U.S. soldier kills up to 16 Afghan civilians


CDNBear
#211
Quote: Originally Posted by AriadneView Post

According to medical doctors and psychologists, there was nothing wrong with him when he was trained as a sniper in 2008, after the head injury.

Your link doesn't say that. Most of them don't. They elude to the fact that he cleared sniper psych, before the accident.

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It's absurd to look for anything in the guy's past to excuse what he did.

Who's excusing?

Your head injury impeding your ability to stick to reality?
 
Goober
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#212
Quote: Originally Posted by AriadneView Post

I posted a link upthread. The guy had a head injury, possibly from a car accident, and after the accident he was cleared physically and psychologically. According to medical doctors and psychologists, there was nothing wrong with him when he was trained as a sniper in 2008, after the head injury. It's absurd to look for anything in the guy's past to excuse what he did.



The US practices capital punishment ... so what's the problem?

Something caused him to snap - he has had a number of tours in Iraq. While you are ready to Judge, sentence and execute.

Me I will wait for the trial.
 
CDNBear
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#213
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Something caused him to snap - he has had a number of tours in Iraq. While you are ready to Judge, sentence and execute.

Me I will wait for the trial.

But it's the Americans Goobs. They don't get no stinkin' trials, when the usual Suspects get involved.
 
lone wolf
#214
Quote: Originally Posted by AriadneView Post

It's absurd to look for anything in the guy's past to excuse what he did.

You're right. Sniper training doesn't include blowing away whole families willy-nilly....
 
EagleSmack
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#215
Quote: Originally Posted by AriadneView Post

The US practices capital punishment ... so what's the problem?

The whole US?

So are you for capital punishment?

Oh so much better behaved!

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Hypocrites
 
Ariadne
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#216
I seem to have a different perspective on soldiers. My perspective comes from reading the autobiography of my grandmother's grandfather, who was a General under Napoleon, my father, who was a lieutenant, my son in law, who has had several tours in Afghanistan ... and so on. I see no reason to pamper a murderer, but that's just me.
 
Ocean Breeze
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WASHINGTON The American staff sergeant suspected of killing 16 Afghan villagers had been drinking alcohol on the night of the massacre a violation of military rules in combat zones and suffering from the stress related to his fourth combat tour and tensions with his wife about the deployments, a senior American official said Thursday

www.nytimes.com/2012/03/16/wo...s.html?_r=1&hp (external - login to view)


Is all this starting to build his "defense"????

Wonder what kind of stress the Afghans are put through on a daily basis as they contend with a protracted war with these "incidents" happening with monotonous frequency.

What about the families affected by this crime??
 
Ariadne
#218
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

www.nytimes.com/2012/03/16/wo...s.html?_r=1&hp (external - login to view)


Is all this starting to build his "defense"????

Wonder what kind of stress the Afghans are put through on a daily basis as they contend with a protracted war with these "incidents" happening with monotonous frequency.

What about the families affected by this crime??

That's what's been swirling around in the news these last few days ... drunk, upset about his marriage, head injury prior to being physically and psychologically cleared to be trained as a sniper ... the poor soldier ... it's not his fault.
 
Goober
#219
Quote: Originally Posted by AriadneView Post

I seem to have a different perspective on soldiers. My perspective comes from reading the autobiography of my grandmother's grandfather, who was a General under Napoleon, my father, who was a lieutenant, my son in law, who has had several tours in Afghanistan ... and so on. I see no reason to pamper a murderer, but that's just me.

How many Soldiers have you met with PTSD?

Also please update yourself with the atrocities committed during the Napoleonic Wars.

The Autobiography you read did it have those details in it?
 
EagleSmack
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#220
Quote: Originally Posted by PraxiusView Post


Our troops hand over their area to the US after years of at least "Trying" to not kill innocent people in their homes and treating them like human beings.... and they go and fk it all up just as I expected they would.

Winning the Hearts and Minds were you Prax?

JTF2 command 'encouraged' war crimes, soldier alleges - Canada - CBC News



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How dare they whine and bitch about getting carpet bombed and rolled over the a superior military force, oppressed and occupied, then their buddies come along to help occupy and oppress them with a smile for over a decade +,

Did someone say "carpet bombing"?

 
Ariadne
#221
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

You're right. Sniper training doesn't include blowing away whole families willy-nilly....

Nothing excuses what this man did - no bumps on the head, buckets of beer, sad marital life ... nothing. He's a mass murderer that should be treated accordingly and, in my opinion, he should have faced the consequences of his murderous rampage in the country where he committed it.
 
lone wolf
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#222
Quote: Originally Posted by AriadneView Post

I seem to have a different perspective on soldiers. My perspective comes from reading the autobiography of my grandmother's grandfather, who was a General under Napoleon, my father, who was a lieutenant, my son in law, who has had several tours in Afghanistan ... and so on. I see no reason to pamper a murderer, but that's just me.

Who's being pampered? Seems he's already been tried and found guilty and the whole US military sentenced to the scorn of a few computer-chair gawdz.
 
Ariadne
#223
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

How many Soldiers have you met with PTSD?

Also please update yourself with the atrocities committed during the Napoleonic Wars.

The Autobiography you read did it have those details in it?

The autobiography I read has all those details of war ... including when soldiers are killed by their own general for being out of order - none of this "bump on the head" nonsense.

I suspect every soldier has some form of PTSD.
 
Goober
#224
Quote: Originally Posted by AriadneView Post

Nothing excuses what this man did - no bumps on the head, buckets of beer, sad marital life ... nothing. He's a mass murderer that should be treated accordingly and, in my opinion, he should have faced the consequences of his murderous rampage in the country where he committed it.

Having a problem with the questions I asked.

