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Might be too late for Arthur:


Arthur Topham Arrested

Arthur Topham, publisher of the Radical Press website, was arrested on May 16, 2012, at 11:30 am on the Barkerville Highway near Quesnel, B.C., put in handcuffs and taken to jail. Apparently, Arthur’s home had been staked out for quite some time by the RCMP.
The warrant for his arrest read “commission of hate crimes” and was endorsed by Arthur’s special “friends” and professional denunciators Richard Warman and Harry Abrams of B’nai Brith, Canada.

What the Canadian Hate Crimes Tribunal failed to do, seems to have been a cinch for Richard and Harry, law or no law. In Canada, when B’nai Brith whistles, the RCMP jumps.

While in jail, Arthur’s house was raided and his computer equipment confiscated, including all his files. During the raid, Shasta, Arthur’s wife, wasn’t allowed into her home for 9 hours. Once the RCMP had taken what they wanted -- we wonder where the bugs are now hidden -- and finished questioning Arthur, he was released at 11:00 pm.

Arthur is now back home again, but prohibited from sending ANY emails or expressing any opinions about the issues all too familiar to us. In other words, freedom of speech, which he so passionately fights for, has now been stymied by unconstitutional summersaults, technically and “legally” muzzling him, for the time being. Without compunction, might is right in Canada.

 During the last 14 years Arthur has literally spent tens of thousands of hours, and God only knows how much energy, sleepless nights and missed opportunities for personal advancement, in defense of our right to free speech and the exposure of vital truths, to the benefit and enlightenment of us all. That’s unselfishness at it’s best and I think it deserves some signs of appreciation.

So, please, kindly express them.

Hans Krampe

May 17, 2012, Quesnel, B.C. Canada
 
skookumchuck

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Goober said:
Was not this section against McLean's magazine and Ezra and others?
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Sec 13 was used by the HRC's appointed "judges" and investigators with virtually no legal background or training. eg If you were accused by a serial complainant such as Richard Warman and by some slim chance you won, (rare) you still had to pay your own legal expenses. If you lost, the "court" would often assess damages in the thousands of dollars and award it to the plaintiff who had asked for it in the first place. I always found it interesting that a serial complainant who btw is a lawyer was collecting a ton of money for his lonely work to rid Canada of speech he found offensive (odd that he did not seem to visit rabble).
So, effectively, your own government had bypassed their own remedies in the criminal code about hate speech, at least that which was in a gray area to prosecute.
Richard Warman has sued me -- and other conservative bloggers - Ezra Levant
 
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We really do need the thumbs up rating back on OP's.

Colpy said:
Section 13 is dead!

Jonathan Kay: Good riddance to Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act | Full Comment | National Post
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It's about time!!!
Of course, some idiot from the NDP is unhappy:

Re-Education Camp - By Mark Steyn - The Corner - National Review Online
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I'm so surprised! :roll:

The Forbidden History of Unpopular People - YouTube
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Awesome video. Definitely a must watch for so many people here.
 
Goober

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If Hate Laws are not strong enough- Parliament should amend them. Sect 13 was an affront to free speech. It was used - oops - Misused to serve political agendas- shut down free speech.

Human rights complaints against Maclean's magazine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Human rights complaints against Maclean's magazine were filed in December 2007 by Mohamed Elmasry of the Canadian Islamic Congress with the Canadian Human Rights Commission, the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal and the Ontario Human Rights Commission. Maclean's magazine was accused of publishing eighteen Islamophobic articles between January 2005 and July 2007. The articles in question included a column by Mark Steyn titled "The Future Belongs to Islam".[1][2]
The Ontario Human Rights Commission ruled that it did not have the jurisdiction to hear the complaint. The British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal heard the complaint in June 2008 and issued a ruling on October 10, 2008 dismissing the complaint. The Canadian Human Rights Commission dismissed the federal complaint on June 26, 2008 without referring the matter to a tribunal.[3]

Canadian Human Rights Commission free speech controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Centre for Constitutional Studies - Headline Reviews - The Canadian Human Rights Act & Freedom of Speech: On Parliament?s To-Do List?

