U.S. soldier kills up to 16 Afghan civilians


earth_as_one
#31
I'd say the US legal system is murky when it comes to US soldiers killing civilians. Take this case where US marines deliberately killed innocent civilians:

The Haditha killings (also called the Haditha incident or the Haditha massacre) refers to the incident in which 24 unarmed Iraqi men, women and children were killed by a group of United States Marines on November 19, 2005 in Haditha, a city in the western Iraqi province of Al Anbar. All those killed were civilians[1]. The dead included several children and elderly people, who were shot multiple times at close range while unarmed....An initial Marine Corps communique reported that 15 civilians were killed by the bomb's blast and eight insurgents were subsequently killed when the Marines returned fire against those attacking the convoy.....Time magazine reporter's questions prompted the United States military to open an investigation into the incident. The investigation claimed it found evidence that "supports accusations that U.S. Marines deliberately shot civilians, including unarmed men, women and children",...

Iraq Haditha Massacre Shocking Story of Marines Killing Iraq - YouTube



On April 17, 2007, the Marine Corps dropped all charges against Sgt. Sanick P. De la Cruz in exchange for his testimony. Seven other Marines involved in the incident have also been granted immunity.[56]

On August 9, 2007, all charges against Lance Cpl. Justin Sharratt and Capt. Randy Stone were dropped.[43] On October 19, Lance Cpl. Justin Sharratt's commanding officer decided the charges should be lowered to involuntary manslaughter, reckless endangerment and aggravated assault.[10]

On September 18, 2007, all charges against Captain Lucas McConnell were dropped in exchange for immunity and his cooperation with the investigation.[57]

On March 28, 2008, all charges against LCpl. Stephen Tatum were dropped.[58]

On June 17, 2008, all charges against Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani were dismissed by the military judge citing unlawful command influence.[59] The Marine Corps appealed that ruling in 2008.[60] On March 17, 2009, a military appeals court upheld the dismissal of the war crimes charges against Chessani.[61] Facing an administrative Board of Inquiry, it also found no misconduct and recommended that Chessani be allowed to retire without loss of rank.[62]

On June 5, 2008, 1stLt Andrew Grayson was acquitted of all charges stemming from the Haditha incident. He had been charged with deleting photos of the deceased Iraqis in order to obstruct the investigation. He had also been charged with failing to notify the Marine Corps administrative chain of command of his legal status when his term of service was expired and he was discharged from the Marine Corps.[63]

The court martial (external - login to view) of Wuterich, the only defendant to stand trial for the Haditha killings, took place in January 2012. During the trial Sgt. Sanick Dela Cruz testified that he urinated on the skull of one of the dead Iraqis.[64] (external - login to view) He also testified, after describing how Wuterich shot the passengers of the car himself from close range, "Sergeant Wuterich approached me and told me if anyone asks, the Iraqis were running away from the car and the Iraqi army shot them".[65] (external - login to view) In a plea deal, Wuterich pled guilty to dereliction of duty (external - login to view), while charges of assault and manslaughter were dropped.[16] (external - login to view) He was convicted of a single count of negligent dereliction of duty on January 24, 2012, receiving a rank reduction and pay cut but avoiding jail time.[13] (external - login to view)

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Which begs the question:

Oprah: Why do they hate us so much?

Madeleine: I think it's partly because we are who we are. They don't believe in our system of government. The Taliban hate us because we believe in equality for women. And we could assume that Osama bin Laden might hate Americans because he thinks our presence in the Middle East has desanctified sacred land. So there are different reasons. There have been very interesting discussions about whether the terrorists who attacked the United States are crazy. I'm willing to buy that they're not irrational, they're just determined in their version of fanaticism.

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lone wolf
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#32
This isn't about every bad thing you can dig up. It's about ONE specific incident. To cloud the issue is to propagandize it.
 
Serryah
+3 / -1
#33
At the start of this whole fiasco after 9/11, I was all for going to Afghanistan to take care of things. Then that started to falter as time went on, Bush forgot bin Laden and left the soldiers there to rot.

Now, I'm all for getting the troops out. Screw the Afghans; they don't want our help, they don't want to progress and they don't want to do anything except complain about everything. Even if our guys do good, they've got something to bitch about. Fine, we get the hint, leaving.

