The death of personal responsibility

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Garage sale sellers responsible for product safety, Health Canada says

Garage sales face the same responsibilities as legitimate retailers when it comes to screening for banned or unsafe products, Health Canada reminded Canadians in a Tuesday advisory.
“Everyone holding a garage sale in Canada is legally responsible for ensuring that products sold or even given away, whether new or used, are safe and meet current safety standards,” says an instructional video released this week by Health Canada.
The new rule stems from the revised Canada Consumer Product Safety Act, which came into force last June, although similar regulations existed under the previous Hazardous Products Act. The “sweeping” changes, first proposed in 2008, were meant to combat sellers “who care more about the almighty dollar than the safety of their customers,” Prime Minister Stephen Harper said at the time.
“They cut corners and play fast and loose with safety. To these outfits I say: Be warned. You will soon face severe punishment if you willfully expose Canadians to danger,” Mr. Harper told an annual meeting of the Canadian Consumer Specialty Products Association.
‘Be warned. You will soon face severe punishment if you willfully expose Canadians to danger’
As well as allowing Health Canada to impose mandatory product recalls, the act extends vendor responsibility to thrift stores, independent sellers and even people listing free items in online classifieds. Depending on the severity of consumer injury that results, the act allows Health Canada to prosecute anyone who has sold or given away a potentially unsafe item.
According to the Health Canada website, a garage sale is effectively breaking the law if it includes lawn darts, corded blinds, broken toys, toys with powerful magnets, hockey helmets, tiki torches or any product that has been the subject of a recall. Regulations also call for garage sale electronics to be bundled with “instructions for safe use.”


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Garage sale sellers responsible for product safety, Health Canada says

Garage sales face the same responsibilities as legitimate retailers when it comes to screening for banned or unsafe products, Health Canada reminded Canadians in a Tuesday advisory.
“Everyone holding a garage sale in Canada is legally responsible for ensuring that products sold or even given away, whether new or used, are safe and meet current safety standards,” says an instructional video released this week by Health Canada.
The new rule stems from the revised Canada Consumer Product Safety Act, which came into force last June, although similar regulations existed under the previous Hazardous Products Act. The “sweeping” changes, first proposed in 2008, were meant to combat sellers “who care more about the almighty dollar than the safety of their customers,” Prime Minister Stephen Harper said at the time.
“They cut corners and play fast and loose with safety. To these outfits I say: Be warned. You will soon face severe punishment if you willfully expose Canadians to danger,” Mr. Harper told an annual meeting of the Canadian Consumer Specialty Products Association.
‘Be warned. You will soon face severe punishment if you willfully expose Canadians to danger’
As well as allowing Health Canada to impose mandatory product recalls, the act extends vendor responsibility to thrift stores, independent sellers and even people listing free items in online classifieds. Depending on the severity of consumer injury that results, the act allows Health Canada to prosecute anyone who has sold or given away a potentially unsafe item.
According to the Health Canada website, a garage sale is effectively breaking the law if it includes lawn darts, corded blinds, broken toys, toys with powerful magnets, hockey helmets, tiki torches or any product that has been the subject of a recall. Regulations also call for garage sale electronics to be bundled with “instructions for safe use.”


Garage sale sellers responsible for product safety, Health Canada says | News | National Post

And I agree- selling a childs car set that is unsafe is disgusting- Yes I realize it applies to a number of products - Personal responsibility. Would you sell something that could injure kill a child- No - but others would
 

skookumchuck

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I believe my point should come through as opposition to the cradle to the grave agenda so popular with governments these days. If peeps become capable of only marching in step with no thought for their or their children's welfare other than what the gov't dishes out, i see it as a form of domestic self genocide. perhaps not all bad.
 

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If the product was bought with legal safety requirements at the time of sale, it should be resellable. Buyers at garage sales should know the junk they get is not being sold at a retailer and may not meet current standards. If they buy something like car seats or cribs at a garage sale, the resulting thinning of the heard is simply Darwin at work.
 

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And I agree- selling a childs car set that is unsafe is disgusting- Yes I realize it applies to a number of products - Personal responsibility. Would you sell something that could injure kill a child- No - but others would

Can you explain how a car seat that met gov't standards in 2010, but doesn't meet the 2012 standard, would be 'something that would kill or injure a child', and why selling it at a garage sale is different from selling it last year at Walmart?
 

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I'm of two minds about this law. Who is to say the article bought at a garage sale is going to be used in the way it was originally intended? Let's say for instance it's a door but the buyer likes the wood and is going to sand it down and varnish it for use as a table.
Maybe an old baby's crib is sold and bought cheap for a source of dowells. I think the law is presumtuous to say the least. More work for bureaucrats I guess!
 

The Old Medic

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Sheer and utter stupidity! And some people have questioned why I choose NOT to live in Canada, even though I am a citizen. This kind of governmental crap is exactly why!
 

gerryh

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And some people have questioned why I choose NOT to live in Canada, even though I am a citizen.

And I thank the powers that be for this.



