Changes to immigration system will help bring in more skilled immigrants


dumpthemonarchy
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Which means possibly more Europeans, the key word being skilled here. People not in the unskilled family class who are having greater difficulty adjusting to the country. Ttradespeople are very likely to have useful skills and language ability to quickly prosper once they arrive.

NDP MP Olivia Chow said the federal government would serve Canadians better by training people out of work at home, before looking abroad to fill labour needs. This caters to the local ethnic crowd, but many Asians and Africans just aren't into trades. Many dislike manual labour. And in a world of communication, information and marketing, they lack those soft skills too.

Or, we could use the Aussie system, which was our system 40 years ago, taking in immigrants based on economic need, not multicultural political winds of the day. We'll get there soon I suppose. Seems pretty radical to some.




Changes to immigration system will help Canada bring in tradespeople: Kenney (external - login to view)



Changes to immigration system will help Canada bring in tradespeople: Kenney



More skilled workers will help fill gap



By Robert Hiltz, Postmedia News January 30, 2012





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Citizenship and Immigration Minister Jason Kenney says changes are coming to Canada's immigration system to make it more flexible in an effort to combat labour shortages.

Photograph by: Chris Wattie, Reuters




OTTAWA — Citizenship and Immigration Minister Jason Kenney says changes are coming to Canada’s immigration system to make it more flexible in an effort to combat labour shortages.

Kenney told CTV’s Question Period that the government is planning to change the points system for selecting immigrants to recognize the skilled trades. This policy change would alter the focus of the traditional immigration preference for university-educated migrants including engineers and doctors.

“People who are skilled tradespeople have an almost impossible job of coming to Canada under our current system because the skilled worker program basically selects people with advanced university degrees,” Kenney told CTV.
He said by opening up the border to more trade-oriented workers, the federal government will be able to attract “hidden jewels” that will help fill labour shortages in specific areas.

NDP MP Olivia Chow said the federal government would serve Canadians better by training people out of work at home, before looking abroad to fill labour needs.

“We have 1.4 million Canadians looking for work and the apprenticeship programs and school training programs can certainly be ramped up,” Chow said. “Those (companies) that train workers — and train unemployed workers especially — should be rewarded with a tax break.”

She said Canada has relied on immigration too often to fill needs in the labour market, where there are plenty of options at home.
Chow said only bringing in workers would make it difficult for those who gain residency or citizenship to bring their families to Canada.
Kenney said there were plans to make it easier to deport people from the country found to be inadmissible by immigration officials.
“We’ll be coming forward with legislation on that in this term of Parliament to streamline the number of almost endless appeals that exist,” he said.

“When these people hire clever lawyers, they’re able to go back with endless appeals,” Kenney said. “We need to say, ‘You get your day in court in Canada, but not 20 years in court.’ ”

Chow said there is no need to change the rules surrounding deportation to remove people from Canada. Instead, she said, the Canada Border Services Agency should keep better track of individuals set for deportation.

A scathing auditor general’s report released in November said the CBSA was lacking guidance, training and information to properly determine who should and shouldn’t be let into Canada.

In an effort to track down people set for deportation, the CBSA rolled out a most wanted list to enlist the public’s help in tracking down people convicted of serious crimes and suspected war criminals that have slipped past the CBSA.

Kenney used as example the case of Leon Mugesera, a suspect wanted in his native Rwanda and accused of inciting the 1994 genocide — where close to one million minority Tutsis and moderate Hutus were slaughtered. Mugesera was shipped back to his homeland this month after at 15 year legal battle over his deportation — an example that Chow said was extreme.

The minister also said there were no plans to expand the recent changes to government regulations making it mandatory for immigrants taking the oath of citizenship to reveal their faces, even if they wear traditional coverings like the niqab or burka.
He said it was already standard procedure for face coverings to be removed in interviews with visa officers.

“The general principle should be that when citizens are interacting with the government, with the state, they should be showing us who they are, uncovering their faces, and I think we’re taking a reasonable approach to that,” he said.
 
TenPenny
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Oh **** off with your racist ****, you're a pathetic little man.
 
dumpthemonarchy
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

Oh **** off with your racist ****, you're a pathetic little man.

