Northwestern Ontario First Nation needs 300 homes


dumpthemonarchy
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This is another reserve. But no problem chief, your wish is the Canadian command. Let's see, 200 x $250,000 equals a cool $50,000,000 for the new houses. What's your address chief? The cheque is in the mail buddy.

I'm sure all this is written in some unchanging, old, sacred, spiritual treaty made by the British in 1763. Or it must be stated in the Indian Act somewhere. The water in the rivers is still running, then so is the cash. Duh. The great white Santa Claus with his big fat chequebook is always open for business for some people.



Northwestern Ontario First Nation needs 300 homes - Thunder Bay - CBC News




Northwestern Ontario First Nation needs 300 homes


Chief wants an end to shacks and outhouses

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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 11:31 AM ET

Last Updated: Jan 23, 2012 4:19 PM ET

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A total of 18 people live in this house in Mishkeegogamang, a First Nation community located about 500 kilometres northwest of Thunder Bay. (Jody Porter/CBC)

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The Mishkeegogamang First Nation in northwestern Ontario needs more than 300 homes, its chief says, and she hopes the First Nations housing shortage across the country will be high on the agenda when the prime minister meets with chiefs in Ottawa on Tuesday.
Mishkeegogamang Chief Connie Gray-McKay said she only wants one thing out of the chiefs' meeting with Stephen Harper this week — for basic human rights to be met on First Nations reserves.
(external - login to view) “We're not asking for the sky, the stars and the moon. We're asking for basic things — and the most basic is food and shelter,” she said.

Gray-McKay wants to see an end to her people living in shacks and using outhouses.
There are 16 new homes on the First Nation this year — but no one lives in them yet.
“They're empty because hydro can't get here,” said Gray-McKay.

A bureaucratic maze has delayed the move-in dates — one more complication in getting people into healthy homes.
Mishkeegogamang Chief Connie Gray-McKay says Prime Minister Stephen Harper needs to listen to aboriginal leaders about the First Nations housing problem. (Jody Porter/CBC)
A generation ago, there weren't enough homes for the people who lived in Mishkeegogamang, located 500 kilometres northwest of Thunder Bay. A population boom has hit the community since then, and a third generation is now crammed into their grandparents' homes.

"The biggest thing is the overcrowding,” Gray-McKay said, but added that the homes are built with substandard materials and don't seem to last.

Resident Joshua Lawson said the living conditions make family life stressful. The murky brown water he pours from a plastic container into a pot is testament to the problems.

“That’s what we've been drinking … that's what we got to wash our clothes with too,” Lawson said.
He points to a bucket in the corner, which the family uses for a toilet.
‘I feel like a slum landlord’

During a tour of the community, the chief stops her van in front of a one-storey log cabin with a broken window.
“They're kind of embarrassed to [have] people here,” Gray-McKay said, noting that 18 people are crammed into the dwelling. “It's a grandmother, her children and the grandchildren.”
Steve Lawson has no running water, no indoor toilet and no insulation in the trailer he calls home. (Jody Porter/CBC)
Next door, Steve Lawson, his wife and four kids live in a second-hand trailer the First Nation bought and towed here.
“We don't have no running water in this building,” Lawson said. “I'm using a slop pail for seven years already. My daughters are getting old; one of them is 16, so they need a clean washroom.”

Gray-McKay said the conditions are shameful.

“Sometimes I feel like a slum landlord because they're paying rent on houses they shouldn't be paying on — so you do the best you can,” she said, pointing out several houses in various states of disrepair.

“This one doesn't even have electricity or running water,” she said. “That second house there, the logs are rotting so bad,” she says. “My brother lives there and I think their house is going to fall apart. All these houses are old, they need to be renovated.”

She said her hope for the Tuesday meeting with the prime minister is that it helps Canadians understand they need to share the wealth. Several mining companies have operations near Mishkeegogamang, but few jobs are coming to the community.

“I'm going to make this as simple as possible, because there's nothing complicated about what's happening, and what the government could do is just listen,” Gray-McKay said.
 
