End of an era as Canadian Wheat Board loses monopoly

taxslave

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One down. Now if we could just get rid of the dairy and egg boards and quotas life for producers and consumers would be much better. For government bureaucraps and those that are connected and need a soft landing perhaps not so much.
 
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petros said:
You should wait a awhile before celebrating.because there might not be anything to celebrate.
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Here's hoping you're correct.

The free market conbot idiots selling us out, starting with "one down"

If they do the dairy, pork, chicken, monster size agribizz is all that's going to be left.

Farmers falling over each other to cut throats and drive down prices and their standard of living.

But, here's a question for you Petros, since you are more learned in the ways of agriculture than I:::

Could the farmers not have a VOLUNTARY wheat board? If so, how long do you think it would last before someone got greedy.

Dairy and egg farmers have been just ****ed in the US for years. The small to medium size farm down there is just about done.
How long do you think it will be before we import all that **** up here?



TAXSLAVE: If there was only ONE huge construction conglomerate, which priced you out of your market, how would you feel? Stiff upper lip. Competition is great?? Bull****. You'd be whining worse than any of your imaginary union whiners, longer, louder...........trying to form a construction owners union or somesuch.

You business ****ers are all for free trade and letting the market set the price, etc. as long as it doesn't include you.
 
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Nuggler said:
But, here's a question for you Petros, since you are more learned in the ways of agriculture than I:::

Could the farmers not have a VOLUNTARY wheat board? If so, how long do you think it would last before someone got greedy.
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We did. It was called Saskatchewan Wheat Pool but that was bought out by Agricore (Viterra) in 2007 after SWP went public in 1997.

There are producer rail car co-ops for shipping but that is about it these days.
 
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Nuggler said:
Here's hoping you're correct.

The free market conbot idiots selling us out, starting with "one down"

If they do the dairy, pork, chicken, monster size agribizz is all that's going to be left.

Farmers falling over each other to cut throats and drive down prices and their standard of living.

But, here's a question for you Petros, since you are more learned in the ways of agriculture than I:::

Could the farmers not have a VOLUNTARY wheat board? If so, how long do you think it would last before someone got greedy.

Dairy and egg farmers have been just ****ed in the US for years. The small to medium size farm down there is just about done.
How long do you think it will be before we import all that **** up here?



TAXSLAVE: If there was only ONE huge construction conglomerate, which priced you out of your market, how would you feel? Stiff upper lip. Competition is great?? Bull****. You'd be whining worse than any of your imaginary union whiners, longer, louder...........trying to form a construction owners union or somesuch.

You business ****ers are all for free trade and letting the market set the price, etc. as long as it doesn't include you.
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How little you socialist do gooders know. I spent most of my life around logging and construction. No one has ever set mandated minimum prices for us. In fact we have to bid on crown timber and hope we can sell it to a mill for more than it costs to log. It is this type of competition that creates innovation. Sometimes you win, often you loose. That is why I consider casinos a stupid boring game for pikers. To be a real gambler one must be a contractor and stake everything you own 24/7.
Competition IS good for everyone, suppliers included. To have the government mandate who can sell what is not good for business or consumers in the long term. There is nothing to stop the wheat farmers from setting up a co-op by themselves to give them greater volume.
 
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petros said:
It wasn't govt run, everyone was elected and the members were owners .

Just like a Co-Op or a POOL
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You can still sell your crop to the wheat board,whats the problem?
Do you think that because you are that your neighbour should have to as well.
 
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My neighbour? The one who had two sea cans of masala durum returned from India at his expense after paying for all initial shipping, grading,cleaning and bagging?
 
damngrumpy

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There is no way I want to see the dairy and egg boards gone, in the horticulture sector
I was promoting managed marketing for tree fruits and other commodities. The reason
we have to get prices up for food not down. Farmers have been subsidizing consumers
for years with cheap food policies. In addition we need to take a page out of Japan's
book. They negotiate all the freed trade deals they want with strict controls allowing
food imports and maintaining the price for Japanese farmers.
I hope the whole thing backfires and the price for grain gets caught up in the old cycle
of Australia vs America and Europe like it did a few years ago. Grain farmers will find
they are in a race for the bottom. They will be like the Hort sector in a few years.
No operating capital, subjected to every increasing food safety and liability demands and
low prices. It won't take long to hear the howling either and don't be surprised when the
governments say no to assistance.
 
