#1Feb 22nd, 2012
Considering that it is optional, at least in principle, I don't see the issue with it. I can understand the concern over how consensual it is, but that detail aside, if it's voluntary, what's the issue?
Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Considering that it is optional, at least in principle, I don't see the issue with it. I can understand the concern over how consensual it is, but that detail aside, if it's voluntary, what's the issue?
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#2 Top Rated PostRe: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012
Why should they have the option? Pedophiles should only have 2 options. Castration or execution.
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Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
The human body is designed with one specific task before all others. Making more humans.--
Considering that it is optional, at least in principle, I don't see the issue with it. I can understand the concern over how consensual it is, but that detail aside, if it's voluntary, what's the issue?
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Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012
Gotta protect the rights of the guilty.
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Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave
Then I guess putting it that way, you'd agree that giving them the option of castration or imprisonment is generous, isn't it? So how can it be a human rights issue?Why should they have the option? Pedophiles should only have 2 options. Castration or execution.
Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Not necessarily. However, if the man chooses to be castrated of his own free will, then what's the issue?The human body is designed with one specific task before all others. Making more humans.
Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiing
Agreed... including the right to choose to be castrated, I say.Gotta protect the rights of the guilty.
Heck, while we're at it, I'd have no issue with hanging a noose in the cell of all murderers. No coersion, just, you know, giving them a chance to be a good sport about it.
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Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012
If you give up one right you may as well give them all up.
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Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012
I guess in some cases I can be pro-choice when it comes to castration for sex offenders and hanging oneself for murderers.
for arsonists, maybe put a match and an oil jug in his fireproof cell, and let him swim in it and play with the matches to his heart's content. To keep medical costs down, don't give him the match until he's doused himself real well.
So yes, I am very pro-choice when it comes to giving inmates more options.
for arsonists, maybe put a match and an oil jug in his fireproof cell, and let him swim in it and play with the matches to his heart's content. To keep medical costs down, don't give him the match until he's doused himself real well.
So yes, I am very pro-choice when it comes to giving inmates more options.
Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Exactly. How dare they remove his right to be castrated.If you give up one right you may as well give them all up.
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Feb 22nd, 2012
Everybody wants to harm inmates....until they become one.
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Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
No, no, no. We're talking about giving them more choices here.Everybody wants to harm inmates....until they become one.
But OK, on a more serious note, yes I believe inmates have a right to safety and security. But the jokes aside, I actually find the initial OP reasonable seeing that the inmate is being given a legitimate choice.
No this is unreasonable seeing that he has not even been convicted yet:
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And even if he had been, the guards' job is to protect inmates, not intentionally put them in harm's way.
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Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012
I like one thing in Robert Sawyer's 'Hominid / Neanderthal' series - anyone found guilty of murder or similar crimes, the assumption was that it was a genetic problem, so all of their immediate family was sterilized.
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Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave
Or combine the two. That being said there are lots of crimes that are just as bad for kids that do not get the same public outrage. Enron for example, a few god rich and many others got something that is just a devastating as being sexually abused.Why should they have the option? Pedophiles should only have 2 options. Castration or execution.
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny
I liked that aspect when it happened with the furnace incident in the Book of Daniel. The ones who caused the incident were sent to the furnace along with their whole family. A more modern version might have a crooked politician being killed and then his family. If that 'wildly publicized rule' isn't enough to keep him honest his family will certainly make sure he toes the line.I like one thing in Robert Sawyer's 'Hominid / Neanderthal' series - anyone found guilty of murder or similar crimes, the assumption was that it was a genetic problem, so all of their immediate family was sterilized.
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Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by MHz
Oh, please tell me what did anyone get from Enron that is just as devastating as being sexually abused.Enron for example, a few god rich and many others got something that is just a devastating as being sexually abused.
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Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
Does castration work?No, no, no. We're talking about giving them more choices here.
But OK, on a more serious note, yes I believe inmates have a right to safety and security. But the jokes aside, I actually find the initial OP reasonable seeing that the inmate is being given a legitimate choice.
No this is unreasonable seeing that he has not even been convicted yet:
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And even if he had been, the guards' job is to protect inmates, not intentionally put them in harm's way.