There is no way for someone to know for sure if a car seat has been involved in an accident or not. Therefore it is not legal to sell or give away used car seats. That is why if you do sell or give away an item that turns out to be unsafe that you are held RESPONIBLE for the consequences. Sounds to me like some of you dnt like taking responsibility for your own actions. The American/fake Canadian I'm not surprised with though.
 

damngrumpy

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A car seat may no long meet safety standards of today, because its shortcomings
are discovered with time. A revised product fixes the problem and sells a new and
improved one.
I would normally say oh for heaven sake, that is, until a friend of ours, actually a
distant relative had her first baby. Her mother bought a play pen at a yard sale.
Nothing wrong with that it was in great shape. The only problem is, it had a design
flaw and had been withdrawn from the market. Anyway while visiting she put the
little guy in for a nap while visiting out of town. She poked her head into the room
just to be sure, the child was already dead. It didn't make a noise when it collapsed
it just slid down and the little guy died.
After this experience I believe if you are dealing in items that might be a problem the
seller should check to make sure they meet standards or have been the subject of a
recall.
Stores and manufacturers cannot sell products that are not safe, and someone has
to be responsible. At least someone has to be responsible enough not to sell an item
that could kill a child. This law is not about personal freedom, its about life and death
 

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Can you explain how a car seat that met gov't standards in 2010, but doesn't meet the 2012 standard, would be 'something that would kill or injure a child', and why selling it at a garage sale is different from selling it last year at Walmart?

The regs changed - Improved safety for children - I have no problem with that.
 

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The regs changed - Improved safety for children - I have no problem with that.

Then why is it still safe to use them for your kids? Should the law not require you to immediately change your car seat since the old one is no longer safe? If it is not safe for resale it is logically not safe for your kid anymore either.

Of course the socialist way to do this is for the government to buy back all the used car seats thus removing them from garage sales and allowing you to change yours every 4 months when the regulations change. Or better yet, the government can rent car seats exclusively and you get yours with your kids birth certificate.
 

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Then why is it still safe to use them for your kids? Should the law not require you to immediately change your car seat since the old one is no longer safe? If it is not safe for resale it is logically not safe for your kid anymore either.

Of course the socialist way to do this is for the government to buy back all the used car seats thus removing them from garage sales and allowing you to change yours every 4 months when the regulations change. Or better yet, the government can rent car seats exclusively and you get yours with your kids birth certificate.

This is a matter where a line has to be drawn, as it's absolutely ridiculous to be buying new car seats every 5 minutes. More important than the ACTUAL safety is being aware of any potentially unsafe aspects. Like any product improvements are continuously being made. What is important is when you upgrade make sure you buy the most up to date model.
 

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Then why is it still safe to use them for your kids? Should the law not require you to immediately change your car seat since the old one is no longer safe? If it is not safe for resale it is logically not safe for your kid anymore either.

Of course the socialist way to do this is for the government to buy back all the used car seats thus removing them from garage sales and allowing you to change yours every 4 months when the regulations change. Or better yet, the government can rent car seats exclusively and you get yours with your kids birth certificate.

Does the law permit use of recalled car seats?

Myself I am not sure what the laws permits- I am not sure on this but car seats have a shelf life- good for so many years???

Would you sell an unsafe seat? - I would say no - others would -

It is public knowledge when new regs are coming in for car seats.

Please read DG's post -

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/roadsafety/safedrivers-childsafety-notices-2011c01-1168.htm

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/roadsafety/safedrivers-childsafety-roles-894.htm

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/roadsafety/safedrivers-childsafety-links-index-897.htm
 
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JLM

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Once the "safer" model comes out find out what exactly is wrong with the previous model. There is a good chance it is something you can fix yourself with a little duct tape, speed sew etc. etc. A lot of the "safer" b.s. may well just be another marketing tool. We all know the honesty of sales men and marketers is right there in the "wagon rut" with politicians.
 

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Once the "safer" model comes out find out what exactly is wrong with the previous model. There is a good chance it is something you can fix yourself with a little duct tape, speed sew etc. etc. A lot of the "safer" b.s. may well just be another marketing tool. We all know the honesty of sales men and marketers is right there in the "wagon rut" with politicians.

Recalled seats that need mods the company provides the materials free of charge. And the regs do not change every 5 minutes.
 

gerryh

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Amazing how stupidity reigns.


It is illegal to sell or give away used car seats because there is no way of knowing if that car seat has been in an accident. Do you all understand that or are ya,s all too dense?

It has nothing to do with newer seats being "safer", and if you idiots had done your research before you all started mouthing off you would know the reasons.
 

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New and improved has nothing to do with this, if it is for your own use and you personally
purchased it new. It is when you are reselling it to someone else not knowing if it has
been a recalled item or as gerry put it quite well, has been in an accident.
Besides possibly being liable for injury or death, how would you feel if you sold an item at
a yard sale that had been recalled and a baby died because of it? Making a few bucks
would not even enter into the conscience of it, even if you honestly didn't know.
Besides all the hype and the personal rights and regulatory nonsense that goes on there
are a lot of people, thank God most people that have never had a kid die in your arms or
in its crib. Those feelings don't even enter into the equation when that happens, ask me
I've been there. Mind you it was over forty years ago, but one does not forget it.
I have a lot of questions for a lot of regulations, but not when it comes to children.
 

Kreskin

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How can someone be 'personally responsible' for buying a product at a garage sale? No one knows what's coming out for sale until it's there and the sale lasts for a day. It isn't like everyone carries the last 10 years of consumer digest with them to a flea market. Is there a money-back guarantee if a recall is discovered after the fact? Of course not. The seller has had ample opportunity to do some homework prior to the garage sale. The seller should be accountable.