U.S. soldier kills up to 16 Afghan civilians


gerryh
#421
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Does this not contradict your last post


Nope.... just voicing my opinion, and my opinion isn't very high when it comes to the u.s.
 
Goober
#422
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Nope.... just voicing my opinion, and my opinion isn't very high when it comes to the u.s.

Well yesterday EAO was showing that the US imposed harsh penalties - i disagreed - Today the US is not.
While your opinion of the US as we are aware is low, does your opinion change with the weather?

It is one or the other - Either the US imposes harsh punishments - or they do not.

So what is it - Todays new opinion or yesrdays old opinion?????????????

Over to you
 
petros
#423
Did we win? Why has it been 10 years? Are these Afghanis that good?
 
Goober
#424
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

Its possible the US government will make an example of this soldier and he gets a stiff penalty. Then again he could be found not guilty by reason of insanity and then released when this story falls off the MSM radar.

Since the soldier was awol and the crime was committed in Afghanistan, I'd say the US should have to turn this soldier over to Afghan authorities.

My suggestion was for an objective third party to monitor the criminal justice process, since neither the Americans nor the Afghans are likely to give the accused a fair trial.

Yesterday it was turn him over to Afghan Justice - Can you not form an opinion that lasts more that a day or so.

Why would the Soldier not receive a fair trial.

If he is Judged insane - then it will be up to Medical specialists to decide when he is safe to release - Clearly you do not trust them either.
 
gerryh
#425
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Well yesterday EAO was showing that the US imposed harsh penalties - i disagreed - Today the US is not.
While your opinion of the US as we are aware is low, does your opinion change with the weather?

It is one or the other - Either the US imposes harsh punishments - or they do not.

So what is it - Todays new opinion or yesrdays old opinion?????????????

Over to you


Over all they don't hand out harsh punishment to one of their own. Take a look at what that pilot got when he killed our guys. Slap on the wrist.
 
Goober
#426
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Over all they don't hand out harsh punishment to one of their own. Take a look at what that pilot got when he killed our guys. Slap on the wrist.

So your post attacking me was an error. I can understand that and have no problem with that. One thing about Humans - we make mistakes.

And no I was not out to embarrass or pillory you.
 
gerryh
#427
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

So your post attacking me was an error. I can understand that and have no problem with that. One thing about Humans - we make mistakes.

And no I was not out to embarrass or pillory you.


No mistake was made by me.
 
Goober
#428
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

No mistake was made by me.

Whatever you wish to believe is fine by me.
 
gerryh
#429
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post


But in your opinion OBL was innocent of 911.

Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Actually, no, he has not said he believed that obl was innocent. All he did was post a truth about the time between 9/11 and the invasion of Afghanistan.

Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

On other threads he referred to the Taliban turning OBL over to another agreed upon country - Also the US was to present evidence to the Taliban of OBLs involvement.

Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Well....in this instance I would say prove his inconsistency....cause I haven't seen it when it comes to the Taliban, obl, and the u.s.


This is what I had told you to prove, instead you have gone off on a tangent about u.s. justice when it comes to their soldiers individual war crimes.

I stand by my comment that you are an idiot and moron.
 
Goober
#430
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

This is what I had told you to prove, instead you have gone off on a tangent about u.s. justice when it comes to their soldiers individual war crimes.

I stand by my comment that you are an idiot and moron.

Stand by it. It is really just a short insult. Probably taller than yourself.
 
gerryh
#431
and you still can't prove or back up your contentions.
 
Goober
#432
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

and you still can't prove or back up your contentions.

Great comeback. I had to lean over, sorry, get on bended knee then lean over to hear such a rebuttal from a very small man.


Love the chains.
Noted cellulite in the legs though.

Do you still use a sippy cup?

 
EagleSmack
+2
#433
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Over all they don't hand out harsh punishment to one of their own. Take a look at what that pilot got when he killed our guys. Slap on the wrist.


You really don't see the difference?

Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

Its possible the US government will make an example of this soldier and he gets a stiff penalty. Then again he could be found not guilty by reason of insanity and then released when this story falls off the MSM radar.

Make an example? Are you saying that if he gets life or even the Death Penalty the US would simply be making an example of him? He murdered 16 people.

I simply don't get you thinking here.

Quote:

Since the soldier was awol and the crime was committed in Afghanistan, I'd say the US should have to turn this soldier over to Afghan authorities.

To which he will have a trial within days and have his head sawed off in public.

Quote:

My suggestion was for an objective third party to monitor the criminal justice process, since neither the Americans nor the Afghans are likely to give the accused a fair trial.

Then the third party will be witnesses to him getting his head sawed off.

I'm amazed here. Truly. If he gets found guilty are you saying he will not have a fair trial?
 
petros
+2
#434
It's obvious this guy is hoping to be executed or imprisoned for life. He gave up on his own life before he decided take the 16 lives.
 