If you go into a discussion, drop names etc, be prepared. Clearly you are not, clearly you do not like the reality, Clearly you are ill informed.
 
lone wolf
#225
Quote: Originally Posted by AriadneView Post

Nothing excuses what this man did - no bumps on the head, buckets of beer, sad marital life ... nothing. He's a mass murderer that should be treated accordingly and, in my opinion, he should have faced the consequences of his murderous rampage in the country where he committed it.

Look back to Post #19
 
Ariadne
#226
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

Who's being pampered? Seems he's already been tried and found guilty and the whole US military sentenced to the scorn of a few computer-chair gawdz.

Is there any question that he entered the homes of sleeping children and shot them before burning them?
 
lone wolf
#227
Quote: Originally Posted by AriadneView Post

Is there any question that he entered the homes of sleeping children and shot them before burning them?

I wasn't there. Were you?
 
Ariadne
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#228
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

I wasn't there. Were you?

According to that reasoning, it didn't happen.
 
Goober
#229
Quote: Originally Posted by AriadneView Post

Is there any question that he entered the homes of sleeping children and shot them before burning them?

Is there any question he may have snapped.

What trade is your son in law?

How many tours

Where in afghanistan?
 
EagleSmack
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#230
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

Who's being pampered? Seems he's already been tried and found guilty and the whole US military sentenced to the scorn of a few computer-chair gawdz.

I guess nothing short of being handed over to the Afghans to have his head sawed off is being "pampered".
 
Ocean Breeze
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#231
Quote: Originally Posted by AriadneView Post

That's what's been swirling around in the news these last few days ... drunk, upset about his marriage, head injury prior to being physically and psychologically cleared to be trained as a sniper ... the poor soldier ... it's not his fault.

Exactly!! watch the spin begin. By the time the spin doctors get finished , the loyalists will make him into a hero. How anyone can even begin to justify or rationalize this conduct is beyond any human comprehension. It is just arrogance.

Can you imagine what the US would do (and has done) when the troops are ambushed or shot at en masse?? They come back at the offenders twice fold with as much savagery as is possible.

This is an example of how the US views itself and its almost omnipotent role on the planet. (nothing but a sick delusion which is causing such rage at the US ......that the US can use as an excuse for more protracted wars. )

This CRIMINAL was out of control by choice. He drank by choice and everything that followed was by choice. The alcohol just liberated him enough to follow through on the most dastardly act in the past few months.

If he could not handle being a military member......then he should not be in that profession. Of course the War loving regime is to blame too.
 
lone wolf
#232
Quote: Originally Posted by AriadneView Post

According to that reasoning, it didn't happen.

Case closed then. Have a nice day
 
EagleSmack
#233
Quote: Originally Posted by AriadneView Post

Nothing excuses what this man did - no bumps on the head, buckets of beer, sad marital life ... nothing. He's a mass murderer that should be treated accordingly and, in my opinion, he should have faced the consequences of his murderous rampage in the country where he committed it.

So you're for Capital Punishment?
 
Ariadne
#234
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Is there any question he may have snapped.

What trade is your son in law?

How many tours

Where in afghanistan?

Special opps ... sorry, info about where and when isn't available.
 
EagleSmack
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#235
Quote: Originally Posted by AriadneView Post

I seem to have a different perspective on soldiers. My perspective comes from reading the autobiography of my grandmother's grandfather, who was a General under Napoleon, .

Ahh... so you have a war criminal in your family. You must be proud!
 
Ocean Breeze
#236
Quote: Originally Posted by AriadneView Post

According to that reasoning, it didn't happen.

Exactly..........amazing how weak their arguments are as they support or try to excuse the most atrocious acts........just because it was a military person that committed this atrocity. This has to be a bi product of serious hero worship.

Talk about wearing blinders. Anyone that cannot be objective about these incidents and see both the immediate picture and the larger picture........are not in the position to even discuss them........due to partiality ..
 
Ariadne
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#237
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Exactly!! watch the spin begin. By the time the spin doctors get finished , the loyalists will make him into a hero. How anyone can even begin to justify or rationalize this conduct is beyond any human comprehension. It is just arrogance.

Can you imagine what the US would do (and has done) when the troops are ambushed or shot at en masse?? They come back at the offenders twice fold with as much savagery as is possible.

This is an example of how the US views itself and its almost omnipotent role on the planet. (nothing but a sick delusion which is causing such rage at the US ......that the US can use as an excuse for more protracted wars. )

This CRIMINAL was out of control by choice. He drank by choice and everything that followed was by choice. The alcohol just liberated him enough to follow through on the most dastardly act in the past few months.

If he could not handle being a military member......then he should not be in that profession. Of course the War loving regime is to blame too.

If he really had emotional problems or a bump on the head he should have been discharged, not sent to Afghanistan. The military has strict testing that is regularly done to screen out anyone with any kind of problems. If there was a problem, it should have been detected and dealt with.

Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

So you're for Capital Punishment?

How did you come up with that?

This man is from a country that practices capital punishment and he committed mass murder in a country that practices capital punishment. What's the problem?
 
lone wolf
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#238
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Exactly..........amazing how weak their arguments are as they support or try to excuse the most atrocious acts........just because it was a military person that committed this atrocity. This has to be a bi product of serious hero worship.

Talk about wearing blinders. Anyone that cannot be objective about these incidents and see both the immediate picture and the larger picture........are not in the position to even discuss them........due to partiality ..

Thank God you never sit in judgement of anything more serious than whether to sugar your coffee or not. Where is YOUR objectivity? Peace lover my ***....
 
Goober
#239
Quote: Originally Posted by AriadneView Post

Special opps ... sorry, info about where and when isn't available.

Bull Ffn Sht - Name the unit.
 
Ariadne
#240
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Ahh... so you have a war criminal in your family. You must be proud!

How did you come up with that?
 
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