Recent immigrants make less, Kenney wrong


dumpthemonarchy
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Underperforming immigrants to Canada will continue to arrive as multiculturalism taints immigration policy. This is an area that needs less, not more, "managing" from all levels of govt. You see, they are pushing the economic string here, rather than drawing people who can work right away. People who will come to Canada from all walks of life to fill jobs that are vacant.



Recent immigrants make less money than Canadians: study (external - login to view)




Recent immigrants make less money than Canadians: study







By Peter O'Neil, Postmedia News March 15, 2012






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Jocelyne Nyandwi takes the oath during a citizenship ceremony in Ottawa in this June 2011 file photo. Immigration Minister Jason Kenney's assertion that very recent immigrants are performing much better economically is incorrect, according to a new Fraser Institute analysis to be made public Thursday.

Photograph by: Jana Chytilova , Ottawa Citizen




OTTAWA Immigration Minister Jason Kenney's assertion that very recent immigrants are performing much better economically is incorrect, according to a new Fraser Institute analysis to be made public Thursday.


Economists Herbert Grubel and Patrick Grady issued their report, obtained exclusively by Postmedia News, to refute assertions from two Simon Fraser University academics who critiqued a Grubel-Grady analysis last year.


That 2011 paper, also published by the Fraser Institute, found that immigrants who arrived between 1987 and 2004 cost the economy about $16 billion annually.


The analysis was based on total taxes paid weighed against overall costs for programs such as health and education.

The new analysis, which defends that calculation, also took issue with Kenney's comments in a December interview with Postmedia News.


Kenney said he doesn't disagree with the Grubel-Grady arguments that immigrants' incomes and employment levels over the past quarter-century have been in decline.


But Kenney said their conclusions are based on dated statistics that don't take into account Conservative reforms to bring in skilled workers who can better adapt to the Canadian economy.


"The most recent data that I find really exciting indicates a significant turnaround in economic results for immigrants in the past three years in particular," Kenney said in December.


But the new paper from Grubel and Grady cited recent figures from the Statistics Canada Labour Force Survey showing that the average hourly earnings of immigrants who had been in Canada for five or fewer years in 2010 were $6.30 below comparable Canadian-born workers.


The statistics also showed that very recent immigrants had an unemployment rate rise to almost 15 per cent from 11 per cent between 2008-10.


The jobless rate for Canadian-born workers rose only to 6.1 per cent from 4.5 per cent over the same period.


"Far from making our estimate of the fiscal burden obsolete or just too high, these new data suggest that we may in fact, be underestimating it," Grubel and Grady argued in the new analysis.


The Fraser Institute report was prompted by two Simon Fraser University economists who produced data last year to refute the assertion that immigrants are a burden on society.


Krishna Pendakur and Mohsen Javdani found that the burden was roughly $2 billion a year rather than $16 billion, and that immigrants eventually would be net contributors.


"If you look at the longer term, these immigrants are going to contribute through higher incomes and paying higher taxes," Javdani told the Burnaby Now newspaper.


But their report included immigrants dating back to 1970 and excluded, in the calculation of "public goods" that are "consumed" by Canadians, defence spending.


The new Fraser Institute report says going back to 1970 isn't valid because far more immigrants came from the U.S. and Europe from 1970 to the late 1980s.


Visible minority immigrants, who have made up a much higher percentage of newcomers, "have had much more difficulty than others competing in the Canadian job market," according to the authors.


The report also said defence spending should be included because the North Atlantic Treaty Organization sets its expectations for military spending based on percentage of gross domestic product, which is hugely influenced by population levels.


The new report rejects the argument of federal and provincial politicians, and many in the business community, that Canada needs to maintain immigration at around a quarter-million people a year to combat labour shortages.

The authors say the demand for immigrants is being driven by the private sector.


"The immigrants keep wages down, which raises their profits and allows them to avoid the need to invest in the training of Canadian-born workers and labour-saving capital and technology."


The report also argues that high immigration levels also exacerbate labour shortages, since high numbers fuel demand for public services such as housing, health care, education, and infrastructure such as roads and sanitation.


They said adding 250,000 newcomers annually over the next decade will require an additional 5,329 physicians.


They will have to be found when governments are scrambling to deal with the impact of baby boom doctors retiring at a time when an aging population prompts greater demands on the medical system.





 
Cliffy
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Fraser Institute!? Man are you stretching to support your racist crap!

"Trollin' Trollin" Trollin' on the river." (apologies to CCR)
 
TenPenny
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Oh, look. Not only is it an anti immigrant dumpy thread, but it's illustrated with a colored person. How predictable is that?
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Fraser Institute!? Man are you stretching to support your racist crap!

"Trollin' Trollin" Trollin' on the river." (apologies to CCR)

It vas the Cons who came out and defended Immigrants who as Dump the Racist calls them non contributors to the net income of the Govt - The Mother who is sponsored who provides child care so both parents can work

But Dump is a lesser type of humanity, not a sub human, just a despicable sort due to his hatred.
 
damngrumpy
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Yup we show those colored faces, don't want those in the country no sirree. How much nonsense
can come from this individual. What happened no negative reports about natives this week?
 
dumpthemonarchy
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

It vas the Cons who came out and defended Immigrants who as Dump the Racist calls them non contributors to the net income of the Govt - The Mother who is sponsored who provides child care so both parents can work

But Dump is a lesser type of humanity, not a sub human, just a despicable sort due to his hatred.

Goober the loser.