Ocean Breeze
-1
#435
Quote:

Afghan Probe: More Than a Dozen US Troops Involved in Massacre (external - login to view)

Kandahar MP Says Resolution Passed Unanimously to Withdraw From 'Agreement' With US

by Jason Ditz, March 18, 2012

A member of the Afghan parliamentary investigation team into last weekend’s massacre of civilians, Kandahar MP Naheem Lalai Hameedzai, says that the probe has concluded the massacre was carried out by a team of US soldiers, and not a lone individual.

Afghan Probe: More Than a Dozen US Troops Involved in Massacre -- News from Antiwar.com (external - login to view)

Will be interesting to see the follow ups to this...

Quote:

individual.
All the villagers that we talked to said there were 15 to 20 men who had conducted a night raid operation in several areas in the village (external - login to view),” Hameedzai said, adding that the targets in the massacre villages were at least four kilometers north and south of the base.
The US has insisted that only one person, Staff Sgt. Robert Bales, wandered off base and committed the entire massacre in a drunken rampage.

Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

It's obvious this guy is hoping to be executed or imprisoned for life. He gave up on his own life before he decided take the 16 lives.

If that were the case.........he should have just killed himself .
 
Ocean Breeze
#436
Discussing the Motives of the Afghan Shooter | Common Dreams (external - login to view)
Here’s a summary of the Western media discussion of what motivated U.S. Staff Sgt. Robert Bales to allegedly kill 16 Afghans, including 9 children: he was drunk (external - login to view), he was experiencing financial stress (external - login to view), he was passed over for a promotion (external - login to view), he had a traumatic brain injury (external - login to view), he had marital problems (external - login to view), he suffered from the stresses of four tours of duty (external - login to view), he “saw his buddy’s leg blown off the day before the massacre (external - login to view),” etc.U.S. Staff Sgt. Robert Bales (File)
Here’s a summary of the Western media discussion of what motivates Muslims to kill Americans: they are primitive, fanatically religious, hateful Terrorists.
Even when Muslims who engage in such acts toward Americans clearly (external - login to view) and repeatedly (external - login to view) explain (external - login to view) that they did it in response to American acts of domination, aggression, violence and civilian-killing in their countries, and even when the violence is confined to soldiers who are part of a foreign army that has invaded and occupied their country, the only cognizable motive is one of primitive, hateful evil. It is an act of Evil Terrorism, and that is all there is to say about it.



that about covers it. Tragically.

An Afghan parliamentary investigation has concluded a massacre of at least 16 civilians in Afghanistan was brought on by revenge.

The head of the Afghan parliamentary investigation, Sayed Ishaq Gillani has accused a US soldier of planning the attack in Kandahar province.


Afghan parliamentary team speaks on civilian massacre (external - login to view)
 
Ocean Breeze
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#437
Washington’s dirty little secret is out!
The Kandahar Massacre

By M A Niazi

March 18, 2012 "
The Nation (external - login to view)" - Pakistanis were not very surprised when an American soldier ran amuck in Kandahar and shot up 16 Afghan civilians, which came hot on the heels of another incident of American callousness in Afghanistan, i.e. the burning of copies of Holy Quran at the Bagram Airbase. Just as Pakistan had experienced the Raymond Davis affair, in which a CIA contractor had shot two Pakistanis, with his rescue vehicle running down a third, and had thus learned the hard way that CIA contractors were not benign presences who could be given the free run of the country, so have the Afghans learnt at the cost of massacre in Kandahar and the cost of being occupied by the USA. The common aspect of both incidents is that Washington’s dirty little secret is out!

from :* The Kandahar Massacre** : Information Clearing House (external - login to view)
 
Goober
#438
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Washington’s dirty little secret is out!
The Kandahar Massacre
By M A Niazi
March 18, 2012 "The Nation" - Pakistanis were not very surprised when an American soldier ran amuck in Kandahar and shot up 16 Afghan civilians, which came hot on the heels of another incident of American callousness in Afghanistan, i.e. the burning of copies of Holy Quran at the Bagram Airbase. Just as Pakistan had experienced the Raymond Davis affair, in which a CIA contractor had shot two Pakistanis, with his rescue vehicle running down a third, and had thus learned the hard way that CIA contractors were not benign presences who could be given the free run of the country, so have the Afghans learnt at the cost of massacre in Kandahar and the cost of being occupied by the USA. The common aspect of both incidents is that Washington’s dirty little secret is out!

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How many were killed in retaliation for making a mistake and burning a book - How many were killed in retaliation from his murders.
 
lone wolf
#439
They were only copies.... Anything for attention
 
gerryh
#440
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

How many were killed in retaliation for making a mistake and burning a book - How many were killed in retaliation from his murders.



and your point is?
 
Goober
#441
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

and your point is?