I feel sorry for anyone there that wishes for change, that wants it, but if they want it that bad, they should GTFO before the soldiers pull out because when they do, it's going to all go back to hell.

As for this guy who killed the civilians; put him to trial, find him guilty, and end his life just like the US has done to any other psycho mass murderer. Just because he's a soldier doesn't exempt him. Sure he could have snapped, quite logical really, but because of this, every soldier over there is more at risk for death now more than ever. He didn't just kill sixteen people, but because of his actions, anyone else on the coalition side after.

Time to go; and when the Afghans start whining and bitching about how the world abandoned them and oh their poor people and poor children, tell them they brought this on themselves when their own people would not accept the help offered.
 
L Gilbert
#34
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

U.S. soldier kills up to 16 Afghan civilians - Yahoo! News Canada (external - login to view)

Frackin trigger-happy, brain-dead, drunken idiots.
Seems that at least a few Americans think nothing of inviting more terrorist attacks on the US. It's just as well that DUHbama pulls the military out of Afghanistan.

Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

U.S. soldier reportedly kills 16 Afghan civilians - World - CBC News

Now MacKay is calling it a "cowardly" act of violence?

It is many things, but how is it "cowardly". Is it just me or does it seem that either many politicians don't know the meaning of the word or just have a bad habit of calling all violence cowardly?

A trained soldier firing upon kids and other civilians? How is that not cowardly? It's hardly courageous to do something like that.

From Oxford's dictionary:
cowardly

Pronunciation: /ˈkaʊədli/
adjective
lacking courage:
he was a weak, cowardly man
(of an action) carried out against a person who is unable to retaliate:
a cowardly attack on a helpless victim
adverb
archaic
in a way which shows a lack of courage.

Derivatives

cowardliness
noun
 
Machjo
+1
#35
Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

Frackin trigger-happy, brain-dead, drunken idiots.
Seems that at least a few Americans think nothing of inviting more terrorist attacks on the US. It's just as well that DUHbama pulls the military out of Afghanistan.

A trained soldier firing upon kids and other civilians? How is that not cowardly? It's hardly courageous to do something like that.

From Oxford's dictionary:
cowardly

Pronunciation: /ˈkaʊədli/
adjective
lacking courage:
he was a weak, cowardly man
(of an action) carried out against a person who is unable to retaliate:
a cowardly attack on a helpless victim
adverb
archaic
in a way which shows a lack of courage.

Derivatives

cowardliness
noun

As mentioned above, I was unaware of that other definition. The only definition I knew was "lacking courage". I stand corrected.
 
L Gilbert
#36
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

I stand corrected:

cow·ard·ly

   /ˈkaʊərdli/ Show Spelled[kou-erd-lee] Show IPA
adjective 1. lacking courage; contemptibly timid.

2. characteristic of or befitting a coward (external - login to view); despicably mean (external - login to view), covert, or unprincipled: a cowardly attack on a weak, defenseless man.

[COLOR=#333333]According to the first definition above, I'd have been right.

Nope. You were wrong in any case. It does not take courage for a trained soldier to open fire on kids and other civilians. That makes it cowardly.
 
Machjo
#37
Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

Nope. You were wrong in any case.

How so? In one sence, going out and killing people, knowing the possibility of court martial and facing a firing squad, is not entirely cowardly according to the most basic sense of the word, only according to its secondary sense which I'd initially ignored.

One could even argue tht it does take a kind of "courage".
 
gerryh
#38
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post


One could even argue tht it does take a kind of "courage".


and what kind of "courage" does it take to kill innocent women and children?
 
L Gilbert
#39
Quote: Originally Posted by SerryahView Post

Time to go; and when the Afghans start whining and bitching about how the world abandoned them and oh their poor people and poor children, tell them they brought this on themselves when their own people would not accept the help offered.

Uhuh. I'm sure that the women and kids in Afghanistan really want to continue suffering "abuse at the hands of their husbands, fathers, brothers, armed individuals, parallel legal systems, and institutions of the state, including the police and justice system."
RAWA.ORG: The Women of Afghanistan: Abandoned (external - login to view)

Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

How so? In one sence, going out and killing people, knowing the possibility of court martial and facing a firing squad,

.... and doing it anyway is called "stupidity", not "courage".
Quote:

is not entirely cowardly according to the most basic sense of the word, only according to its secondary sense which I'd initially ignored.

