The European Union is now blocking importation of lethal injection technology into th


gore0bsessed
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Why America's Death Penalty Just Got Us Sanctioned by Europe - Ford Vox - International - The Atlantic (external - login to view)

The European Union is now blocking importation of lethal injection technology into the United States

With its legislation this week limiting our access to the drugs we use to kill one another, the European Union has just proven that if America is still a superpower, that designation must carry a prominent asterisk for how easily we're humbled these days. The EU is now blocking importation of technology into the United States that we cannot be trusted to use properly. As widely reported yesterday, the EU is cutting off our supply to the drugs we use for lethal injections, some of which we no longer have the capacity to manufacture domestically:
The European Commission has imposed tough new restrictions on the export of anaesthetics used to execute people in the US, in a move that will exacerbate the already extreme shortage of the drugs in many of the 34 states that still practice the death penalty.


The EC has added eight barbiturates to its list of restricted products that are tightly controlled on the grounds that they may be used for "capital punishment, torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment". The eight include pentobarbital and sodium thiopental - the two drugs on which almost all American executions currently depend. (Source: The Guardian (external - login to view))

 
In Between Man
#2
Who the heck does the EU think they are?! On the other hand I'm opposed to the death penalty so "meh"...
 
The Old Medic
#3
The European Union is NOT blocking "Importation". It is blocking 'Export". They are VERY different things.
 
gerryh
#4
Kudos to the EU.
 
Omicron
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Quote: Originally Posted by gore0bsessedView Post

Why America's Death Penalty Just Got Us Sanctioned by Europe - Ford Vox - International - The Atlantic
The European Union is now blocking importation of lethal injection technology into the United States
With its legislation this week limiting our access to the drugs we use to kill one another, the European Union has just proven that if America is still a superpower, that designation must carry a prominent asterisk for how easily we're humbled these days. The EU is now blocking importation of technology into the United States that we cannot be trusted to use properly. As widely reported yesterday, the EU is cutting off our supply to the drugs we use for lethal injections, some of which we no longer have the capacity to manufacture domestically:The European Commission has imposed tough new restrictions on the export of anaesthetics used to execute people in the US, in a move that will exacerbate the already extreme shortage of the drugs in many of the 34 states that still practice the death penalty.
The EC has added eight barbiturates to its list of restricted products that are tightly controlled on the grounds that they may be used for "capital punishment, torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or...

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Uhh... is the EU saying they think our leaders are nuts?

Does that means they are not really puppets of a New World Order, meaning they will not be simply under pressure of the big eye.

Here's the dream I had about the big eye.

I was eight years old.

I dreamed that I was part of an expedition to explore the pyramids of Egypt.

I dreamed that the night before the expedition I saw a lizard sneak into my backpack.

I dreamed that the next day in order to crack through the pyramid we had to go through seven states of hell. Some were called fear. Some were called hate.

At the end I saw the lizard pop out of my pack and become a strange big eye. One of it's eyes expanded to look over the whole world, with a little lizard body withered behind it. It had the IQ of a lizard, but had all sight. Under it, everyone had to behave with perfect social propriety as required by the system of a lizard. Then I woke up.

I am so sick and tired of pathetic little demons telling me how they can take care when they don't, when in fact we are the ones to take care of them and stop them from going to hell. Okay, maybe we're going to call it a zoo. A demon zoo. It's cheaper, and what do you want? Efforts of fighting against the black pit of entropy to be recorded in exchange for hashbrowns, or we can haul out a bunch of demons.
Last edited by Omicron; Dec 24th, 2011 at 07:19 PM..
 
WLDB
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The EU is well within their rights to not sell whatever they want to the US. The US doesn't really need the drug anyway. Some states have started using the same drugs used to euthanize animals in executions with success.
 
petros
#7
Civilized.
 