Goober
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#2
You are one racist puke. Except puke has a use.
 
lone wolf
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#3  Top Rated Post
With attitudes like the Dump's, it's no wonder there's so much hatred out there....
 
damngrumpy
#4
Come on no one is talking about 250,000 dollar homes. Secondly people in the south
in many parts of Canada don't pay that kind of money for housing, this is a skewed
view of things at best and a worst its done to create hype and a backlash.
Now if we were talking about the reality of what people are living in and how much the
cost was really projected to be that is a different matter. Even if they cited that kind of
money, it is a bargaining position and as anyone knows what the ask is, is far less than
what the amount will be.
Something has to be done, and what and when and where are the details to be discussed.
I think it is really stretching it to be so sensational when the real discussions have not yet
revealed anything. It is good to be critical but to be biased and unfair is something else
again.
 
dumpthemonarchy
#5
$250,000 is the cost I heard on TV. The shipping costs are huge. Not to mention administrative costs. That price will barely get you a condo in Vancouver. This is modest. Even if the price is half, that's $25 million bucks. Real money to me that ought to go to a method to get these isolated, uneducated people assimlated into the mainstream where such atrocious housing does not exist.

Indians are nice people, they are sucked into a ruthless system that does not work for them.
 
TenPenny
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#6
I'm wondering when the federal gov't will be responsible for maintenance on my house.
 
lone wolf
#7
There is pride in ownership - much less in a place the landlord won't maintain and the rules say you can't
 
TenPenny
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

There is pride in ownership - much less in a place the landlord won't maintain and the rules say you can't

indeed, and the ownership is the band.

put the responsibility where it belongs.
 
dumpthemonarchy
#9
The crown/federal govt/chiefs/bands are slum landlords.

I want to put them out of business. I don't want to hear about these stories every day for the next twenty years, but I will with the current system.
 
Goober
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#10
Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

The crown/federal govt/chiefs/bands are slum landlords.

I want to put them out of business. I don't want to hear about these stories every day for the next twenty years, but I will with the current system.

What is it with your hatred of First nations people. Clearly you are racist in your rants and posts.
 
dumpthemonarchy
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

What is it with your hatred of First nations people. Clearly you are racist in your rants and posts.

I see uninhabitable slums. I do not wish anyone to live in them. You just complain with empty words. You must get bribes to support the current rotten system.
 
PoliticalNick
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I would like a new house. The one I own on Vancouver Island is really old and needs to be updated. I can rebuild for $200k. Which govt agency do I apply to?
 
Goober
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

I would like a new house. The one I own on Vancouver Island is really old and needs to be updated. I can rebuild for $200k. Which govt agency do I apply to?

Move in with Dump - seems you both have the same opinion on First Nations people.
 
damngrumpy
#14
I don't get bribes to support the current system and it is neither corrupt nor rotten, is it sometimes
inefficient, or incompetent? Yes, however that is a long way from corrupt. There are some people
though that do not believe in social justice and we can only guess at some who I may be speaking
of.
In addition I believe two hundred and fifty thousand is a bit steep and the natives know they won't
get that kind of money. It a bargaining tool. The other thing that strikes me here is what is the lay
of the land? Is there timber in the area we are speaking of? Couldn't the homes be built closer to
where they are needed? Could the government not put together a program to train local people on
the Reserve to build these homes and thus save money?
Wouldn't these be better questions that are at least constructive? We might get no for all the
answers but its a far cry from just blindly condemning everything. But then blindly condemning is
what some people do best, largely because it is difficult to question something constructively.
I don't agree with everything that happens with the natives either, but making blanket statements
without facts is not appropriate either.
I do agree asking where the money went and doing an audit is fair game we the tax payers are
putting up the investment so we should have knowledge as to how the money is spent and was it
spent wisely. If we are going to be critical lets get down to it then. We the taxpayers have given
the Harper government billions and in additions Harper's Government has spent billions we haven't
given him yet, and we are not calling him corrupt are we?
 
PoliticalNick
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#15
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Move in with Dump - seems you both have the same opinion on First Nations people.

I have nothing but respect for all my native friends who work hard and pay taxes and don't run to the govt for cash every time their roof needs repair or they need to fix their plumbing. I also detest white people who live on welfare because they can. It's not a racist thing, its a matter of personal responsibility for your life no matter what ethnicity.

FYI- I live in a nice 5 bedroom house in Edson AB, but my other house does need replacing which I will do soon because I work for it.
 
