Resolving Canada’s 'Indian problem’


dumpthemonarchy
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A good summary of what many aboriginals expect in the future. The following are naive ideas that are not practical or desireable at all for Canada. It will require the country give up a great amount of sovereignty, that means power. And that ensures it will never happen. Colonial Canada and British Canada are as dead as the Indian Act and treaty system, it is time for aboriginals to become Canadians like everyone else. Just more equality.




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Resolving Canada’s 'Indian problem’

Guest column

By Doug George-Kanentiio

Posted 26 days ago



Prime Minister Stephen Harper deserves credit for meeting with aboriginal leaders on Jan. 24 to discuss ways to resolve the many challenges which confront Canada’s native peoples.

The meeting was characterized by an acknowledgment from the Prime Minister that changes are needed in the current status of the country’s First Nations which comes as no surprise to those who have lived under the heavy hand of the 1876 Indian Act.
Change has to begin by recognizing that without the contributions of the First Nations there would be no Canada, either in name or national status.

During the critical times of Canada’s development the aboriginal people not only gave this land an identity, but fed, clothed, guided, taught, fought and died for the nation.

This is particularly important to note in this, the bicentennial year marking the War of 1812 when a Native alliance initially led by the magnificent Shawnee leader Tecumseh joined forces with the British to hold back the American invasions into Upper Canada.
Without Tecumseh’s military genius the red white and blue would be flying from the Arctic to the Gulf of Mexico, from St. John’s to Victoria.

That is but one instance of the enormous historical and physical debt owed to aboriginal people.
It can only be repaid by liberating the First Nations from the suffocating grip of the Indian Act and other forms of institutional bondage. The Indian Act has no place in a free nation and has to be repealed.

Secondly, the reserve system must end. Canada has to concede that the “Crown” does not have underlying ownership to native lands, but that territorial status is retained by the Native nations based upon aboriginal title.

The Native nations must also have direct, unimpeded access and control over the natural resources of their respective territories, including water, minerals and airspace. The definition of aboriginal territory should be interpreted to mean all areas not specifically ceded by treaty and indigenous to a specific native nation.

Third, First Nations must also be free to engage in unimpeded commerce among themselves regardless of location.

Native nation-to-nation trade is an inherent extension of an aboriginal right, an historical practice which saw goods from the east carried by Native traders far into the Canadian interior. This kind of trade brought great material prosperity to the Iroquois among other nations and must be revived.

Fourth, the 1794 Jay Treaty must also be formally enacted into law by Parliament. The Treaty required Britain and the U.S. to allow the free passage of Native goods across the border, but while Canada abides by all agreements entered into by the Crown prior to securing its dominion status in 1867 it will not concede to the treaty’s provisions.

This is illogical and has been the source of great controversy among the First Nations. The smuggling crisis among some First Nations in the Great Lakes region will end only when the nations themselves are empowered to control the flow of goods across their lands.

Fifth, Canada has to acknowledge that treaties are the supreme law of the land. When Canada entered into these agreements it recognized the right of Native nations to enter into these contracts based upon their status as politically distinct entities.
If Canada wants to abandon the treaties then the parties are restored to their former condition and, if not, the federal government has to concede that unilateral laws such as the Indian Act no longer apply.

Sixth, all federal agencies must be required to respect the status of First Nations through active, ongoing consultation before any regulation or policy is enacted as it effects native peoples. This includes notoriously defensive federal departments such as the Canadian Border Security Agency. Nothing causes as much bitterness and resentment among aboriginal people as the suffocating regulations imposed upon them by bureaucracies who have yet to abandon a colonial mentality.

Seventh, First Nations must also be free to form their own regional alliances based upon their natural inclination to join forces and share resources.

The federal government expends enormous sums to the nation’s 1.2 million aboriginal people with much of that directed towards keeping management well fed.

This can be reduced through direct payments to the First Nations, but not before the nations are unchained from the Indian Act to emerge from the notoriously ineffective and corrupt “band council” system into indigenous forms of government, ones which were at one time fully capable of responding to their people’s needs. By forming alliances and confederacies the First Nations will be able to develop economies and provide for their own.

The humiliations of being utterly dependent upon the federal government may come to an end; the pride and dignity of Canada’s first peoples can be fully restored only by recognizing the First Nations as free and equal partners in a time of social liberation.

Doug George-Kanentiio, Akwesasne Mohawk, is the former editor of the journal Akwesasne Notes and the author of “Iroquois on Fire”, among other books.
 
DaSleeper
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Obsess much???


The Indians - Alway's On My Mind - YouTube (external - login to view)
 
L Gilbert
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Thread #238,483 sniveling about indigenous peoples.
 
