Syria - |UN peace Keepers or interventions


View Poll Results: Arab League to intervene if killings continue in Syria
Yes - but only with sanctions 0 0%
Arab league should increase sanctions 1 25.00%
Yes with armed force if required 0 0%
No - armed force should not be used 2 50.00%
Arab league to inform Russia China that a Veto would be unacceptable. 1 25.00%
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Goober
#1
BEIRUT) — Gunmen assassinated an army general in Damascus on Saturday in the first killing of a high ranking military officer in the Syrian capital since the uprising against President Bashar Assad's regime began in March, the state-run news agency said.

The attack is a sign that violence in Syria is reaching the tightly controlled capital, which has been relatively quiet compared to other cities. Though there was no immediate claim of responsibility, it could also indicate that rebel soldiers who have risen up in numerous cities and towns are trying to step up action in Damascus.

SANA news agency said three gunmen opened fire at Brig. Gen. Issa al-Khouli in the morning as he left his home in the Damascus neighborhood of Rukn-Eddine. Al-Khouli was a doctor and the chief of a military hospital in the capital. Such assassinations are not uncommon outside Damascus and army officers have been killed in the past, mostly in the restive provinces of Homs and Idlib.
(Syria Under Siege: Photographs by Alessio Romenzi)

Violence in other parts of the country left at least 11 people dead as regime troops pushed into rebel-held neighborhoods in the restive central city of Homs and shelled the mountain town of Zabadani, north of Damascus. The U.N. estimates that 5,400 people have been killed in Syria since the uprising began in March. But that figure is from January, when the U.N. stopped counting because the chaos in the country has made it all but impossible to check the figures. Hundreds are reported to have been killed since.
 
earth_as_one
#2
Only two ways exist to stop the bloodshed:

1) Invasion/Occupation by an international force

2) The presence of a massive UN Peacekeeper mission.

Option 1 is out as a result of the Russian China veto... China and Russia voted against a motion calling for Assad to step down and hand over power. These nations face similar internal unrest and know that they could face the exact same situation in the future. Option 2 is still a possibility. But the US and the west aren't interested in option 2. They'd rather have continued unrest than pay the cost of sending in peacekeepers. Considering the financial precariousness of most Western Nations, that's not a surprise.

Most likely Western powers will arm the rebels resulting in a prolonged and bloody civil war.

I support sanctions against Syria and providing rebels with sophisticated communication equipment only. We should also provide humanitarian food and medical aid.
 
Goober
+1
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

Only two ways exist to stop the bloodshed:

1) Invasion/Occupation by an international force

2) The presence of a massive UN Peacekeeper mission.

Option 1 is out as a result of the Russian China veto... China and Russia voted against a motion calling for Assad to step down and hand over power. These nations face similar internal unrest and know that they could face the exact same situation in the future. Option 2 is still a possibility. But the US and the west aren't interested in option 2. They'd rather have continued unrest than pay the cost of sending in peacekeepers. Considering the financial precariousness of most Western Nations, that's not a surprise.

Most likely Western powers will arm the rebels resulting in a prolonged and bloody civil war.

I support sanctions against Syria and providing rebels with sophisticated communication equipment only. We should also provide humanitarian food and medical aid.

So you support the rebels being able to talk securely. Wow. No not a Wow, really not a surprise. You seem attracted to ruthless regimes as long as they are anti Israel.
 
earth_as_one
+1
#4
FYI:
I've been writing posts against Syria on this forum for nearly a year.

Mar 21st, 2011

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I've consistently supported freedom, justice and fairness in all cases. Goober supports killing innocent civilians including children when it works in Israel's favor and only opposes it when it works against Israel.
 