Goober
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

I have nothing but respect for all my native friends who work hard and pay taxes and don't run to the govt for cash every time their roof needs repair or they need to fix their plumbing. I also detest white people who live on welfare because they can. It's not a racist thing, its a matter of personal responsibility for your life no matter what ethnicity.

FYI- I live in a nice 5 bedroom house in Edson AB, but my other house does need replacing which I will do soon because I work for it.

Ask your Aboriginals friends what life is like for a person born into a First Nations. Oh yes, they are your friends so you should have a well thought out response. Now shouldn't you?
 
dumpthemonarchy
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

I don't get bribes to support the current system and it is neither corrupt nor rotten, is it sometimes
inefficient, or incompetent? Yes, however that is a long way from corrupt. There are some people
though that do not believe in social justice and we can only guess at some who I may be speaking
of.
In addition I believe two hundred and fifty thousand is a bit steep and the natives know they won't
get that kind of money. It a bargaining tool. The other thing that strikes me here is what is the lay
of the land? Is there timber in the area we are speaking of? Couldn't the homes be built closer to
where they are needed? Could the government not put together a program to train local people on
the Reserve to build these homes and thus save money?
Wouldn't these be better questions that are at least constructive? We might get no for all the
answers but its a far cry from just blindly condemning everything. But then blindly condemning is
what some people do best, largely because it is difficult to question something constructively.
I don't agree with everything that happens with the natives either, but making blanket statements
without facts is not appropriate either.
I do agree asking where the money went and doing an audit is fair game we the tax payers are
putting up the investment so we should have knowledge as to how the money is spent and was it
spent wisely. If we are going to be critical lets get down to it then. We the taxpayers have given
the Harper government billions and in additions Harper's Government has spent billions we haven't
given him yet, and we are not calling him corrupt are we?

The chief, or is he a king? however, asked for money, not training programs. Give them free houses so they can't buy or take care of their property, keep them dependent children on the great white queen/crown/Santa Claus, or band council.

But giving these people stuff, is like trying to give the Middle East democracy, say Iraq or Afghanistan. Whether you try to give people stuff at the barrel of a gun (is that dumb or what?) or shoveling the money off a truck (dumb but fun), they don't care ot understand what they are getting. Ergo, it reflects more the giver than the givee. We can make aboriginals learn and integrate into our system in a way we can't make Iraqis or Afhgans learn or integrate into our system.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

The chief, or is he a king? however, asked for money, not training programs. Give them free houses so they can't buy or take care of their property, keep them dependent children on the great white queen/crown/Santa Claus, or band council.

But giving these people stuff, is like trying to give the Middle East democracy, say Iraq or Afghanistan. Whether you try to give people stuff at the barrel of a gun (is that dumb or what?) or shoveling the money off a truck (dumb but fun), they don't care ot understand what they are getting. Ergo, it reflects more the giver than the givee. We can make aboriginals learn and integrate into our system in a way we can't make Iraqis or Afhgans learn or integrate into our system.

Does that apply to those that have emigrated to Canada?
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Ask your Aboriginals friends what life is like for a person born into a First Nations. Oh yes, they are your friends so you should have a well thought out response. Now shouldn't you?

A buddy of mine is doing very well. He is a golf pro in the Maritimes. He would be quite insulted by your condescending attitude towards him just because he is an aboriginal.
 
lone wolf
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

indeed, and the ownership is the band.

put the responsibility where it belongs.

Did I assign responsibility?
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

A buddy of mine is doing very well. He is a golf pro in the Maritimes. He would be quite insulted by your condescending attitude towards him just because he is an aboriginal.

1 would be insulted - Best look at the reality of the point made before you come up with such a BS reply.
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

I have nothing but respect for all my native friends who work hard and pay taxes and don't run to the govt for cash every time their roof needs repair or they need to fix their plumbing. I also detest white people who live on welfare because they can. It's not a racist thing, its a matter of personal responsibility for your life no matter what ethnicity.

FYI- I live in a nice 5 bedroom house in Edson AB, but my other house does need replacing which I will do soon because I work for it.