Canadian Human Rights Commission :: Home :: Resources :: News Room

Criticism

Alan Borovoy, general counsel for the Canadian Civil Liberties Association, has also criticized Section 13(1). He cited an example of the book Hitler's Willing Executioners, which alleges the complicity of German civilians in the Holocaust, and said that the thesis is arguably "likely to expose" German people to contempt, and therefore be a violation of Section 13(1).[1]
Borovoy also noted that under Section 13(1), "Intent is not a requirement, and truth and reasonable belief in the truth is no defence."[1] He has said that when he and other human rights activists advocated the creation of human rights commissions they "never imagined that they might ultimately be used against freedom of speech" [3] and that censorship was not the role he had envisioned for the commissions.[4]
Borovoy further added that:
"Although it's true that they have nailed some genuine hatemongers with it, it has nevertheless been used or threatened to be used against a wide variety of constituencies who don't bear the slightest resemblance to the kind of hatemongers that were originally envisioned: anti-American protesters, French-Canadian nationalists, a film sympathetic to South Africa's Nelson Mandela, a pro-Zionist book, a Jewish community leader, Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses, and even a couple years ago, a pro-Israeli speaker was briefed about the anti-hate law by a police detective before he went in to make a speech."[1]
Borovoy commented that none of these cases resulted in a lasting conviction or property seizure "But only lawyers could be consoled by that."[1]
Linguist and analytic philosopher[5] Noam Chomsky has said about the section, "I think it's outrageous, like the comparable European laws. It's also pure hypocrisy. If it were applied the media and journals would be shut down. They don't expose current enemies of the state to hatred or contempt?"[6]
 
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The Canadian Bar Association's submission on hate speech.
http://www.cba.org/CBA/submissions/pdf/10-03-eng.pdf
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"The CBA supports maintaining section 13, subject to the revisions proposed below. In its submission to the Canadian Human Rights Act Review, we acknowledged that "the promotion of hatred against identifiable groups continues to be a problem in Canada".12 We recommended that "[j]urisdiction over civil remedies for hate speech should be consolidated under the Act." The social evil of promoting hatred against identifiable groups has not diminished in the past decade. Indeed, with the emergence of the internet, its propagation has become more widespread and more sophisticated than in the past. "
 
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First of all legislating against ignorance has its limitations. Those who incite violence or
use bully tactics already have remedies within the context of the law. I think we are now
against some civil rights laws is because the law was not used by authorities all too often
it was misused by the authorities and there in lies the problem. It has strayed a long way
from its original intent.
 
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Spade said:
The Canadian Bar Association's submission on hate speech.
http://www.cba.org/CBA/submissions/pdf/10-03-eng.pdf
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"The CBA supports maintaining section 13, subject to the revisions proposed below. In its submission to the Canadian Human Rights Act Review, we acknowledged that "the promotion of hatred against identifiable groups continues to be a problem in Canada".12 We recommended that "[j]urisdiction over civil remedies for hate speech should be consolidated under the Act." The social evil of promoting hatred against identifiable groups has not diminished in the past decade. Indeed, with the emergence of the internet, its propagation has become more widespread and more sophisticated than in the past. "
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The Foxes complaining about the lock on the henhouse door?
 
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Pull this reply from CBC, thought it spoke volumes.

These HRC’s have the real potential for becoming an inquisitional tool for left wings ideologue’s to protect their pro-gay, pro-radical feminist, and pro-Islamic constituents with trumped up charges against their adversaries on the Christian right. You probably would be hoisted into the HRC’s grip as a comedian telling a lesbian joke...


If Ezra Levant is responsible in part for getting rid of these Orwellian inquisitional tools he deserves a medal.
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..now off to work.. :-(
 
Goober

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Spade said:
The Canadian Bar Association's submission on hate speech.
http://www.cba.org/CBA/submissions/pdf/10-03-eng.pdf
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"The CBA supports maintaining section 13, subject to the revisions proposed below. In its submission to the Canadian Human Rights Act Review, we acknowledged that "the promotion of hatred against identifiable groups continues to be a problem in Canada".12 We recommended that "[j]urisdiction over civil remedies for hate speech should be consolidated under the Act." The social evil of promoting hatred against identifiable groups has not diminished in the past decade. Indeed, with the emergence of the internet, its propagation has become more widespread and more sophisticated than in the past. "
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Put it into courts where the rule of law is followed. Human Rights Tribunals can ignore Canadian Law.
People can still make a police complaint regarding Hate Speech- Then it is up to the Crown as to what action to take.
 
CDNBear

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Spade said:
The Canadian Bar Association's submission on hate speech.
http://www.cba.org/CBA/submissions/pdf/10-03-eng.pdf
Quote:

"The CBA supports maintaining section 13, subject to the revisions proposed below. In its submission to the Canadian Human Rights Act Review, we acknowledged that "the promotion of hatred against identifiable groups continues to be a problem in Canada".12 We recommended that "[j]urisdiction over civil remedies for hate speech should be consolidated under the Act." The social evil of promoting hatred against identifiable groups has not diminished in the past decade. Indeed, with the emergence of the internet, its propagation has become more widespread and more sophisticated than in the past. "
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That's not a legal argument, that's an emotional appeal.
 
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Goober said:
Put it into courts where the rule of law is followed. Human Rights Tribunals can ignore Canadian Law.
People can still make a police complaint regarding Hate Speech- Then it is up to the Crown as to what action to take.
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HRT like the UN i think that too is a joke,it doesn't do crap to stop persecution in other countries.
 
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