Only if you spin the context of the word.

Quote:

One could even argue tht it does take a kind of "courage".

You could if you wish. I'd prefer "stupidity".
 
Cliffy
#40
And maybe this guy's brain snapped. It is not uncommon for people under war conditions to have a complete mental breakdown. Some become vegetables and others go berserk. I doubt that any sane person could do something this horrendous.
 
L Gilbert
#41
It happens.
Sanity is relative.
 
Ocean Breeze
+1 / -1
#42
Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

It happens.
Sanity is relative.

that is a tad casual when one is talking about destroying that many civilian lives.

Is the attitude the same when US civilians and troops are slaughtered??? Let's face it......that would only be fair.


If this is representative of a cultures or nations attitude towards slaughter in other lands ......little wonder that people (of the aggressor nation)have become jaded about LIFE and Murder , mass killings . Also little wonder the nation doing this has lost its ethical core and the worlds respect along with it.

sadly, this doesn't seem to bother the population of said nation.

Just another horrific tragedy of a warmongering attitude gone out of control as these might as well be assassinations......(something the US fully endorses now )

It does not get much sicker than that.

so the operative question is: IS there any hope for recovering a more humane attitude towards their fellow beings?? Or is it too late..??

Or is this just another shameful event that will be "justified" with specific terminology and rationalized away. Soon to be forgotten by the ones doing it , while leaving the victims and their families grieving and raging against the giant warmongering monolith that now knows no boundaries.??

Seems that the powers that send these young men and women into ELECTIVE wars of mass destruction might want to consider the impact that the ugliness of war has on these troops. War is insanity , always has been. Those that fight in the wars lose a lot of their own self and sanity as no human being (unless a hard core cold psychopath) is equipped to deal with those horrors. Troops from Viet Nam should have taught the powers a big lesson........but the powers that love war are learning challnged as well as greedy.

"Intentional Murders"
US Murders 16 Civilians in Afghanistan: Kabul Government


US Kills 16 Civilians in Afghanistan: Kabul Government (external - login to view)

No matter how some will try to rationalize this new HORROR.......there is NO EXCUSE for it. NONE.

the actual murderers are partially to blame......but those that sent them there , and protracted the occupation for over a dang decade are even more responsible.

Bad enough that the Afghans struggled with their own murderers , and barbaric killings........the US did not have to export its gun and kill culture to them to add to an already volatile environment.
 
lone wolf
+1
#43
All the while US was exporting its "gun and kill culture" to chase out Russians from which direction did the breeze blow?

BTW.... This was ONE man ... NOT the whole USA.
 
Serryah
+2
#44
The troops are slated to be taken out at the end of the year, but IMO I should think the Government should push to get them out sooner than that. Election year be damned, the repercussions of this are going to last much longer if they don't get out ASAP.
 
earth_as_one
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#45
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

This isn't about every bad thing you can dig up. It's about ONE specific incident. To cloud the issue is to propagandize it.

This incident is hardly unique. I can reference hundreds of incidents where American soldiers have gunned down innocent civilians in recent years which are just as bad or worse than this incident. In nearly every case, the American soldiers responsible for killing innocent civilians avoid serious consequences, just like what happened in the Haditha massacre. This case would be exceptional if this American soldier is held accountable for his actions.

Meanwhile, another American mass murderer who started an unprovoked war which killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians not only walks around free, but gets paid appearance fees.

abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-sol...1#.T11jcfXwGWc (external - login to view)

  • Rolling Stone reveals how U.S. troops murdered Afghan civilians
  • Soldiers cut off 15-year-old boy's finger and kept it as trophy
  • Video captures U.S. troops cheering as airstrike kills two Afghan civilians
  • New pictures show dead Afghan man's head on a stick
  • Soldier stabbed the body of a dead Afghan civilian
  • Military tried to pull pictures out of circulation to avoid another Abu Ghraib
  • Army says photos are 'in striking contrast' to its standards and values
The Pentagon tonight apologised after shocking new details emerged of how American soldiers formed a 'death squad' to randomly murder Afghan civilians and mutilate their corpses.
An investigation by Rolling Stone magazine details how senior officers failed to stop troops killing Afghans and keeping their body parts as trophies.
In one horrific episode, the magazine claims troops threw a grenade at an innocent Afghan boy before chopping off his finger and later using it as 'gambling chip' in a game of cards.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...civilians.html
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lone wolf
#46
Well why aren't you over there being a hero instead of mixing specifics into one propagandic ball of hate here?
 
