Four "clowns" in Dziekanski killing still being paid.


JLM
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And it will continue for at least another one to two years until they go to trial. What other job can you get with six or seven years of full pay for doing nothing?

Dziekanski perjury trial timeline frustrates mother - Canada - CBC News
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

What other job can you get with six or seven years of full pay for doing nothing?

Senators?
 
taxslave
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Almost any government job.
 
petros
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Almost.
 
damngrumpy
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One of them has a long history of things he is still being paid for. One of them is the
guy who hit the motorcyclist with his kids in the car and went home to drop his kids off
and of course have a drink, can you believe it? Whatever
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

One of them has a long history of things he is still being paid for. One of them is the
guy who hit the motorcyclist with his kids in the car and went home to drop his kids off
and of course have a drink, can you believe it? Whatever

That would be Monte Robinson, the a$$hole even looks like a thug, but too bad the courts aren't allowed to take things like that into consideration.
 
Vancouverite
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And this is not the latest scandal - the class action suit by female Mounties is the latest one. I've lost all respect for that institution.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by VancouveriteView Post

And this is not the latest scandal - the class action suit by female Mounties is the latest one. I've lost all respect for that institution.

These kinds of jerks are found in all walks of life. Can't condemn the majority because of a few A$$holes.
 
bobnoorduyn
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

These kinds of jerks are found in all walks of life. Can't condemn the majority because of a few A$$holes.

There are certainly jerks everywhere, but when jerks who are the only ones legally allowed to carry firearms for defense of self, and legally hold the power of liberty over the citizenry, I see a major flaw. We're long past the concept of police serving at the pleasure of the people, our freedom seems to be subject to the pleasure of the police.

The job does seem to attract a certain type of personality. Not all exhibit this trait, but given the power and authority they have, it is cause for concern.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by bobnoorduynView Post

There are certainly jerks everywhere, but when jerks who are the only ones legally allowed to carry firearms for defense of self, and legally hold the power of liberty over the citizenry, I see a major flaw. We're long past the concept of police serving at the pleasure of the people, our freedom seems to be subject to the pleasure of the police.

The job does seem to attract a certain type of personality. Not all exhibit this trait, but given the power and authority they have, it is cause for concern.

You've got all that right, Bob. And THAT is an excellent reason why cops who are suspected or found committing felonies should proceed through the court process at a faster pace than John Doe. Not only should they uphold the law they should be seen being forced to uphold the law.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by bobnoorduynView Post

The job does seem to attract a certain type of personality. Not all exhibit this trait, but given the power and authority they have, it is cause for concern.

You and I have the very same power and authority. Never, ever, EVER think otherwise.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

You and I have the very same power and authority. Never, ever, EVER think otherwise.

It's the other ingredients mixed in with the power and authority.............sneakiness, ego, etc.
 
petros
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Get yourself a taser and if you see cops breaking the law and getting out of hand zap the **** out of them. Reasonable force which apparently includes torture weapons like tasers to ensure your safety and the safety of others isn't a special privilege that only cops have. The Charter says that only The Lord our God is the ruler of all Canadian, space, time and dimensions and you and I have the #2 spot. It's our duty in the #2 spot to taser cops who are *******s. You are not being a true Charter upholding Canadian if your not tasering ******* law breaking cops.
 
wizard
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

These kinds of jerks are found in all walks of life. Can't condemn the majority because of a few A$$holes.

... yes there are. but for some reason every single canadian cop actually is an a**hole, not just a few of them ...
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by wizardView Post

... yes there are. but for some reason every single canadian cop actually is an a**hole, not just a few of them ...

Guess what Einstein? How credible do you think a person is who has had experience with every single Canadian Cop?
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Guess what Einstein? How credible do you think a person is who has had experience with every single Canadian Cop?

