

I never once defended the actions of Muslims who go nuts over anything making fun of their Prophet, but those who continually do it know full well how they're going to react, and then while they're defending what they did and trying to act all cool and tough about it, they're also going into hiding, try to cover up their identity and fearing for their lives, playing the victim.

Quite similar to being an internet troll, but worse.... internet trolls know exactly what they're doing, they know they're going out to provoke and anger/upset someone and they get enjoyment out of it... but on the internet, there's admins and moderators in most places to punish them.

Some will defend their actions as freedom of speech and that they're in every right to say whatever they damn well please, regardless of the consequences, but on the internet, that's not the case.

In the real world, it is the case.... people can troll other people all they want, and they're defended by freedom of speech.... and the admins/mods (government) let's it keep happening and in fact, they'll protect the trolls, even if their actions results in other innocent people being injured or killed because of their actions.

Take that idiot who made that lame movie that was posted on YouTube that caused all this crap in the last couple of weeks..... he admitted that he knew full well what would happen and did it anyways.... but he didn't suffer the consequences of his actions, other people did.

I'm all for freedom of expression and speech, but if you want to stand up for what you believe in, do it... don't just toss your crap out there to piss people off and then go into hiding / protection while everybody else around you suffers "Your" consequences.

Again, I'm not defending any of the ass clowns who got upset over a cartoon or video mocking their beliefs.... and there's no excuse for their actions anymore than there's no excuse for the actions of the people who antagonizing them..... but we all know how the extremists will react, it's nothing new and they're not going to change.

If you want to stand up to your beliefs and your rights by taking such actions and risking being a martyr, fine do it.... say your peace, express your opinions and stand by them, but don't act like your some hero by trolling others you don't agree with and then tuck your tail between your legs and let others who have no association with you suffer from your actions.

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Getting back to the OP some more, The above, among many other examples, just clearly shows that it isn't just Muslims who act like idiots.... and Christians, Jewish and many other religious groups & their sects all have their fair share of acting like idiots, antagonizing the other, causing violence and hatred.... all the while acting like their sh*t don't stink.

When it comes to politics, the last time I remember seeing anything similar in politics like what many see between the religions was back during the Cold War era between "Capitalists" and "Commies" pretty much ready to nuke the entire planet because they each finger pointed at the other as being worse than they are.

So if one wants to, feel free in creating another thread with the title "Fed up with Governments yet???"

 

[CDNBear]

So start a "Are you happy with Islam yet?" thread, and post happy fluffy things about Islam.

The answer isn't to go adding to the problem, lol.