Ariadne
+1
#47
I read today that the place where this happened was a model city set up by Canadians where some people were so friendly with Canadian soldiers that they were invited in for tea. The model was so successful that it had spread to surrounding towns. Is my understanding correct in that Canadians withdrew and Americans took over this calm city ... and now 9 children are shot dead in the street for no reason? 16 people in total?

I do think that this is an unprovoked murderous act and that the families of the victims should have justice. That justice is not based on the laws of some other country, but based on the laws of that city. The murderer was not working as a soldier when he killed 16 people, he was off duty and supposedly drunk. It is unlikely that he was suffering some sort of delusion, as the army must have checks in place to ensure that deluded, drunk, off-duty soldiers are not running around shooting young girls.

Wasn't there was another case like this a couple of years ago? It was at a checkpoint and three US soldiers entered a nearby home, killed the entire family but raped all the females first, even the young girls. I think one took the fall and was tried/imprisoned in the US.

At some point, if the US is transitioning power back to Afghanistan and Iraq, the US should also relinquish control of their justice systems. This seems like the perfect case to try in Afghanistan ... just to demonstrate to everyone that autonomy is the ultimate objective.
 
Machjo
#48
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

and what kind of "courage" does it take to kill innocent women and children?

Leaving the base where possible Taliban could be scouting the area, risking court martial afterwards along with firing squad.

So certainly his act is cowardly in the second sense of the word, but not in the first.

It still does not make his act criminal, cruel, etc. Just not necessarily cowardly in the primary sense of the word.
 
earth_as_one
+2
#49
Why should this soldier be treated differently than other American soldiers who have done the same or worse? Murderous rampages by American soldiers against civilians are not unusual and in most cases, the killer faces no serious consequences provided the victims are Iraqi or Afghan. The Haditha massacre is just one example of American soldiers gunning down unarmed and innocent women and children and then pissing on their corpses. In that case and most of the others where the facts show the attack against civilians was just another senseless murder of an Iraqi or Afghan civilian, most Americans have had no problems or conscience issues ignoring these heinous crimes or the victim's pleas for justice. If Americans truly believed in justice, then American mass murderers George Bush and Dick Cheney, would be held responsible for their roles in starting an unprovoked war which resulted in hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, rather than earning appearance fees to talk about their crimes.

Based on how Americans have reacted to these incidents in the past, its clear most Americans don't consider it a crime when their soldiers go on murderous rampages killing innocent civilians. This American soldier will probably face little to no consequences for his actions.
 
EagleSmack
+2
#50
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post


Based on how Americans have reacted to these incidents in the past, its clear most Americans don't consider it a crime when their soldiers go on murderous rampages killing innocent civilians. This American soldier will probably face little to no consequences for his actions.

Don't be an idiot. The guy is deservedly going away for life and you can bet on that.
 
mentalfloss
#51
That really sucks.

Incidents like these just go to show that we need to start winding down our military assignments.
 
Machjo
+1
#52
Turns out he is a husband and father too. Not only did he destroy an Afghan family, but his own too.
 
earth_as_one
+2
#53
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Don't be an idiot. The guy is deservedly going away for life and you can bet on that.

Many American soldiers and leaders deserved to go away for life, yet few face any serious consequences for committing crimes as bad as this or worse. What this American soldier did is no worse that what American soldiers did at Haditha. In that case, all but one plea bargained out of serious consequences. One American soldier got a minor slap on the wrist. In the Haditha case and this case, the victims were unarmed civilians. In both cases, innocent men, women and children including babies were gunned down ruthlessly in cold blood. IN both cases, the criminals responsible gunned down mothers with babies in their arms as they begged for their lives. This case is the same in brutality, justification and scale as the Haditha massacre.