Another fan!

But seriously folks, I keep reading how Austrailia has a booming economy. And that is because they haven't taken in 250,000 immigrants per year since 1990, many who require large amounts of govt assistance to get by. So the Aussies do not have a large number of people who are underemployed or unemployed.

And it was Ukrainians who pushed the most for multiculturalism in in the 1960s. Long before Canada had large non-European immigration levels.
 
gerryh
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If they can spell.....they're better than you.
 
damngrumpy
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There are many problems facing us in the job market and immigration alone will not solve
the problem. We do need to expand the Canadian family and for more than just employment
reasons. We have additional problems other than just trades.
To start with we have thousands of jobs we can't fill because we don't have people trained to
do them, and we must reinstate or channel our training efforts in those areas. The most
important change is a mental one. Canadians must view education and training as an over
all investment not an expense. Government must put money up front for post secondary
education with financing on merit or marks based achievement. When the student is finished,
if they needed assistance they would work for the country at a lower rate for a specified time,
therefore providing something back and the government would get a large portion of its
money back and at the same time have an investment in a trained workforce that would make
our economy more able to adjust to change.
Even more important we must ensure we are admitting people who have something in common
with the rest of the country. This means Canadians of convenience would not get in just to have
a passport. This means we would ensure we are not letting criminals in or those who are not
in keeping with Canadian values such as democracy.
I think we can benefit from people coming from everywhere but we must ensure we are not setting
ourselves up for problems down the road.
 
dumpthemonarchy
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

If they can spell.....they're better than you.

Luv the simpletons. So, does Sudan, India, Nigeria, Bangladesh or Syria have a tradition of skilled trades like Switzerland, Germany or Sweden? Let's not joke here, no.

I'm beginning to think the multiculturalists and their fellow travelers are really a bunch of fascists. Fascists believe in the will, even if you failed grade 2 math, you can be a mathematician if you really want to be. They're not much interested in facts, historical or otherwise.

Our immigration has been designed for the real estate industry. Let them in to fill jobs so they can buy houses. Oops, the jobs dried up, massive, uncontrolled immigration became redundant. Plus, immigrants export next to nothing, they create few jobs on their own.
We also need Asian immigration of course for sushi restaurants, girlfriends/wives, and short white women who need to buy stylish clothes.
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

Another fan!

But seriously folks, I keep reading how Austrailia has a booming economy. And that is because they haven't taken in 250,000 immigrants per year since 1990, many who require large amounts of govt assistance to get by. So the Aussies do not have a large number of people who are underemployed or unemployed.

And it was Ukrainians who pushed the most for multiculturalism in in the 1960s. Long before Canada had large non-European immigration levels.

Can you explain why immigration is okay only as long as they are European immigrants?
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

Luv the simpletons. So, does Sudan, India, Nigeria, Bangladesh or Syria have a tradition of skilled trades like Switzerland, Germany or Sweden? Let's not joke here, no.

I'm beginning to think the multiculturalists and their fellow travelers are really a bunch of fascists. Fascists believe in the will, even if you failed grade 2 math, you can be a mathematician if you really want to be. They're not much interested in facts, historical or otherwise.

Our immigration has been designed for the real estate industry. Let them in to fill jobs so they can buy houses. Oops, the jobs dried up, massive, uncontrolled immigration became redundant. Plus, immigrants export next to nothing, they create few jobs on their own.
We also need Asian immigration of course for sushi restaurants, girlfriends/wives, and short white women who need to buy stylish clothes.

Every single time you bring up immigration, it's an anti Asian bullstream.

Did you get food poisoning from bad Chinese food or something?

And you say 'luv the simpletons'?
If you want to see a simpleton, look in the mirror - you are the best example.
 
L Gilbert
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"Changes to immigration system will help bring in more skilled immigrants"

I'll see it before I believe it.
 
GreenFish66
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I've worked with many skilled immigrants .....Lawyers..Accountants...Teachers.....Met them while we were all working in a factory for $11/hr...Man did we have some great conversations...Main one being how upset they were to be highly qualified...; working in a dead end job, unable to get ahead...let alone pay for rent/ food/ transportation...