MHz
#5
So if Syria is to save itself she has to surrender to Russia, or China, or Iran? Then if NATO wanted to support the GCC 'invasion' then they would be coming up against a 'super power' rather than somebody with no spare parts at the beginning of a conflict. That should make some stocks rise unexpectedly except for the 'insiders'
 
Goober
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

So if Syria is to save itself she has to surrender to Russia, or China, or Iran? Then if NATO wanted to support the GCC 'invasion' then they would be coming up against a 'super power' rather than somebody with no spare parts at the beginning of a conflict. That should make some stocks rise unexpectedly except for the 'insiders'

Only a matter of time before Assad goes out easily or in a box


Russia changes tack on Syrian intervention - The Globe and Mail

As the carnage in Syria worsened, Russia signaled a new-found willingness Monday to consider international intervention while the world’s nations planned a United Nations vote aimed at exposing the inaction of the great powers.

Syrian guns pounded anti-government strongholds in the opposition stronghold of Homs and the Arab League called for UN blue helmets to “to supervise implementation of a cease-fire.”


In Moscow, the shift indicated Russia was moving from defending Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, its primary Arab ally, to managing a transition.

Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Russia, “together with other permanent members of the UN Security Council, (is) ready to promote the dialogue and an agreement.”

After twice vetoing Security Council resolutions condemning the brutal crackdown on pro-democracy protestors by forces loyal to Mr. Assad, Russia may be abandoning its absolute defence of the Syrian regime.

But Russia’s call for a ceasefire prior to any conference could prove impossible to achieve.

Meanwhile, in the General Assembly at the UN in New York, the world’s nations were planning to vote Monday on a resolution condemning Syria. Unlike the Security Council, where any of the five veto-wielding permanent members – Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States – can block any resolution, only a simply majority is needed in the 193-nation General Assembly. A vote is expected later this week.
 
MHz
+1
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Only a matter of time before Assad goes out easily or in a box
.

Just when NATO needs it the most. Same old, same old.
FAKED 15-YO KUWAITI GIRL TESTIMONY - YouTube (external - login to view)

Which do you prefer, democracy via the barrel of a gun or a dictatorship via the barrel of a gun?
 
EagleSmack
+2
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post


2) The presence of a massive UN Peacekeeper mission.

Option 2 is still a possibility. But the US and the west aren't interested in option 2. They'd rather have continued unrest than pay the cost of sending in peacekeepers. Considering the financial precariousness of most Western Nations, that's not a surprise.

.

Since when does Peacekeeping work when two adversaries are intent on fighting?
 
petros
#9
How many of you will complain when a couple million Christian Syrians show up on Nor Am's doorstep as refugees?
 
Goober
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

How many of you will complain when a couple million Christian Syrians show up on Nor Am's doorstep as refugees?

Same will happen in Egypt- 8 million Copts.
 
Spade
#11
It's been a bit of a slow day, so I've been thinking...
What if we had adopted the Norse gods?
Well, the Scandinavians would be the chosen people; and Abba would be a religious experience.
And, what if oil reserves were distributed more equitably around the globe?
Would the hot topic on CC be bison ranching?
As always,
Spade
PS
Next year in Oslo!
 
CDNBear
+1
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

I support sanctions against Syria and providing rebels with sophisticated communication equipment only.

We already know you support electronic warfare.

Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

I've consistently supported freedom, justice and fairness in all cases. Goober supports killing innocent civilians including children when it works in Israel's favor and only opposes it when it works against Israel.

Can you back that up with some quotes?
 
Goober
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

It's been a bit of a slow day, so I've been thinking...
What if we had adopted the Norse gods?
Well, the Scandinavians would be the chosen people; and Abba would be a religious experience.
And, what if oil reserves were distributed more equitably around the globe?
Would the hot topic on CC be bison ranching?
As always,
Spade
PS
Next year in Oslo!

Read way back when the Brits created those countries in the ME - Went against Lawrence's recommendations and history shows he was right.
 
Spade
#14
Britain gassed, and blasted, and iron-fisted to no avail. Time for us to learn.
 
Goober
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Britain gassed, and blasted, and iron-fisted to no avail. Time for us to learn.

Also time for the Arab world to hold regimes accountable. A slow process to democracy - Syria is already descending into sectarian violence and has for the past number of months, and like Petros mentioned Christians will be a main target if the regime keeps up the killings.
 
MHz
#16
People are getting faster at spotting bull**** if nothing else.