Dexter Sinister
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Looks from the OP like the Indians, or at least that particular one, think they have a Canadian problem. Personally, I find a guy who makes an extravagant claim like "Without Tecumseh’s military genius the red white and blue would be flying from the Arctic to the Gulf of Mexico, from St. John’s to Victoria." a little hard to take seriously.
 
dumpthemonarchy
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That's Canadian govt book history, from the academic hothouse, lead by John Ralson Saul, which the general population doesn't agree with at all. For example, if you hired a polling company and asked the public to name one famous Canadian Indian/aboriginal, I'm sure you would get blank stares here. Names like Tecumseh would rank in the single digits in popularity at best.
 
L Gilbert
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Yeah, right, Dumpy.
Off the top of my head;
Riel
Tantoo
Norval Moriseau
Bill Reid
Dan George
Leonard George
Buffy St. Marie
Susan Aglukark
Adam Beech
Ovide Mercredi
Johnathan Cheechoo
Alanis Morisette
Shania Twain

Those are just Canadians, too.
 
Cannuck
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Robbie Robertson
 
dumpthemonarchy
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I'm looking for historic Indians, those who supposedly had an impact. Recent ones don't count.
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

I'm looking for historic Indians, those who supposedly had an impact. Recent ones don't count.

You obviously know nothing about the music business if you don't think Robbie Robertson had an impact.
 
dumpthemonarchy
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Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

You obviously know nothing about the music business if you don't think Robbie Robertson had an impact.

Who is he?
 
L Gilbert
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Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

I'm looking for historic Indians, those who supposedly had an impact. Recent ones don't count.

That's not what you said to begin with. "For example, if you hired a polling company and asked the public to name one famous Canadian Indian/aboriginal, I'm sure you would get blank stares here." Want to move another goalpost?
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

Who is he?

Who Do You Love - ERIC CLAPTON & ROBBIE ROBERTSON - YouTube (external - login to view)

The Band, The Weight - YouTube (external - login to view)

The Band - Night They Drove Old Dixie Down - YouTube (external - login to view)

Robbie Robertson, Shine Your Light (Ladder 49) - YouTube (external - login to view)
 
L Gilbert
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Yeah. Wifey's fave Robbie tune is "Catch the Blue Train".

hehe Maybe Dumpy hasn't even heard of Eric Clapton.
 
wulfie68
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

Looks from the OP like the Indians, or at least that particular one, think they have a Canadian problem. Personally, I find a guy who makes an extravagant claim like "Without Tecumseh’s military genius the red white and blue would be flying from the Arctic to the Gulf of Mexico, from St. John’s to Victoria." a little hard to take seriously.

Well, it was Tecumseh's aboriginal forces, working with General Isaac Brock and his British regulars that stopped the invasion of Upper Canada in 1812 and took the counter offensive, capturing several American forts and most of what is now Michigan, so that claim isn't so far off as it may seem at first...
 
Serryah
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Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

Yeah. Wifey's fave Robbie tune is "Catch the Blue Train".

Showdown at Big Sky is probably one of my fav's of his.

Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

hehe Maybe Dumpy hasn't even heard of Eric Clapton.

Probably not.
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

hehe Maybe Dumpy hasn't even heard of Eric Clapton.

Is that the guy from Southpark?
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Is that the guy from Southpark?

Who, dumpy?
 
Dexter Sinister
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Quote: Originally Posted by wulfie68View Post

Well, it was Tecumseh's aboriginal forces, working with General Isaac Brock and his British regulars that stopped the invasion of Upper Canada in 1812 and took the counter offensive, capturing several American forts and most of what is now Michigan, so that claim isn't so far off as it may seem at first...

I remain unconvinced. He was at the siege of Detroit, which surrendered without much of a fight after Tecumseh successfully duped the American commander into thinking he had a far bigger force than he did, he was killed in 1813 at the Battle of the Thames, which the Americans won, and they recaptured Detroit. Doesn't sound to me like his presence was decisive.
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Who, dumpy?


Eric Clapton



I know he sings. He does a kick *** version of Come Sail Away

Eric Cartman - Come Sail Away - YouTube (external - login to view)


Oops, I guess it`s Eric Cartman, not Clapton. It`s easy to see why one could be confused.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Who, dumpy?

Jimmy's ex.
 
L Gilbert
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Who, dumpy?

lol.

Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Eric Clapton



I know he sings. He does a kick *** version of Come Sail Away



Oops, I guess it`s Eric Cartman, not Clapton. It`s easy to see why one could be confused.

Yeah, they sure sound and look alike.
 
The Old Medic
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So, rights are to be determined by POLLING?

Or, how the aboriginal peoples of Canada are treated is to be a popularity game?

In actual fact, had the Indians NOT supported the British side, it IS highly likely that the Americans would have taken Canada during the war of 1812. So many Canadians forget that the sentiment in the Atlantic Provinces was a lot more pro-American than pro-British.

And, you might just want to consider the fact that Canada has been cited, REPEATEDLY, by the United Nations for it's refusal to properly treat it's native peoples.