It wasn't what they had expected...

Then it snowed..

--- Better times lay ahead -- I said..(.. could be worse ..)

______________________

Governments/Big Biz don't seem to be creating jobs people want..The Jobs that make the people, the things they want; but for some reason can't afford to buy anyway..So the gov. brings in more people ...promising them more...setting them up ...for what?..Failure?

Hard to sustain an acceptable 1st world standard of living when the standards by Government/Biz seem so lowly..

Here's hopin things get better...Heads Up!..Gotta keep movin' positively forward into the future...
Last edited by GreenFish66; Feb 14th, 2012 at 03:43 PM..
 
TenPenny
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Kenny is the one who ushered in the two classes of citizenship, so he can go fuk dumpy and die.
 
Nuggler
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A fella in Nfld. needed a mechanic to work in his garage.

No takers. He was going to have to close the business as he just could not keep up with the work.

Finally advertised on the net.

Got a mechanic from Sri Lanka. Guy comes over, works all day with a ten or twenty minute break. His idea, not the employers. Worked for 18 months, finally took some time off to go get his wife and kids. Pretty much the first thing his wife did is get a job in the local fish packing plant.

Fast forward a year or so and his daughters are acing it in school. Couldn't speak a word of English when they arrived. A YEAR OR SO...........

By now his brother (also a mechanic) has arrived and working in the same garage.

The garage owner thinks he's died and gone to heaven.

Tell me again why people from Asian countries don't make good quality immigrants.


The doc was on "Land and Sea"...........good program.
 
Durry
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Interesting point of view in this video.

The More the Merrier? | Population Institute Canada (external - login to view)
 
dumpthemonarchy
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Quote: Originally Posted by NugglerView Post

A fella in Nfld. needed a mechanic to work in his garage.

No takers. He was going to have to close the business as he just could not keep up with the work.

Finally advertised on the net.

Got a mechanic from Sri Lanka. Guy comes over, works all day with a ten or twenty minute break. His idea, not the employers. Worked for 18 months, finally took some time off to go get his wife and kids. Pretty much the first thing his wife did is get a job in the local fish packing plant.

Fast forward a year or so and his daughters are acing it in school. Couldn't speak a word of English when they arrived. A YEAR OR SO...........

By now his brother (also a mechanic) has arrived and working in the same garage.

The garage owner thinks he's died and gone to heaven.

Tell me again why people from Asian countries don't make good quality immigrants.


The doc was on "Land and Sea"...........good program.

That to me is how the system should work. Take one at a time, see how they work out, and if things go well, they stay. They don't fill out forms in Asia from a deluded Dept of Immigration infested with ignorant and ideological multicutluralists. They come here and they work, just like immigrants did prior to 1980. This guy or his wife gets no subsidy or classes from the govt. He got the same amount my dad got from govts in 1955, $0.

Targeted immigration, like the example above, is far better than the moronic "goals" of 250,000 immigrants per year that we've had for 20 years. Recent immigration from Asia and Africa are generally not skilled, trained or experiened about Canada. So they have a tougher time adjusting as thier incomes have dropped. Yet, because this is happening, the multiculturalists call Canadians racists. More white guilt. ha ha ha

Failed immigrants sympathise with the Toronto 18, live in expanding enclaves, follow news from back home on the internet, and fly home when they can. Canada gave them citizenship real cheap and become convenient Canadians. Time to stop the silliness.

There was no vote to dramatically change Canada's immigration system in the late 1980s by our elites. So now if we protest this misguided govt policy, we're racists, piss off.
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

Failed immigrants sympathise with the Toronto 18, live in expanding enclaves, follow news from back home on the internet, and fly home when they can. Canada gave them citizenship real cheap and become convenient Canadians. Time to stop the silliness.

Are you saying that we shouldn't allow immigrants to use the internet, or fly outside of the country?

Boy, when you get worked up about them smelly people, you get all incoherent. It's actually kinda funny, in a twisted way. Do you froth at the mouth, too?
 
dumpthemonarchy
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

Are you saying that we shouldn't allow immigrants to use the internet, or fly outside of the country?