High-Tech Trickery in Homs? | Veterans Today (external - login to view)
 
CDNBear
+3
#17  Top Rated Post
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

People are getting faster at spotting bull**** if nothing else.

Getting? You've always posted fast.
 
MHz
#18
Are these the 'bodyguards' for the 'peaceful protester?

Syria 3/1/2012 Just have a look close at the Terrorists asking the Arab Monitors for help. - YouTube (external - login to view)
 
Goober
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

Are these the 'bodyguards' for the 'peaceful protester?

Syria 3/1/2012 Just have a look close at the Terrorists asking the Arab Monitors for help. - YouTube (external - login to view)

Human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (external - login to view)

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Do you need more information?
 
MHz
#20
Iran is another thread, should I answer there?

Why didn't they get 'proper training' in the decades since they were disarmed in '67.

British cop heads oppressions in Bahrain - YouTube (external - login to view)
 
Goober
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

Iran is another thread, should I answer there?

Why didn't they get 'proper training' in the decades since they were disarmed in '67.

British cop heads oppressions in Bahrain - YouTube (external - login to view)

So you can see how the Arab elite treats their citizens. Good.
 
MHz
#22
It will be interesting to see if a 'cease-fire' can be arranged and some sort of 'mediation/grievance' process once basic services to the people have been established. That wasn't on NATO's agenda for Libya, ........ or Iraq, well you know the list by now. A new list is emerging the GCC didn't get the report it was 'hoping for'

(in part)
The Arab League's Ministerial Committee had approved the report, with four votes in favor (Algeria, Egypt, Sudan and GCC member Oman) and only one against; guess who, Qatar - which is now presiding the Arab League because the emirate bought their (rotating) turn from the Palestinian Authority.

So the report was either ignored (by Western corporate media) or mercilessly destroyed - by Arab media, virtually all of it financed by either the House of Saud or Qatar. It was not even discussed - because it was prevented by the GCC from being translated from Arabic into English and published in the Arab League's website.

Until it was leaked. Here it is, in full (external - login to view).

The report is adamant. There was no organized, lethal repression by the Syrian government against peaceful protesters. Instead, the report points to shady armed gangs as responsible for hundreds of deaths among Syrian civilians, and over one thousand among the Syrian army, using lethal tactics such as bombing of civilian buses, bombing of trains carrying diesel oil, bombing of police buses and bombing of bridges and pipelines.

www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NB04Ak01.html (external - login to view)

With more and more cameras around video should be the witness in a lot of investigations so the witness list can be huge but the 'entire vid' of 20 witnesses' could be viewed by the Court in one day(and available to the general public in the Court archives). That sort of justice for 'the Public' should be provided in this day and age on the international scene because those events tend to be the most expensive to the world's population. (a part 'they' may not want you to look at)

The General Public can live quite nicely with a Democracy, a Dictatorship, or a Monarchy if the ones in power and their helpers have an ambition of being 'fair' to the ones in lower power or whatever you want to call 'the flock'
Last edited by MHz; Feb 16th, 2012 at 10:18 PM..
 
Goober
#23
'Friends of Syria' Ready Ultimatum for Assad - TIME (external - login to view)

LONDON) — The United States, European and Arab nations are set deliver a stern warning to Syrian President Bashar Assad that he must agree to an immediate cease-fire and allow humanitarian aid into areas hardest hit by his regime's brutal crackdown on opponents or face as-yet unspecified punishments and an increasingly emboldened and powerful armed resistance.

On the eve of a major international conference on Syria in Tunisia, U.S., European and Arab officials worked out details of the demands in London on Thursday as the former United Nations chief, Kofi Annan, was named to be a joint U.N.-Arab League envoy to deal with the crisis.
(PHOTOS: The Syrian Civil War: Photographs by Alessio Romenzi)

Russia and China, foes of any foreign intervention in Syria, reiterated their opposition to an international resolution.

Both nations say they support a "speedy end" to the violence, but they have vetoed two U.N. Security Council resolutions backing Arab League plans aimed at ending the conflict and condemning Assad's crackdown.