Machjo
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by gore0bsessedView Post

Why America's Death Penalty Just Got Us Sanctioned by Europe - Ford Vox - International - The Atlantic
The European Union is now blocking importation of lethal injection technology into the United States
With its legislation this week limiting our access to the drugs we use to kill one another, the European Union has just proven that if America is still a superpower, that designation must carry a prominent asterisk for how easily we're humbled these days. The EU is now blocking importation of technology into the United States that we cannot be trusted to use properly. As widely reported yesterday, the EU is cutting off our supply to the drugs we use for lethal injections, some of which we no longer have the capacity to manufacture domestically:The European Commission has imposed tough new restrictions on the export of anaesthetics used to execute people in the US, in a move that will exacerbate the already extreme shortage of the drugs in many of the 34 states that still practice the death penalty.
The EC has added eight barbiturates to its list of restricted products that are tightly controlled on the grounds that they may be used for "capital punishment, torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment". The...

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Er, wouldn't a bullet do just as well?

Quote: Originally Posted by The Old MedicView Post

The European Union is NOT blocking "Importation". It is blocking 'Export". They are VERY different things.

It's blocking importation to the US, but not exportation from the EU.
 
petros
#9
If they don't want to, they don't have to.
 
WLDB
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Er, wouldn't a bullet do just as well?

In Utah that works.
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by WLDBView Post

In Utah that works.

It's probably more humane too. I'd personally rather end it quick with a bullet straight to my heart rather than via a slow agonizing death through poison.

Or at least give me the choice. It would be the least you could do for a person sentenced to death.
 
petros
#12
I'd rather live and suffer in shame.
 
Machjo
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

I'd rather live and suffer in shame.

Well, yes. I was talking about cases where the death penalty is a given.
 
petros
#14
Shame hurts more.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Shame hurts more.

Only to the honest people that have a conscience. For those that don't there is no such thing as shame.
 
WLDB
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

It's probably more humane too. I'd personally rather end it quick with a bullet straight to my heart rather than via a slow agonizing death through poison.

Or at least give me the choice. It would be the least you could do for a person sentenced to death.

True. I'd be a bit nervous with a firing squad though. They've been known to screw up, sometimes quite badly. The Soviets had the right idea with a bullet to the back of the head. You can't screw that up.
 
Machjo
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by WLDBView Post

True. I'd be a bit nervous with a firing squad though. They've been known to screw up, sometimes quite badly. The Soviets had the right idea with a bullet to the back of the head. You can't screw that up.

How can a Regimental firing squad screw up? It would be short of miraculous for each of the bullets of a professionally trained firing squad to miss!
 
WLDB
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Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

How can a Regimental firing squad screw up? It would be short of miraculous for each of the bullets of a professionally trained firing squad to miss!

The problem are the individual people who can and have on occasion chosen to miss the target. Or simply missed by accident.

Utah History to Go




"
In September 1951, Eliseo J. Mares became the second condemned man to suffer the consequences of a botched execution.
Mares was the first prisoner to be put to death in the new prison at the Point of the Mountain. The old penitentiary in Sugar House had been the execution site since 1900; before then the sentences were carried out in counties where the crime took place.
When Mares was shot, newspaper stories carried the barest of details. Not until 25 years later, in a reminiscence by one of the witnesses, Salt Lake Tribune reporter Clark Lobb, was it disclosed that Mares "died silently and horribly." Two of the four bullets fired from 15 feet away struck Mares in the hip and abdomen. It was several minutes before the prisoner was declared dead."
 
Machjo
#19
Seeing that an average regiment has at least a few hundred soldiers, there'd be no way of missing except by miracle.

As for the case in 1951, even with only for shooters aiming from 15 feet away, unless there was some technical malfunction with each of the rifles (again, an incredible coincidence), it would next to impossible without intent to miss, which of course ought to be investigated and would of course be criminal on teh part of the shooters.
 
gerryh
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Yee haw...any one else have any ideas how we can kill people? Nothin like talkin bout killin on Christ's Birthday.
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Yee haw...any one else have any ideas how we can kill people? Nothin like talkin bout killin on Christ's Birthday.

First off, are you sure Christ was born on 25 Dec.?

Now as to your other question, I could brainstorm all kinds of ways to kill people.
 
WLDB
#22
Guillotine. A State Senator in Florida tried to have that brought back in the past 2 years or so as it was more humane and allows for organs to be harvested. Didn't happen, as we all know.

I guess they can crucify people. Die like Christ.

Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Seeing that an average regiment has at least a few hundred soldiers, there'd be no way of missing except by miracle.

A firing squad of a few hundred people would lead to no body being left. Which, I guess would be quite humane. Quick, thats for sure.

