Quote: Originally Posted by SaiaF
everyone see that please , and after that tell me what is your opinion
I don't speak Arabic, nor should I have to watch a 40 minute video to figure out what you are getting at. Please express your opinion in a polite and forum rule respecting way, and you'll get a response from me.
The topic of this thread, isn't me or LW or even human shields. This thread is supposed to be about a hacker group called Anonymous launching a cyber attack against Israel's government. We got off track, because I said Anonymous's claims about the Israeli government's and Palestinian injustice and oppression are fundamentally correct. I was responding to a challenge by LW and others to support my viewpoint with reliable references, which I just did. If you review the last few pages, you'll see that I destroyed LW with logic and now they are just being a sore looser. Since they can't support their opinion, they've now resorted name calling and a pitiful attempt to smear me with the "antisemitic" label. Its a far too common tactic here in CC
. I hope you are more respectful and an ability to demonstrate a higher degree of intelligence and class.
Quote: Originally Posted by Just the Facts
Interesting how you define Israeli children as off duty IDF soldiers, the killing of which you can't bring yourself to not call an act of bravery, but not killing an Arab child is a war crime. You do indeed have intrigueing definitions.
How do you reconcile that statement with your belief that blowing up children is an act of bravery, as long as the children are Jewish?
Another lame attempt to attribute false statements to me. You are pathetic JTF. You know that I have no problem recognizing any attack directed at any civilians including children as a war crime.
The attack I was referring to was this one:
On Friday, 25 February 2005, at 11:30 pm, a Palestinian suicide bomber wearing hidden explosives attached to his body, detonated himself in a crowd of young Israelis who were waiting outside a beachfront nightclub near the promenade of Tel Aviv. The blast killed five people and injured more than 50. Most of the victims belonged to an Israeli army reserve unit that was planning to celebrate the birthday of one of its officers at the nightclub.
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Honestly, I'm unsure how to classify this attack. Most of the victims appear to have been off duty IDF soldiers. If any civilians were killed, then they would be what the IDF and US military define as "colateral" damage. As far as I know, no children were killed in that night club bombing. The attacker could have hit another target which was softer than a night club full of off duty IDF soldiers.
If the off duty IDF soldiers were armed as they often are, then they are just as fair game as the armed militants Israel attacks on a daily basis, in their homes, in schools, as they come out of mosques... In many of those attacks, Palestinian civilians are also "collateral" damage.
The suicide bomber might have been insane with anger and hate, but I'd rate them as more brave than an armed soldier hiding behind 11 year old girl as she searches for hostile armed militants with a gun at her back.
Tell you what, JTF, why don't you try to explain the IDF soldier's actions in a way that makes abducting and using an 11 year old girl as a human shield and forcing her at gun point to search for armed militants in a way that makes the soldiers sound more brave than the above suicide bomber.... I predict you will ignore this challenge and call me a joo-hating antiSemite
For the record, I'm against most violence including the above suicide attack. However I would completely support killing the suicide bomber before they could explode their bomb. I'd describe such a killing as "justified self defense". If I was there, had a gun and knew what was about to happen, I'd shoot the suicide bomber myself. I'd feel terrible about it, but given the other choices, that one would be the one which resulted in least harm. As the Dalai Lama stated simply, "If a mad dog is coming towards you, compassion is no use. You need to use your intelligence.
In response to the above, I now predict a lame post by CB accusing me of being a hypocrite for supporting violence. What part of "least harm" don't you understand CB?