Alexei Pushkov, a Russian lawmaker, said Friday after meeting Assad that the Syrian president sounded confident and demonstrated no sign he would he step aside. Pushkov warned that arming the Syrian opposition would fuel civil war.

Diplomats said the "Friends of Syria" group meeting in Tunis on Friday would demand Assad's compliance. They said that failure on his part would result in tougher sanctions and predicted that his opponents would grow stronger unless he accedes and accepts a political transition that would see him leave power.

If Assad doesn't comply, "we think that the pressure will continue to build. ... I think that the strategy followed by the Syrians and their allies is one that can't stand the test of legitimacy ... for any length of time," U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton told reporters in London after meeting about a dozen of her foreign minister colleagues to prepare for the Tunis event.
 
MHz
#24
If a Nation was fully sovereign before hostilities broke out and not fully after the hostilities ended then that has to be resoloved first. Internal battles are decided by the majority when left alone. In times of civil war the citizens are the decider. When outside interests start 'helping' the revolution is for foreign interests, once those are in place the 'cease fire ' begins once they are fully gone and it is back to being just Syrian citizens. When a government is exiled the citizens should then be the deciders, any adult who is familiar with an issue gets to vote on it, rather than election style voting on a bill. That is how Iceland started to rebuild once the ruking gov was 'fired' and they made a very nice recovery an are free of debt to any banks. That being said getting all the spies and mercs before the weapons are unloaded would be totally mandatory.
 
Goober
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

If a Nation was fully sovereign before hostilities broke out and not fully after the hostilities ended then that has to be resoloved first. Internal battles are decided by the majority when left alone. In times of civil war the citizens are the decider. When outside interests start 'helping' the revolution is for foreign interests, once those are in place the 'cease fire ' begins once they are fully gone and it is back to being just Syrian citizens. When a government is exiled the citizens should then be the deciders, any adult who is familiar with an issue gets to vote on it, rather than election style voting on a bill. That is how Iceland started to rebuild once the ruking gov was 'fired' and they made a very nice recovery an are free of debt to any banks. That being said getting all the spies and mercs before the weapons are unloaded would be totally mandatory.

The gangs are a direct result of the Syrian Murders ongoing. Sectarian divide has occurred.
Assad given a choice, leave, face indictment and Turkish controlled safe zones. Which leads to a civil war.
 
MHz
#26
The Military was allowed to rule in Egypt, in this case the Military that has ties with Russia already rather than the newly arrived rebels who would be loyal to their employers, the West. It was the government opposition that laid down their weapons.

Getting all the interviews on tape real early would sure help in the court cases that should follow. In theory if you get the right bad guys nobody is quick to repeat the crime.
 
Goober
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

The Military was allowed to rule in Egypt, in this case the Military that has ties with Russia already rather than the newly arrived rebels who would be loyal to their employers, the West. It was the government opposition that laid down their weapons.

Getting all the interviews on tape real early would sure help in the court cases that should follow. In theory if you get the right bad guys nobody is quick to repeat the crime.

Not everything is a conspiracy to remove Assad.
 
MHz
#28
Change the wording some and I would agree. "Everything promoted by the West is a conspiracy to remove Assad."

I'm not saying big changes can be achieved without some bloodshed but when the opposition starts getting advice from the French version of the CIA and it includes attacking the police/fire/military organizations then use the retaliation as being the initial aggressive act in the news that is fed to the West's general public as being the truth. then that has to be moped up first and that means the existing Military is the security of the nation.
 
Goober
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

Change the wording some and I would agree. "Everything promoted by the West is a conspiracy to remove Assad."

I'm not saying big changes can be achieved without some bloodshed but when the opposition starts getting advice from the French version of the CIA and it includes attacking the police/fire/military organizations then use the retaliation as being the initial aggressive act in the news that is fed to the West's general public as being the truth. then that has to be moped up first and that means the existing Military is the security of the nation.

The initial crack down was by Syrian Military on orders from Assad.
Remember how his father put down dissidents in Homs?
 
L Gilbert
#30
I'd rather the ME countries settle ME problems and do it peacefully as possible.
 

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