Boy, when you get worked up about them smelly people, you get all incoherent. It's actually kinda funny, in a twisted way. Do you froth at the mouth, too?

Absolutely, you now have to be approved by the Harper Tories to use the internet, because if you're not, you could be surfing for child porn. Really, just go along, because if you're not doing anything illegal, or socially unacceptable, you have nothing to worry about. But please, stick with the govt approved pack or expect a knock on the door and some questions perhaps and more.
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

Absolutely, you now have to be approved by the Harper Tories to use the internet, because if you're not, you could be surfing for child porn. Really, just go along, because if you're not doing anything illegal, or socially unacceptable, you have nothing to worry about. But please, stick with the govt approved pack or expect a knock on the door and some questions perhaps and more.

I hope you realize that Harper is from good old European stock.
 
dumpthemonarchy
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

I hope you realize that Harper is from good old European stock.

Any stock can become demented. Just listen to what Tories are saying on internet snooping and child porn. Dumb dumb dubm
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

Dumb dumb dubm

 
dumpthemonarchy
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Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post


To start with we have thousands of jobs we can't fill because we don't have people trained to
do them, and we must reinstate or channel our training efforts in those areas.

It would be helpful to show some links where those thousands of jobs are that cannot be filled.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

It would be helpful to show some links where those thousands of jobs are that cannot be filled.

jobs in alberta - Google Search (external - login to view)

jobs in saskatchewan - Google Search (external - login to view)
 
taxslave
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Dumpy is not wrong really. It is just that he has this unique way with words that could make helping a blind person across the street seem like a bad thing.
 
relic
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Speaking of jobs,remember the good ol' days when they'd cut off your pogey if you turned down a job,not a job in your chosen field,but a job.Meby that's why we have to import people to pick blueberrys,or vaccinate chickens.You hear all the time what's happening to kids these days ?,wheat the hell do you expect ? Can't make the connection ? I rest my case.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by relicView Post

Speaking of jobs,remember the good ol' days when they'd cut off your pogey if you turned down a job,not a job in your chosen field,but a job.Meby that's why we have to import people to pick blueberrys,or vaccinate chickens.You hear all the time what's happening to kids these days ?,wheat the hell do you expect ? Can't make the connection ? I rest my case.

But they are ENTITLED to a job in their chosen profession. Also a free ride at university courtesy of the taxpayer. Hell we can't even gt enough tree planters in BC in the summer. Too hard of work for the video gamers. Whats really pathetic is the Canadian students union which makes the NDP look like right wingers is publicly complaining that the average student has $24000 debt when finished school. Cost of a mid range car
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Whats really pathetic is the Canadian students union which makes the NDP look like right wingers is publicly complaining that the average student has $24000 debt when finished school. Cost of a mid range car

Interesting isn't it?

Take a drive through the UBC or Simon Fraser campus parking lots and take a look at what's parked on the lot. It sure ain't the collection of 1980's beaters that you'd see on campus in the late '90's.

Add in the iPhones, iPods and other tech toys and it makes you wonder what the students are actually spending their money on.
 
DurkaDurka
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Interesting isn't it?

Take a drive through the UBC or Simon Fraser campus parking lots and take a look at what's parked on the lot. It sure ain't the collection of 1980's beaters that you'd see on campus in the late '90's.

Add in the iPhones, iPods and other tech toys and it makes you wonder what the students are actually spending their money on.

Booze and hookers I hope.
 
Nuggler
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

I hope you realize that Harper is from good old European stock.


his stock, of late, has lost a lot of its value. Never had a helluva lot to begin with. I dunno about the good, old, forebears.

just sayin.

Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurkaView Post

Booze and hookers I hope.


the rest they spend wastefully..................
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurkaView Post

Booze and hookers I hope.

That's all part of the university experience, isn't it?

Hell, there are more folks than I care to recall that learned what tetracycline actually was as the result of certain, ah, extra circular field trips
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by NugglerView Post

his stock, of late, has lost a lot of its value. Never had a helluva lot to begin with. I dunno about the good, old, forebears.

just sayin.

His grandfather was an interesting character.
 
Nuggler
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

His grandfather was an interesting character.

OK, there's one.
 

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