Divining and getting direct messages are two different things.[/QUOTE)
I treat tales passed on from tribal barbarians who claim to hear voices, the same way I would treat those of today who claim to hear God's voice. Too bad George Bush listened to Pat Robertson's message direct from god re Iraq.
A fortune teller has probably a better chance of success than hearing god's voice has. It at least could involve, intuition based on recent
happenings or events.
The Reformation was always active. And I think God can handle things quite well. After all he made Billions of us now didn't he.
Taken in its metaphorical significance, the 12 tribes of Israel represents the signs of the zodiac. But literalists would never accept that. They miss the whole point of the book.
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What's you opinion of the other numbers which represent different things according to the bible?
3 = God (because of the trinity)
4 = Nature
7 = Perfection (3 + 4, or God + nature)
interestingly enough: 3 x 4 = 12 (God x nature = people)
And you have used both spellings - I took it as confusion on your part.
This is what I wrote.
There ya go, blaming it on something you do not believe in. Now how can that be?
Again how can that be.
See Goober, this is how cliffy really isn't any different than mhz or alleywayz. His definition or understanding of "God" is the right one and anyone that believes differently is just plain wrong. He's just as closed minded and intolerant as those he rails against.
Today, would even the most naive adult believe a young, poor female, if she claim to be impregnated by god?? Not very likely!! I don't believe, even the tribal barbarians in the time of Jesus would have either. But hey, that embelishment (my opinion) makes a much better story to pass down. However, it does make a cuckold out of Joseph, doesn't it? Didn't do Mary any favours either, she comes off as rather a loose woman.
It neither makes Joseph a cuckold or Mary a loose woman. Both Mary and Joseph were visited by an Angel, a messenger of God. Elizabeth, John the Baptists Mother, was Mary's cousin and she had told Mary that she would be so blessed.
If you're going to comment on things from the Bible, it would be best for you to actually know what you're talking about rather than just puking all over the thread.
This happens every year at Christmas and at Easter. The Christian haters come out of the word work and do all they can to denigrate 2 of the most important celebrations of Christendom. The Birth and crucifixion of our Lord Jesus Christ.
How nice that all Mary's relatives supported her according to the biblical story, but offering that as proof along with the visitation of a mythical being (Angel) doesn't really support impregnation by an invisible being. It does prove great imagination. I probably know more about the bible than you do, including the history of how it came to have the form it has today. Personally, I don't really care what you believe. However, I do not accept, quoting an contradictory, unreliable, and impossible piece of fiction as proof of your belief.
Because I disagree with someone's belief does not make me a hater of the believer. Actually in the case of the deluded, it is pity not hatred that stirs my emotions. My views are the same at Halloween as they are at any other time of the year. I don't believe in
ghouls, or the walking dead, vampires, fairies, santa or the easter bunny either. I suppose this should stop me, in your opinion, from pointing out discrepancies between these beliefs and fact as well??
Oh and a very Merry Christmas to you. May you enjoy all it's Pagan rituals.
I don't need to offer ANY proof, period. That's where "faith" comes into play.
I also very much doubt your knowledge assertions.
There are no discrepancies between my beliefs in Jesus Christ and God and "facts".
LOL, Like I care whether you "believe" in my assertions or not. I could perhaps post a list of discrepancies with verifying verses if you wish.
It occurs to me how fortunate your "faith" hasn't led you to believe you are a chicken!! .