You forget that the wizz lives in a somewhat divergent universe than the rest of us.
 
dumpthemonarchy
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The wheels of justice move very slowly for some people. Unless our cops get caught in the act, on video, it all gets brushed aside. Better than 20 years ago, but work is still needed on this front.
 
damngrumpy
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The reason everything gets dragged out now is to let it slip under the rug and
nothing happens. I think there should be a day of reckoning for these people
like anyone else. It should come with the responsibility for the crime, and the
circumstances of where we are now at some future point. For serious stuff,
kike Dziekanski, the trial should have been two fold. The first being the
evidence of what happened on the job. They should have been fired and the
trial held in an orderly fashion, and sometime in
2012 is good enough. 2013 is not acceptable.
All police are not to blame, any more than say all contractors cut corners to make
more money, that is not a fair description either. The problem with the force is
it tried to be too many things to all people.. We have a force with some weird
people in uniform, bullies, wife beaters, thieves, and even a couple of drug
dealers. Now we have alleged killers as well. Oh I forgot sexual deviates as
well. Luck we didn't let the clergy in on mass eh?
The force needs to be over hauled from the top down and its role clearly defined.
The acceptance levels and what criteria is should be clearly spelled out and its
not. The problem is not the police, it is the leadership and those who trained
them, who did not see the misfits and weed them out.
 
dumpthemonarchy
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The RCMP ought to go back to its rural roots. People from the big city don't want to work for it. People from Vancouver aren't much keen in working in nrothern Manitoba, they want to work for the Vancouver PD and live in town. As for urban white collar crime, the RCMP is nowhere. Billions go wasted here.
 
petros
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Burnaby looks really damn urban to me. I had no idea it was rural.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Burnaby looks really damn urban to me. I had no idea it was rural.

Burnaby?????????????? Where did that come from? The airport is in Richmond!
 
petros
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They have RCMP as well.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

They have RCMP as well.

Now you are making sense.
 
dumpthemonarchy
#24
Only Vancouver I think has its own PD. We need a regional police force for Vancouver, where half the population of the province lives. Whenever some kind of disaster happens like a riot, they always say the different forces have different radios and can't communicate. It is so juvenile.

Let rural people work in rural areas, which the RCMP are best at.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

Only Vancouver I think has its own PD.

New West, Port Moody, West Van and Delta too.
 
bobnoorduyn
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

You and I have the very same power and authority. Never, ever, EVER think otherwise.

Not quite, citizens only have the authority to make an arrest if they have witnessed a suspect committing an indictable offense, and you have to pretty much catch them in the act. Police can also make an arrest on suspicion, or for investigative purposes, which are sometimes made with flimsy, if any evidence. Sure, you can arrest an LEO if you see him or her committing an indictable offense, but I wouldn't want to see what may happen trying to cross the thin blue line. I fear Sir Robert Peel's concept of consentual policing is nothing more than an obscure line in a dusty history book somewhere. Just for a laugh, ask any LEO to recite the 9 principles of consentual policing.

Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Get yourself a taser and if you see cops breaking the law and getting out of hand zap the **** out of them. Reasonable force which apparently includes torture weapons like tasers to ensure your safety and the safety of others isn't a special privilege that only cops have. The Charter says that only The Lord our God is the ruler of all Canadian, space, time and dimensions and you and I have the #2 spot. It's our duty in the #2 spot to taser cops who are *******s. You are not being a true Charter upholding Canadian if your not tasering ******* law breaking cops.

All non-lethal weapons are classified as prohibited, (with the exception of bear spray, which of course would land you in the klink if you carried it downtown), and the only prohibited weapons civilians are allowed to own are firearms, that is if they hold a license to do so. Try getting a permit to carry a restricted firearm if you are not an LEO, armed guard, (as the title would suggest), trapper, officer of the courts, or cabinet minister.

Funny thing about the Charter too:

"The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."

Whatever the government of the day considers, and the courts agree are "reasonable limits", are considered constitiutional. The Charter gives the illusion of protecting rights an freedoms without really doing any such thing. Governments are constantly making end runs around it.
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