Let's put this soldier's actions in perspective. He only murdered 16 civilians. Bush and Cheney gave orders which predictably resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians. Bush and Cheney lied and manipulated the American public into supporting an unprovoked war based on false claims regarding WMDs and links to al Queda. This guy should also be able to lie his way out of responsibility for killing innocent civilians just like Dick and George.

The only difference between Bush and Cheney's actions and this soldier's murderous rampage is scale and the way western public perceptions have been manipulated. While you may perceive this murderous rampage as exceptional, that's your viewpoint. Likely most Iraqis and Afghans will see this heinous crime as more of the same.
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MHz
#54
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

He is a trained US soldier, and 16 people dead. What do you think?

So killing the 5 or so children was just so he could put more notches on his kills rep, sad and true
 
Ocean Breeze
+1 / -1
#55
Quote:

It's about ONE specific incident


really??? Or is this just another vicious symptom in a series of many UGLY ACTS . Amazing how some will excuse the most barbaric of acts on the basis of "this is war and bad things happen". Yet they fail to see that these wars were ELECTIVE.

The more such incidents take place , the more innured the US population becomes .

Might be time to list ALL the atrocities committed by the INVADERS and examine the amount of money spent in this effort. And no , the acts of those fighting for THEIR country are not an excuse......as they were defending THEIR country the only way they knew how.

The US is supposed to be so much smarter and more advanced...........and yet.....each such atrocities shows different.

This is insanity on so many levels ........including those that support this entire atrocity on whatever excuse that helps them live with themselves.

remember........they did not find OBL for many years ......and it was NOT IN Afghanistan. Talk about egg on US face. Of course they had to assassinate him in cold blood. With his demise.........the US lost so much info about his plans, ideas and the terror network itself. No......KILLING is now the US answer to just about everything.

Listening to this on BBC and it is embarrassing to hear what the US has to say. The same thing they say every time something like this happens. "need to re assess the whole situation". What a load of horse crap.
Are they so stupid or so addicted to war and the power it gives them that they have lost sight of the importance of HUMANITY?? Humanity on both sides....... The troops will never be the same again after this war experience.....and the destruction of lives in Afghanistan is irreparable.

the tragedy affects the Afgans, the US troops., and the US standing (or non standing ) on the world stage. Each such incident leaves another major bruise on "america " and that cannot be undone.

They "broke it" and keep breaking it........
 
lone wolf
+1
#56
Did you actually READ anywhere where this guy was excused? For a "peace lover" you sure go out of your way to stir up hatred.
 
L Gilbert
#57
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

that is a tad casual when one is talking about destroying that many civilian lives.

Is the attitude the same when US civilians and troops are slaughtered??? Let's face it......that would only be fair.


If this is representative of a cultures or nations attitude towards slaughter in other lands ......little wonder that people (of the aggressor nation)have become jaded about LIFE and Murder , mass killings . Also little wonder the nation doing this has lost its ethical core and the worlds respect along with it.

Excuse me? I wasn't talking about the civilians getting killed. I was referring to Cliff's comments about soldiers' minds snapping.
I'd suggest you quit presuming and pay attention as to what I was addressing my comments to.

Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

This incident is hardly unique. I can reference hundreds of incidents where American soldiers have gunned down innocent civilians in recent years which are just as bad or worse than this incident.

And you do quite repetitively and endlessly, as if we haven't all read your mainly one-sided posts.

Quote:

Meanwhile, another American mass murderer who started an unprovoked war which killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians not only walks around free, but gets paid appearance fees.