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Feb 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny
How many workers and shareholders got ****ed over, perhaps lost their life savings just before they were going to be used. Why should that be treated as being less?Oh, please tell me what did anyone get from Enron that is just as devastating as being sexually abused.
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#15Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by MHz
So, losing some money is worse than being sexually abused?How many workers and shareholders got ****ed over, perhaps lost their life savings just before they were going to be used. Why should that be treated as being less?
I think we have a far better idea of what you really think of as 'meaningful' - money and status, being a doctor or a vet, and having lots of money. Who cares if someone ties you up and rapes you anally? Apparently, you don't, as long as you have money.
Is your name Graham James, by chance?
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Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny
I've heard of him. He drives Broncos.Is your name Graham James, by chance?
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#17Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Does it work? Is it therapy or is it punishment? If it is punishment, it should be done in publicDoes castration work?
with an ax. If it is therapy, ditto.
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Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by #juan
I hate to burst bubbles but it's a chemical castration. No lopping involved.Does it work? Is it therapy or is it punishment? If it is punishment, it should be done in public
with an ax. If it is therapy, ditto.
Does it work?
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Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny
Not some money their life savings.So, losing some money is worse than being sexually abused?
I think we have a far better idea of what you really think of as 'meaningful' - money and status, being a doctor or a vet, and having lots of money. Who cares if someone ties you up and rapes you anally? Apparently, you don't, as long as you have money.
Is your name Graham James, by chance?
If that sort of abuse is such an abomination to you why not apply that same rule Germany has to all the priests that have ****ed kids and are out free to do the same thing again. Enron was fully prosecuted nor are known cases of child rape, funny thing you bring up money, all the peds and tard like Enron had usually get away with it because they have lots of money. Is that going to be what gives you a boner for the rest of the week?
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Feb 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by MHz
You're completely incoherent, maybe you need to stop drinking so early in the day.Not some money their life savings.
If that sort of abuse is such an abomination to you why not apply that same rule Germany has to all the priests that have ****ed kids and are out free to do the same thing again. Enron was fully prosecuted nor are known cases of child rape, funny thing you bring up money, all the peds and tard like Enron had usually get away with it because they have lots of money. Is that going to be what gives you a boner for the rest of the week?
You're now suggesting that sexually abusing children isn't an abomination to you, I guess that must be written down in this 'Bible' that you like so much - money and status are important, but sexually abusing kids is okay.
Sure thing, Mr James.
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Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny
Judging by the two missing Commandments , 11 No slavery and 12 no child abuse, It must be okay?You're now suggesting that sexually abusing children isn't an abomination to you, I guess that must be written down in this 'Bible' that you like so much - money and status are important, but sexually abusing kids is okay.
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Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
If you read the link in the OP, it's not 100% effective but does reduce repetition considerably compared to those who don't get it.Does castration work?
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Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
Is that a proven stat or is it based on observation?If you read the link in the OP, it's not 100% effective but does reduce repetition considerably compared to those who don't get it.
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Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny
At least you cleared up that only one is a crime.Sure thing, Mr James.
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Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
I don't know.Is that a proven stat or is it based on observation?
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Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Too bad.I hate to burst bubbles but it's a chemical castration. No lopping involved.
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Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by #juan
The results are the same.Too bad.
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Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
But a public lopitoffofme is a much better example. I noticed that there are some leftards on here that support pedophiles.The results are the same.
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Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012
I would say the odds are quite hight that all peds have been abused at the early stages of their childhood, I can't help but wish their abusers were also held accountable (not that the birth parents are the only suspects. If you can't cure something then looking into the causes might be the only effective way of reducing the number that fall into this kind of illness.
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Re: Germany urged to end sex offender castration
Feb 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by MHz
We may not be able to do any thing about past problems but we can help kids in the future by eliminating any possibility of repeat offenders.I would say the odds are quite hight that all peds have been abused at the early stages of their childhood, I can't help but wish their abusers were also held accountable (not that the birth parents are the only suspects. If you can't cure something then looking into the causes might be the only effective way of reducing the number that fall into this kind of illness.
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