Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy
Israel has an area (including East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights) of 21,920 sq kilometers which they are trying to defend from outsiders.
The entire Arab Peninsula is 3,237,500 sq kilometers 140 TIMES the size of Israel.....from which the Muslims wish to expunge all Jews.
WHO has to have it all their own way????
What a ridiculous argument. Few Jews lived on the Saudi Peninsula and those that did, didn't have any problems with their Arab neighbors until after Zionists started an ethnic cleansing war to cleanse Palestine of Palestinians. The fact is in 1946, Jews owned and lived on a small fraction of what is today Israel. Most Jews in Israel live on land taken by force from Palestinians through deliberate ethnic cleansing.
I'm pretty sure I can find all kinds of references of Colpy where supports the right of people to defend themselves from attack, even resorting to lethal force if necessary. Yet Colpy still won't comment when Israelis attack Palestinian civilians. Suddenly Colpy has no opinion, regarding the right of people to defend themselves.
I could imagine how Colpy would react if his house was suddenly surrounded by an angry mob intent on burning his house and killing his family, because he wasn't the same religion as them.
Hebron December 4-5, 2008
Here's video evidence where you can clearly see a mob of Israeli settlers destroying Palestinian homes and property in Hebron's a-Ras neighborhood:
Hebron Willful abandonment by security forces - YouTube
Question to Colpy: What would you do if that was your house? Would you hide inside and wait for the mob to go away, hoping they don't set your house on fire?
A few soldiers came and chased them off, but they made no arrests or carried out any investigation. Instead the settlers moved on to other Palestinian houses. Later they came back and finished their work. For the rest of that day and well into the night, Jewish settlers torched Palestinian houses and cars. They threw stones, shattered windowpanes, and damaged solar-heated water tanks, satellite dishes, and water containers.
You can see some of the fires burning clearly in this video:
Hebron Willful abandonment by security forces 2 - YouTube
During that riot or "pogrom", a group of Palestinians come out to defend their homes from being set on fire. Three Palestinians are shot by Israeli settlers:
Visual Settler shooting of Palestinians in Hebron - YouTube
You can read the details here:
www.btselem.org/settler_viole...0_hebron_riots (external - login to view)
Initially the police and military never charged a single Israeli settler. They never investigated any of the above violence, even though the next morning many homes were smoldering ruins. Later one settler was charged, but only after Btselem posted the above video on the internet. Later the charges were dropped:
Charges Dropped Against Settler Filmed Shooting Palestinians - YouTube
Few Israeli settlers are ever held accountable for attacking and even killing Palestinians, let alone destroying Palestinian property.
BTW, Israeli laws effectively prevent Palestinians from legally building new homes. So if the settlers burns a Palestinian home and the owners are too poor to rebuild it right away, they risk having their property declared abandoned and expropriated by the the Zionist State of Israel. Jewish settlers know they are potentially making Palestinians homeless when they try to destroy their homes. Jewish settlers refer to their violent destruction of Palestinian homes as "redeeming the land". Every human rights group including Jewish and Israeli ones call there actions ethnic cleansing.
Here is another story from the same day.
Question to Colpy: What would you do if this was your house and family?
December 5, 2008
An innocent Palestinian family, numbering close to 20 people. All of them women and children, save for three men. Surrounding them are a few dozen masked Jews seeking to lynch them. A pogrom. This isn't a play on words or a double meaning. It is a pogrom in the worst sense of the word. First the masked men set fire to their laundry in the front yard and then they tried to set fire to one of the rooms in the house. The women cry for help, "Allahu Akhbar." Yet the neighbors are too scared to approach the house, frightened of the security guards from Kiryat Arba who have sealed off the home and who are cursing the journalists who wish to document the events unfolding there.
The cries rain down, much like the hail of stones the masked men hurled at the Abu Sa'afan family in the house. A few seconds tick by before a group of journalists, long accustomed to witnessing these difficult moments, decide not to stand on the sidelines. They break into the home and save the lives of the people inside. The brain requires a minute or two to digest what is taking place. Women and children crying bitterly, their faces giving off an expression of horror, sensing their imminent deaths, begging the journalists to save their lives. Stones land on the roof of the home, the windows and the doors. Flames engulf the southern entrance to the home. The front yard is littered with stones thrown by the masked men. The windows are shattered and the children are frightened. All around, as if they were watching a rock concert, are hundreds of Jewish witnesses, observing the events with great interest, even offering suggestions to the Jewish wayward youth as to the most effective way to harm the family. And the police are not to be seen. Nor is the army...
The rest here:
ANALYSIS / Hebron settler riots were out and out pogroms - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News (external - login to view)
I can't see how anyone can support the above, which is why daily discrimination and violence against Palestinians seldom makes our news.
BTW, the above references are Btselem (An Israeli human rights group) and Haaretz, (an Israeli national newspaper.) The verdict was reported by The Global Report TV, a non-profit, independent news program, which covers news under-reported by mainstream media.
Last edited by earth_as_one; Mar 25th, 2012 at 06:17 PM..