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petros said:
My neighbour? The one who had two sea cans of masala durum returned from India at his expense after paying for all initial shipping, grading,cleaning and bagging?
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How much did that cost you?

damngrumpy said:
There is no way I want to see the dairy and egg boards gone, in the horticulture sector
I was promoting managed marketing for tree fruits and other commodities. The reason
we have to get prices up for food not down. Farmers have been subsidizing consumers
for years with cheap food policies. In addition we need to take a page out of Japan's
book. They negotiate all the freed trade deals they want with strict controls allowing
food imports and maintaining the price for Japanese farmers.
I hope the whole thing backfires and the price for grain gets caught up in the old cycle
of Australia vs America and Europe like it did a few years ago. Grain farmers will find
they are in a race for the bottom. They will be like the Hort sector in a few years.
No operating capital, subjected to every increasing food safety and liability demands and
low prices. It won't take long to hear the howling either and don't be surprised when the
governments say no to assistance.
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So how much did you get charged for culls from last years apple crop by your co-op?
Are you changing your trees at $20,000.00 plus per acre to get higher yielding crops
or are you simply leasing out your orchard and pining for the good old days when there was no Chinese competition?
By the way do you drink that imported apple juice now that we no longer can afford to market our own?
 
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damngrumpy said:
I hope the whole thing backfires and the price for grain gets caught up in the old cycle
of Australia vs America and Europe like it did a few years ago. Grain farmers will find
they are in a race for the bottom. They will be like the Hort sector in a few years.
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The times they are a changin'

Grain is a tough game, you're at the mercy of the weather and markets, oil seed pounds the snot out of your soil though they pay well and demand is high but proteins are the future of farming.

Lentils ,beans,chickpeas, millets.

Modern equipment is freakin amazing. You can blast through several types of product in a day without havving to get out of the combine cab to adjust sieve, threshing, chaffer or fan speeds. It's all on the fly and can be fine tuned to deal with variables. From barley to canola to peas with ease.

With the vast array of crop options, weather and soil conditions can be planned for and you still turn a good dollar.

So feel free to belly up to a bowl of buckwheat, butter and onions instead of that pricy beef and support the modern producer.
 
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Actually I was on the board of directors for PICO the Okanagan plant improvement company
and we actually contract 85% of all new varieties for Cherries grown round the world. In addition
the Ambrosia variety is one of our by contract around the world.
Not leasing either. We are subject to the food rules and imports are not held to the same standard
Yes I paid eight and a half cents per pound for culls to the coop and we would be in a wose state
if we didn't have the coop.
The problem is we have high land costs for one thing, but the cost of food is too low in North America
we actually spend less that ten percent of income on food, while other parts spend thirty percent or
more.
We do not have young people coming into the industry because the returns are not high enough unless
there is the dairy quota and egg quota and I am solidly behind those people. The days of cheap food
should come to an end and they will, one way or another.
Here is a little something to think about. CHINA, they have set aside over 185 billion to buy up farmland
in north and south America. When the food crunch hits in about ten years they will grow food on
Canadian soil and ship it to CHINA and you will get what is left and at a lot higher prices. They have
already started purchasing small wineries and other plots of land and they are looking at orchards in the
Okanagan for example.
I personally have been involved in Ari Politics to some time, I took a break but I think I will be back into
it next year. There are a Lot of things going on that people don't understand yet and they will to their
disadvantage soon enough, I am happy some of you are happy. It won't be that way for long though.
I'm not pining for the good ole days I want to create new days where we get paid a fair and a good price
for the food we produce, that is all farmers. when costs go up we should be able to pass them on to the
consumer like all other industries and that is coming. Soon Food Water and Oil will be the only things
that matter. That is when I will be happy.
 
petros

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Here is a little something to think about. CHINA, they have set aside over 185 billion to buy up farmland in north and south America. When the food crunch hits in about ten years they will grow food on Canadian soil and ship it to CHINA and you will get what is left and at a lot higher prices.
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They are already here grumpy....they are already here...and more than you know.
 
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Hooray for the free market system and good bye to small farms and hello to factory farms usually American that will gouge the Canadian consumer and more money for food not necessarily for the farmers.

The CWB was dismantled before the depression and brought back when the Canadian farmer was losing market share to the Americans.

More farmers are growing more specialized crops and ethanol crops just because there is more money.

The Canadians will just have to settle for Chinese agriculture product that is grown with not so nice stuff.
 
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