US Soldier Describes Thrill Kill of Innocent Civilians in Afghanistan - ABC News (external - login to view)

  • Rolling Stone reveals how U.S. troops murdered Afghan civilians
  • Soldiers cut off 15-year-old boy's finger and kept it as trophy
  • Video captures U.S. troops cheering as airstrike kills two Afghan civilians
  • New pictures show dead Afghan man's head on a stick
  • Soldier stabbed the body of a dead Afghan civilian
  • Military tried to pull pictures out of circulation to avoid another Abu Ghraib
  • Army says photos are 'in striking contrast' to its standards and values
The Pentagon tonight apologised after shocking new details emerged of how American soldiers formed a 'death squad' to randomly murder Afghan civilians and mutilate their corpses.
An investigation by Rolling Stone magazine details how senior officers failed to stop troops killing Afghans and keeping their body parts as trophies.
In one horrific episode, the magazine claims troops threw a grenade at an innocent Afghan boy before chopping off his finger and later using it as 'gambling chip' in a game of cards.

Shocking video shows U.S. troops cheering as airstrike blows up Afghan civilians | Mail Online

That's it. Dodge the topic of this thread by leading in to a rampage of posts dragging up issues of even remotely related topics.
 
Ocean Breeze
-1
#58
Watching more "details" of this "incident".....and the horror just mounts. The question that remains is: Was it premeditated??

A whole family , kids, some of which were TODDLERS.

for those that claim that this is but one incident............should also adopt the same attitude when US troops are killed by the people defending their own country.

Afgans are royally dissed...............and rightly so.

Maybe they should send their army and attack the US .........as after all, according to US rules of engagement......they would be right in doing so. Is this the kind of "democracy" and "freedom" the US has given them??? Only the kool aide junkies would even use those terms when talking about this invasion and occupation.

This insanity has GOT TO END ......for all concerned.

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As Kathy Kelly explained on Democracy Now! this morning, the act was not an exceptional incident; "in fact, this tragedy reflects and encapsulates the U.S. war of choice in Afghanistan."“President Obama and U.S. military brass are depicting a U.S. soldier killing 16 Afghan civilians as an exceptional event. But in fact, this tragedy reflects and encapsulates the U.S. war of choice in Afghanistan. Groups of U.S. soldiers have been breaking into Afghan homes and killing people, without cause or provocation, for the last 11 years. Civilians have been afflicted by aerial bombing by helicopter gunships, drone surveillance and attacks, and night raids.
“In the recent past, Afghan civilians have been appalled and agitated by news of U.S. soldiers that went on killing sprees, cutting off body parts of their victims to save as war trophies. They’ve been repulsed by photos of U.S. soldiers urinating on the corpses of Afghans whom they have killed. The burning of the Quran further enraged civilians. One of the greatest factors contributing to public dismay and hostility towards the foreign forces is the practice of night raids. As many as 40 of these raids happen around the country on some nights, and the U.S. military reports an average of 10 a night. U.S. /NATO soldiers burst into people’s homes and attack people in their sleep."

Quote has been trimmed


Afghan Massacre: Just a PR Problem for U.S. Occupation? | Common Dreams (external - login to view)


above item........tells it as it is. and no amount of denying will change that.
Quote:

Massacre of Civilians Ignites Fury in Afghanistan

'Let Us Live in Peace,' say Afghans who want US to leave

- Common Dreams staff
Despair, frustration and palpable outrage hangs over Afghanistan on Monday, a day after a US soldier left his military base near Kandahar and massacred 16 Afghan civilians, including nine children. Reporters and investigators are still seeking absolute clarity that only one US soldier was involved, while the Taliban has vowed revenge against the 'sick-minded American savages' behind the attack.
Residents sat with the bodies of shooting victims in the Panjwai district of southern Afghanistan. (Mustafa Khan/European Pressphoto Agency) The lone soldier is now in US custody, but there were calls Monday for any and all guilty US soldiers to be handed over to Afghan authorities for a public trial. Above all, the terrible crime has led many to renew calls for an end to the decade long war and for US forces to leave Afghanistan at once


Massacre of Civilians Ignites Fury in Afghanistan | Common Dreams (external - login to view)
 
DaSleeper
+3
#59
Breezy........I do beleive this story is giving you a multiple orgasm..................
 
WLDB
#60
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

I doubt that any sane person could do something this horrendous.

A lot of people who have taken part in genocide have gone on to lead fairly normal lives afterwards. Its amazing what a person can do while sane.

Ted Bundy was also quite sane. The judge who sentenced him to death said it was unfortunate as Bundy had a great mind.

We didn't get to the top of the food chain by being nice.
 
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