Canada refuses to honor either the Jay treaty or the Treaty of Paris, both of which enacted specific rights for the Native people of the US and Canada. It's funny, but the United States honors those provisions in their entirety, while Canada refuses to honor any of them. Any Canadian Indian, of 50% native ancestry or more, can enter the USA without a "green card" seek and obtain employment, obtain a Social security Card, bring in any and all personal possessions and trade with any natives in Canada 100% duty free, and they never have to go through obtaining any Visa, import/export permit, etc.

But, Canada does not allow American Indians to come into Canada, obtain employment, bring in any goods (personal or otherwise), or live in the country without going through the normal immigration process. They also will not allow Canadian Indians to bring any goods back across the border, without the same duties schedule as any other Canadian.

This is just ONE of the many ways that Canada simply refuses to acknowledge the rights of their indigenous peoples.
 
dumpthemonarchy
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How come the UN never condemns native leaders for letting their people live in squalor on so many reserves? Attack a big soft target like Canada and the apologists come out and make useless noise. Takes two to tango.

Treaties are dated, they separate people by race and they shouldn't, because scientifically, race doesn't exist. So why do we have treaites and a separation of races in the country? A rich country that does more than most ensure the population, without discriminaition, has decent living standards.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

How come the UN never condemns native leaders for letting their people live in squalor on so many reserves? Attack a big soft target like Canada and the apologists come out and make useless noise. Takes two to tango.

Treaties are dated, they separate people by race and they shouldn't, because scientifically, race doesn't exist. So why do we have treaites and a separation of races in the country? A rich country that does more than most ensure the population, without discriminaition, has decent living standards.

What other laws would you throw out.
If there were no Aboriginals - First Nations, who would be your next racial victim.
Which culture is next on your list. Come on tell us - Muslims, Africans, Chinese - Who would be next.
 
dumpthemonarchy
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Some people are feeling a little fascistic, agree with me or else.

Trouble is in Canada, the economy and public attutdes change faster than the govt. The senate has been found to be useless for over 100 years, yet still it slumbers on. Can't change it. Too many rural seats, no change permitted. Just keep everything the same so the dullards can sleep on.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

Some people are feeling a little fascistic, agree with me or else.

Trouble is in Canada, the economy and public attutdes change faster than the govt. The senate has been found to be useless for over 100 years, yet still it slumbers on. Can't change it. Too many rural seats, no change permitted. Just keep everything the same so the dullards can sleep on.

No sarcasm - You bring up a problem, but your hatred of Natives is what brings the problem forwards along with your so called solutions. You think you fool people. Really.

Yes we have dullards in this country along with hateful fuks like yourself. Myself i will choose the dullard.
 
dumpthemonarchy
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

No sarcasm - You bring up a problem, but your hatred of Natives is what brings the problem forwards along with your so called solutions. You think you fool people. Really.

Yes we have dullards in this country along with hateful fuks like yourself. Myself i will choose the dullard.

No no no, you're the dullard. Can't you see, people like yourself think there are no aboriginal problems that can't be solved by doing nothing. Anyone who has ideas outside the little box you inhabit must he hateful because minds like yours can't see anything different, ever. Children living n crack shacks across the country? no problem, you'll just watch more hockey. Children growing up with no education of job skills? Hockey hockey hockey.

You're why people hate politics in Canada, all you do is oppose, you have no ideas at all. If you do state them.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

No no no, you're the dullard. Can't you see, people like yourself think there are no aboriginal problems that can't be solved by doing nothing. Anyone who has ideas outside the little box you inhabit must he hateful because minds like yours can't see anything different, ever. Children living n crack shacks across the country? no problem, you'll just watch more hockey. Children growing up with no education of job skills? Hockey hockey hockey.

You're why people hate politics in Canada, all you do is oppose, you have no ideas at all. If you do state them.


Your idea of solving the problem is by taking everything away from First Nations and having them disappear into the Canadian population.
 
dumpthemonarchy
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Your idea of solving the problem is by taking everything away from First Nations and having them disappear into the Canadian population.

That is what some successful aboriginal chiefs suggest.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

Treaties are dated, they separate people by race...

No they don't.

Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

Some people are feeling a little fascistic, agree with me or else.

Every time you admit that, you're one step closer to better mental health.

Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

No no no, you're the dullard. Can't you see, people like yourself think there are no aboriginal problems that can't be solved by doing nothing.

Can you point out where Goob's has said that?

Quote:

Anyone who has ideas outside the little box you inhabit must he hateful because minds like yours can't see anything different, ever.

You aren't thinking outside the box. You're thoughts aren't even remotely unique.

Quote:

You're why people hate politics in Canada, all you do is oppose, you have no ideas at all.

A classic example of projection.

Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

That is what some successful aboriginal chiefs suggest.

Which Chiefs would those be?
 

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