As for intent to miss, well, human error happens all the time in everything. Who would have thought you could screw up putting a needle into someone? But it happens.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

First off, are you sure Christ was born on 25 Dec.?

It was in the fall but who cares?
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

First off, are you sure Christ was born on 25 Dec.?

Now as to your other question, I could brainstorm all kinds of ways to kill people.


Ya know, I wasn't going to answer this, as the question alone shows a very shallow and simplistic way of thinking. The answer is, in reality, very simple. Christs Birthday is CELEBRATED by Christians on Dec 25. It matters not exactly WHEN he was born. What's important is remembering and celebrating that birth. Of course, those with little to no actual brains will question the date picked to celebrate as if it should be a deal breaker of some kind.

Congratulations machjo on staying in the pigeon hole that I had placed you.
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Ya know, I wasn't going to answer this, as the question alone shows a very shallow and simplistic way of thinking. The answer is, in reality, very simple. Christs Birthday is CELEBRATED by Christians on Dec 25. It matters not exactly WHEN he was born. What's important is remembering and celebrating that birth. Of course, those with little to no actual brains will question the date picked to celebrate as if it should be a deal breaker of some kind.

Congratulations machjo on staying in the pigeon hole that I had placed you.

Er, so even those who do not profess the Christian Faith MUST celebrate Christmas? Do you celebrate 'Id-al-Fitr, Kwanza, Diwali, passover, etc.?

There are more people on this earth than just Christians, however much Coulter wishes otherwise.

And besides, why visit a thread relating to lethal injection technology seeing that it relates to the "k"-word.
 
petros
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Quote:


Er, so even those who do not profess the Christian Faith MUST celebrate
Christmas? Do you celebrate 'Id-al-Fitr, Kwanza, Diwali, passover, etc.?

The Hindus at the end of the block have the nicest C-Mas tree I've seen in years.
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

It's blocking importation to the US, but not exportation from the EU.

Not to berate a small point but unless the EU is physically preventing any shipments from reaching the US, they would not be blocking import. What they have control over is who they export to, they've chosen not to export certain materials to the US. They are within their right to do so. Blocking import, to my way of thinking, would be if they were preventing say Australia for example from sending those same materials to the US. That would be a more agressive move I'd say.

Maybe it's just semantics, and I'm aware it states it both ways in the article.

I don't believe in the death penalty, so I say good for the EU. But the US is allowed to enact whatever laws it feels are just within their borders, whether I agree with them or not. Lot's of countries still use the death penalty.
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

The Hindus at the end of the block have the nicest C-Mas tree I've seen in years.

Out of choice, not compulsion.

Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

Not to berate a small point but unless the EU is physically preventing any shipments from reaching the US, they would not be blocking import. What they have control over is who they export to, they've chosen not to export certain materials to the US. They are within their right to do so. Blocking import, to my way of thinking, would be if they were preventing say Australia for example from sending those same materials to the US. That would be a more agressive move I'd say.

Maybe it's just semantics, and I'm aware it states it both ways in the article.

I don't believe in the death penalty, so I say good for the EU. But the US is allowed to enact whatever laws it feels are just within their borders, whether I agree with them or not. Lot's of countries still use the death penalty.

Actually, you're right. Thanks for correcting me.
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Actually, you're right. Thanks for correcting me.

Lol, you're welcome, but correcting you wasn't the reason I made the post. Well, I was pointing it out, but it wasn't meant to be a criticism or anything like that.

Personally I just find it frustrating that a simple turn of phrase, like the one in the title of the thread, can be the catalyst for the spread of misinformation. Not that I'm trying to exaggerate things in this circumstance, but on a general level I find it frustrating. The piece in the OP is an op/ed piece, written by an American doctor, an anesthesiologist, who is morally against the death penalty. I have no problem with that, he's certainly entitled to his opinion. In point of fact, I happen to agree with it.

But the EU blocking export to the US on these grounds is significant enough of a statement on it's own. There is no need to twist it or embellish it further by making a statement that they are blocking import, which carries far different implications. I'm sure there are many that would look at it and dismiss it as semantics, but I don't think that's the case.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Out of choice, not compulsion.

Are you sure about that? My nephew is the only white kid in his class at a Catholic school.
 

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