Wow, some dysfunctional people on this thread. I'm sure people from Asia and Africa who have a smattering of English will get those good marketing jobs always being advertised, right up their alley. Plus, those poor countries must have great engineers to give us, as if they don't need the development. Or they'll get those factory jobs-oops, the USA is in a slump, the demand is gone for exports to there. Don't worry, just be narrowminded.

I'd like the $6000 a year it costs to subsidize each immigrant given to mothers who have kids, to me, our taxes lowered or the debt reduced.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

To Goober, from the loser.

FIFY.

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Wow, some dysfunctional people on this thread.

Nope, you're alone.
 
dumpthemonarchy
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

FIFY.

Nope, you're alone.

As usual, nothing significant to contribute.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

As usual, nothing significant to contribute.

It's good to see you admit that you have nothing significant to contribute. But you don't really have to post it.

It's already well known.

You should go back to your anti native threads and post more nonsense. I like making fun of your lack of education.
 
dumpthemonarchy
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

It's good to see you admit that you have nothing significant to contribute. But you don't really have to post it.

It's already well known.

You should go back to your anti native threads and post more nonsense. I like making fun of your lack of education.

Goober the loser has loser friends.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

To Goober, from the loser, has no loser friends.

Fixed it for you.
Last edited by CDNBear; Mar 16th, 2012 at 06:19 PM..
 
dumpthemonarchy
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I think someone else got fixed a while back.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

I think someone else got fixed a while back.

Obviously not your mother. What a shame that is.
 
dumpthemonarchy
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But back to our topic. Immigrants can come from anywhere, but the current system sucks as the economy slows down. It was never at the same high levels. 250,000 per year, regardless of economic conditions.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

But back to our topic.

Didn't mean to interupt your racist crap...

Carry on.

I wouldn't want you to stop, your idiocy is highly entertaining.
 
dumpthemonarchy
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Obviously not your mother. What a shame that is.

The tribal mentality brings relatives into the discussion, because that is all the tribal mind understands. Cheap and sad. lol!!!!!!!!

I WIN
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

The tribal mentality brings relatives into the discussion, because that is all the tribal mind understands.

Really? Is that why you can't understand the facts that have been used to PWN you over and over?

I didn't know you were tribal.

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Cheap and sad. lol!!!!!!!!

Yes, yes you are.

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I WIN

Just like Sheen. Without all the ho's, coke and money.
 
dumpthemonarchy
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Obviously not your mother. What a shame that is.

It doesn't matter how old you are, where you come from, how long you've worked, how much money you have, or your time time in school, you have no class at all.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

It doesn't matter how old you are, where you come from, how long you've worked, how much money you have, or your time time in school, you have no class at all.

I have no class with regards to you.

You aren't worth the effort.

But speaking of no class. Is that how you got that claimed history degree?
 
dumpthemonarchy
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Kenney sees votes for himself every time he eats another bowl of curry, yet the facts work against him here. He would rail against govt control like a good conservative, but this is fake, these are clients of the govt he has no trouble with. Along with pensions he wants to give elderly immigrants entering Canada for their vote, he like bogus conservative just see the national treasury as a Tory piggy bank. Arrogant with power already, too bad.
 
Niflmir
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It is a well known fact (amongst immigration researchers) that first generation immigrants make less money (on average) than native born citizens.

It is just as well known that second generation immigrants make more money (on average) than native born citizens.
 
dumpthemonarchy
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The first generation are glad to be here, know what they have to do to work, and their kids reap the benefit of being born here and know more of the ins and outs of the country from day one. This advantage may decline though as ethnic ghettos increase in number and size as less integration occurs. What was conventional wisdom in the old days may not be in the future due to jet travel and the internet.
 
Niflmir
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Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

The first generation are glad to be here, know what they have to do to work, and their kids reap the benefit of being born here and know more of the ins and outs of the country from day one. This advantage may decline though as ethnic ghettos increase in number and size as less integration occurs. What was conventional wisdom in the old days may not be in the future due to jet travel and the internet.

Do you consider the Chinatown in Vancouver to be an ethnic ghetto?
 
dumpthemonarchy
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Quote: Originally Posted by NiflmirView Post

Do you consider the Chinatown in Vancouver to be an ethnic ghetto?

Sure, it's a famous one. It was called the largest Chinatown in Canada years ago and it was no big deal. But it's not a ghetto like it used to be as Asians are assimilating in a way they weren't permitted to decades ago. Ghetto means isolation from the larger community around you, persecution and hopelessness. Do we want that in Canada? Why would we encourage it?

We don't have to agree with the federal doctrine of multiculturalism, the fed govt is not the Roman Catholic church where opponents are heretics and can be excommunicated or worse. What seemed like a nice feel good idea years ago, has become a guillitine to debate about it.
 
Durry
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It only makes sense that recent immigrants would make less than the avg Canadian, they are mostly brought here to do the jobs Canadians will not do.
We should be more selective on which countries we immigrate people from.
 
dumpthemonarchy
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Quote: Originally Posted by DurryView Post

It only makes sense that recent immigrants would make less than the avg Canadian, they are mostly brought here to do the jobs Canadians will not do.
We should be more selective on which countries we immigrate people from.

Not so, Since the crash in the Irish housing market in 2008, many skilled tradespeople are coming to Canada, an Irish plumber worked on the pipes in my basement.
TheSpec - Canadian immigration feeling the luck o (external - login to view)

People from Asia and Africa are taking those undesireable jobs and no jobs to increase unemployment, as unskilled jobs are getting fewer and fewer in this information age economy.
 

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