Racist or not, you are ignorant of the realities being faced. The Indian Act makes people living on reserve wards of the state. Things are changing but not fast enough. Watch 8th Fire on CBC and educate yourself to the realities of reserves and the challenges facing aboriginal people. You and the Dump are looking at the issue from a complete lack of understanding of the realities, just from your own perspectives.
 
damngrumpy
+1
#23
I too believe we should all work for what we acquire. I also believe we the nation set forth
the mess we are blessed with today. We as a nation put these people on reserves largely
because we took their space and made it ours. There are any number of abuses some
going back about a hundred years or less in some cases. In BC there is the cut off land
issue that comes up from time to time.. Its where the natives had the granted but the
white folks wanted it so they moved the natives off, just around the turn of the last century.
There are other issues too, like the Penticton situation at the airport. Around the time of
WWII the government took native land for the present day airport. They stated at the time
if they were to give up their claim to the airport the land would be returned to the natives.
When the government decided to relinquish the land they wanted to give it to the city of
Penticton. I have never heard an update, whether the natives got it back, or the government
still administers it or the city of Penticton ended up with it.
The point I am making is we set in place the present system designed to keep the natives
from reaching their full potential and its working. It no longer suites our goals so we want to
abandoned our responsibility, for the actions of our country. Oh I know the present people
never made any such deal but that is not the point as our leaders in Ottawa made the deal
and the crown made the deal. You know, in perpetuity, as long as the sky is blue and the
grass is green etc.
I as a farmer never consented to a number of trade deals that were made by my country but
I have to live by them don't I? In the case of the Natives the deals made were not made in
good faith many times they were made so business could own the mineral rights etc. Too
bad some of the best stuff ended up under worthless ground. What is that saying Oh what
a tangled Web we weave when we practice to deceive. It backfired now we get to pay
 
dumpthemonarchy
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Does that apply to those that have emigrated to Canada?

Yes. When Iraqis and Afghans immigrate here should become Canadians and shed their old culture. They come to Canada to become Canadian, why else would they come here? It doesn't happen overnight, it takes time, but it has to happen. Because we are taking so many immigrants into the country, 250,000 per year for over 20 years, we are getting the Toronto 18, honour killings, gender imbalances in urban areas due to aborting girl fetuses, and expanding ethnic enclaves that can resist assimilation. Size matters.

What the country of Iraq and Afghanistan wishes to do, I don't care that much as long as they don't put me or Canadians in danger. They are far away.
 
Cannuck
+1
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

1 would be insulted - Best look at the reality of the point made before you come up with such a BS reply.

The reality is that he is doing quite well and his heritage has neither hindered him nor helped him. He wouldn't need or want your sympathy.
 
Goober
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

Yes. When Iraqis and Afghans immigrate here should become Canadians and shed their old culture. They come to Canada to become Canadian, why else would they come here? It doesn't happen overnight, it takes time, but it has to happen. Because we are taking so many immigrants into the country, 250,000 per year for over 20 years, we are getting the Toronto 18, honour killings, gender imbalances in urban areas due to aborting girl fetuses, and expanding ethnic enclaves that can resist assimilation. Size matters.

What the country of Iraq and Afghanistan wishes to do, I don't care that much as long as they don't put me or Canadians in danger. They are far away.

Shed their culture - Could you expand on that - Make it easy for you - Iraqi or Afghani - Muslim - 2 children - pre school.

What portions of their culture should be disposed of.

Make it in point form, you know, 1, then number 2, then number 3. try to keep them short but descriptive.
 
TenPenny
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

Did I assign responsibility?

No. Did I say that you did?

Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Racist or not, you are ignorant of the realities being faced. The Indian Act makes people living on reserve wards of the state.

True, and that, apparently, means they are unable to perform the most basic maintenance or upkeep on a house. I'm not sure how that works, but apparently being a ward of the state means you can kick holes in your walls, and destroy your house, and then whine because your house is a piece of ****t.

I would be interested to know how some natives are, apparently, able to understand the concept of maintenance, while others cannot grasp it.

Do you have any (non racist) insight into how that works? Is it genetic?
 
Goober
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

The reality is that he is doing quite well and his heritage has neither hindered him nor helped him. He wouldn't need or want your sympathy.

Where was I sympathetic. Get your replies correct. Reading into what I state clearly leaves you open for errors.
 
dumpthemonarchy
#29
Its 300 homes, not 200, the cost is $75 million, not $50 million. My mistake. Hey, it's only money.
 
Goober
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

Its 300 homes, not 200, the cost is $75 million, not $50 million. My mistake. Hey, it's only money.

Hey you are only an arsehole.
 
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