How a culture responds to horrific events as the killings of the civilians is - how a society values the life of a child, a woman a man.

How a society reacts to the erroneous destruction of a Religious Text.

Your Honor - The point I made was relevant as it pertains to culture and values. Values I must remind the Judge that are well described in the Koran, as the word of Allah.

Values that have been set aside when the anger of knowing 16 civilians, innocent civilians were murdered for no just cause. Killed in their homes. Literally slaughtered as they slept in the safety with their families.

We then ask why the outrage over the erroneous burning of a Religious Text is of a higher value than life.

Your Honor, can the prosecution explain to the Judge and the Jury why this is so? Can they?? They cannot as the Koran is clear on the value of a single life.
 
gerryh
#442
How many were killed in retaliation for the death of 3000
 
Goober
#443
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

How many were killed in retaliation for the death of 3000

To mnay.

Care to rebut what I posted?
 
gerryh
#444
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

To mnay.

Care to rebut what I posted?


Too many? how about in excess of 200,000 people.... and you're bitching about how many? How about we stop the mass murder from our side before we whine about the comparatively minimal deaths on our side. Fu cking hypocritical piece of shyte.
 
Goober
#445
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Too many? how about in excess of 200,000 people.... and you're bitching about how many? How about we stop the mass murder from our side before we whine about the comparatively minimal deaths on our side. Fu cking hypocritical piece of shyte.

Your typical response. You have a pattern - you go the rounds of going after different posters.

You standard rebuttals are at the Ivory rate of 99 44/100ths insults - I find you to be a little, very little man.

Such an angry man

An If I recall correctly - a self admitted Troll.

So in the words of that famous Chinese Philosopher.

Fuk You.
 
gerryh
#446
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Your typical response. You have a pattern - you go the rounds of going after different posters.

You standard rebuttals are at the Ivory rate of 99 44/100ths insults - I find you to be a little, very little man.

Such an angry man

An If I recall correctly - a self admitted Troll.

So in the words of that famous Chinese Philosopher.

Fuk You.


Typical response from the war mongers and supporters of the mass murders allowed world wide. So easy to whine about the minimal western deaths with no answer, justification, or responsibility for the hundreds of thousands of deaths that THEIR governments are responsible for. Just keep yelling squirrel.
 
Goober
#447
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Typical response from the war mongers and supporters of the mass murders allowed world wide. So easy to whine about the minimal western deaths with no answer, justification, or responsibility for the hundreds of thousands of deaths that THEIR governments are responsible for. Just keep yelling squirrel.

Remember you also have blood on your hands Gerry. We all do.

Innocent you are not. Just as guilty as I am.
 
gerryh
#448
at least I lay the blame where it belongs....... at least I don't try to shine the light on others..... at least I acknowledge what the western governments are responsible for. Unlike chicken shyte *******s like you.
 
Goober
#449
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

at least I lay the blame where it belongs....... at least I don't try to shine the light on others..... at least I acknowledge what the western governments are responsible for. Unlike chicken shyte *******s like you.

No Gerry you are incapable of laying blame where it belongs
1 - Your anti US bias is a self admitted fault and interferes with dispassionate reasoning.

2 - You always rebut with moron, idiot and such comments

3 - There is an old Hebrew saying there are 2 sides to a coin - can you understand that - I doubt it

4- You are a troll - Self admitted - The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem

5 - most importantly you cannot accept that you have blood as well as I on my hands.

So i will make an offer

You and I go head to head in Wreck Beach -

We agree on a Mod to determine the thread contents,

We have a Poll. It will be public

Public - Again the mod will have the final say.

We are then both offered by the Mod what the thread and the Poll will contain

We both have the option to opt out without any repercussions - Each of us must agree before the Thread is posted. Either can say no and no one mentions it.


Game on - or game off

Now I am off to bed, logging off so take all the time you need to think on this.

Oh yes a parting thought. Fuk off
 
gerryh
#450
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

No Gerry you are incapable of laying blame where it belongs
1 - Your anti US bias is a self admitted fault and interferes with dispassionate reasoning.

2 - You always rebut with moron, idiot and such comments

3 - There is an old Hebrew saying there are 2 sides to a coin - can you understand that - I doubt it

4- You are a troll - Self admitted - The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem

5 - most importantly you cannot accept that you have blood as well as I on my hands.

So i will make an offer

You and I go head to head in Wreck Beach -

We agree on a Mod to determine the thread contents,

We have a Poll. It will be public

Public - Again the mod will have the final say.

We are then both offered by the Mod what the thread and the Poll will contain

We both have the option to opt out without any repercussions - Each of us must agree before the Thread is posted. Either can say no and no one mentions it.


Game on - or game off

Now I am off to bed, logging off so take all the time you need to think on this.

Oh yes a parting thought. Fuk off

poor poor goober.... I see you really hate being called on your bloodlust.
 
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