Rex Murphy: Removing Julian Assange’s halo


View Poll Results: Assange is responsible for a number of Innocent Deaths
Yes 11 50.00%
No 5 22.73%
He was right to release the files 7 31.82%
He was wrong to release the files 6 27.27%
Do not give a hoot about repercussions. We had to know. 1 4.55%
The US Govt will eventually catch him 4 18.18%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 22. You may not vote on this poll

petros
#181
What the hell sort of folk would put their hatred fetishes before their rights?
 
JLM
#182
I know very little about the discussion here, except for one thing................Rex is 99 44/100% right.
 
CDNBear
#183
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

I don't know how well it will hold though, at least in other countries, seeing that he wasn't even in the US when this happened. I guess he'll just avoid US soil from here on in and the US will be satisfied by the inconvenience this will cause him. Or alternatively, try to get him tried by the country in which he was when he'd committed these acts based on whatever domestic laws of that country which may apply.

We have convention and treaty regarding criminal laws, with the bulk of the EU. If their case is strong, they have him extradited.

All he had to do, was lend aid or information on how to secure the documents in question, to be considered a party to the act.
 
JLM
+3
#184
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

What the hell sort of folk would put their hatred fetsihes before their rights?

Probably a lot of the lunatics we see posting on a regular basis.
 
CDNBear
#185
Quote:

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

To what? Your claim that the ISI and Taliban already know who all the CI's are? I'll wait here for that.

Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Exactly...a link to WHAT? Nothing?

Ya, that was my point, thanks for agreeing with me. Now work on it.

Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

What the hell sort of folk would put their hatred fetsihes before their rights?

You and mentalfloss apparently.
 
Machjo
#186
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

We have convention and treaty regarding criminal laws, with the bulk of the EU. If their case is strong, they have him extradited.

All he had to do, was lend aid or information on how to secure the documents in question, to be considered a party to the act.

Honestly though, the US is probably hoping he ends up in a Swedish jail for rape. That way they can wash their hands of him, which would save them much headache and money.
 
CDNBear
#187
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Honestly though, the US is probably hoping he ends up in a Swedish jail for rape. That way they can wash their hands of him, which would save them much headache and money.

Maybe.

If he's guilty of espionage, I hope he shares a cell with Manning.
 
captain morgan
#188
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

How much are you willing to sacrifice for freedom of speech is the real question.


The question that others' are asking on this is: Are you willing to allow Assange sacrifice you for his freedom of speech?
 
petros
#189
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Ya, that was my point, thank for agreeing with me. Now work on it.

You and mentalfloss apparently.

Who do I hate enough to sacrifice my rights for? NOBODY!
 
CDNBear
#190
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Who do I hate enough to sacrifice my rights for? NOBODY!

So you say, now.
 
DaSleeper
+2
#191
I wonder if there would be any outrage from some in this forum if TIPS (external - login to view) information were to be made public????
 
petros
#192
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

So you say now.

That'll never change.
 
Kreskin
+1
#193
Quote:

As a defence strategy that seems hopeless — rather like the late Clifford Olson blaming the RCMP for his murder of several young people in B.C. because they didn’t arrest him sooner than they did.

I see the analogy more like someone obtaining information on how Olsen could escape from prison (information not in the public interest) then sharing it to allow his escape. That information should have been shared with the prison warden, not the prisoner.
 
CDNBear
#194
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

That'll never change.

I know, you've made your fluid principles well known.
 
petros
#195
You need instructions on how to piss up a rope?
 
CDNBear
#196
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

You need instructions on how to piss up a rope?

No thanks, it's not my thang.

But if I ever do, I'll contact you, the resident expert.

Thanks for the offer though.
 
Kreskin
+2
#197
Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

I see the analogy more like someone obtaining information on how Olsen could escape from prison (information not in the public interest) then sharing it to allow his escape. That information should have been shared with the prison warden, not the prisoner.

Or finding out what the Police are doing to secretly investigate a serial killer then posting it on a website to tip off the killer (then claim it's free speech).
 
petros
#198
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

No thanks, it's not my thang.

But if I ever do, I'll contact you, the resident expert.

Thanks for the offer though.

You seem to enjoy pissing all over my and your own rights.
 
taxslave
+1
#199
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

You need instructions on how to piss up a rope?

You can piss UP a rope? Wow. I have enough trouble pissing down one.
 
petros
#200
You can download the coyrighted instructions from the Pirate Bay.
 
DaSleeper
+1
#201

Piss Up A Rope by Ween - YouTube

 
CDNBear
#202
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

You seem to enjoy pissing all over my and your own rights.

I do? That sounds awfully fallacious to me. Maybe you should explain how.

Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

You can download the coyrighted instructions from the Pirate Bay.

Why would you copyright them, then promote them being available on The Pirate Bay?
 
petros
#203
How is SOPA coming along?
 
CDNBear
#204
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

How is SOPA coming along?

How does that explain how I'm pissing on your rights and mine?
 
petros
+1
#205
Rights aren't selective they apply to all equally. You didn't know that? It's why the NY Times is still alive and kicking after publishing the digital information in print.

They even made money off of doing it. Did anyone else?
 
CDNBear
#206
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Rights aren't selective they apply to all equally. You didn't know that? It's why the NY Times is still alive and kicking after publishing the digital information.

You continued fallacious assertions aside. You still haven't explained how I'm pissing on your rights and mine.

Oh, my bad, I forgot, this is the stage of the conversation, where you start making stuffup.

My bad, carry on. I look forward to the **** stage next.
 
petros
#207

Liquor amp s - YouTube



Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

You continued fallacious assertions aside. You still haven't explained how I'm pissing on your rights and mine.

Oh, my bad, I forgot, this is the stage of the conversation, where you start making stuffup.

My bad, carry on. I look forward to the **** stage next.

If you want him busted you have to sacrifice your own freedom of speech rights.
 
CDNBear
#208
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Liquor amp s - YouTube

I was already aware that you could support your assertion.

Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

If you want him busted you have to sacrifice your own freedom of speech rights.

No I don't. I don't publish the names of CI's. I'm not morally bankrupt. I haven't allegedly participated in espionage. Nor would I. I might as a part time journalist publish materials that I received...

By the way, the NY Times published carefully chosen and redacted dispatches.

Maybe if you paid greater attention to what is actually said, you wouldn't look so foolish.
 
petros
#209
Who PUBLISHED them?
 
mentalfloss
#210
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

By the way, the NY Times published carefully chosen and redacted dispatches.

They probably did that to cover their legal butts, whereas Assange and Manning were willing to go to trial and get thrown in jail for whatever their greater cause seems to be.
 

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