Christopher Hitchens: Dies


gopher
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#61
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Flip flopping would entail going from one position to another and then back to the original. If it is only one way, it would be simply changing the mind.

According to Wiki it is, a sudden change of position on an issue, also called a U-turn. I have never seen it defined any other way.
 
WLDB
#62
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

According to Wiki it is, a sudden change of position on an issue, also called a U-turn. I have never seen it defined any other way.


In this case it wasnt really sudden. In his memoir, Hitch-22 he lays out how his opinion changed on Iraq and it took years for it to happen.
 
gopher
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#63
Would you be kind enough to give us a few quotes and examples?
 
dumpthemonarchy
#64
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

I disliked Hitchen's views on God, or the lack thereof, and thought his arguments shallow. I watched him debate Tony Blair, and he won by simply charming the audience........and due to fact Blair refused to push his points. Debate is a fight, with rapiers......when you are making a point, push it through.

Of course, Blair was hindered by the fact he is a Catholic. (for you Gerry)

I enjoyed immensely the fact that Hitchen's disagreed with the politically correct view of almost everything, and from what I have read of him personally, I probably would have liked him immensely.

He will be missed, by anyone that admires intellect for its own sake.

Ramming the point home:

The PJ Tatler Christopher Hitchens at His Best: Rare Video of Hitch Disemboweling the American Left (external - login to view)


I watched that video and when Hedges said Palestineans become suicide bombers out of despair, Hedges is clueless. What Hedges sees are confused poor brown people who just deserve sympathy. Hitchens is right, religion is filthy and time for it to end.
 
Cannuck
#65
Quote: Originally Posted by WLDBView Post

In this case it wasnt really sudden. In his memoir, Hitch-22 he lays out how his opinion changed on Iraq and it took years for it to happen.

Only closed minded people consider changing ones mind "flip-flopping".

I respect politicians that change their minds and I wish more people would.
 
JLM
#66
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Only closed minded people consider changing ones mind "flip-flopping".

I respect politicians that change their minds and I wish more people would.

Depends on which kind of flip flopping you are referring to. Changing your stance to coincide with changing situations is good, changing you mind because someone made you look like an A$4hole is not!!!
 
Cannuck
#67
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Depends on which kind of flip flopping you are referring to. Changing your stance to coincide with changing situations is good, changing you mind because someone made you look like an A$4hole is not!!!

That's another area where we disagree. The situation does not have to change at all. It is possible to learn something new. Granted, some people are so arrogant as to think think they know it all. For those people, the situation has to change.
 
Goober
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#68
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

That's another area where we disagree. The situation does not have to change at all. It is possible to learn something new. Granted, some people are so arrogant as to think think they know it all. For those people, the situation has to change.

Wll if you need to know something, ask me. If I do not know it I will ask my brother. If he does not know it, then no need to know it.
 
WLDB
#69
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Would you be kind enough to give us a few quotes and examples?

Page 281 Mesopotamia From Both Sides

"In July of 2007 my old magazing the New Statesman attempted to embarass me by reprinting an article I had written from Iraq in early 1976. In those days ran the snide prologue to the reproduction, "Young Hitchens saw Saddam as an up and coming secular socialist who would transform Iraq into a progressive model for the rest of the Middle East." The implied accusation of a U-turn or even of a turned coat-bothered me not at all. I had long since learned to ask John Maynard Keyne's question: "When the facts change then my opinion changes: and you, sir?" But I was nonetheless conscious of two conflicting desires. The first was to point out that my original essay hadn't got it all that wrong. The second was to give an account of how I had, in fact, almost completely reversed my opinion-and of how long such a process can take, and how painful it can be."

By the end of the first Gulf War he had changed his mind completely on Iraq after seeing first hand the things Saddam was doing to the Kurds and other parts of the population in Iraq. He made friends there, one of whom was assassinated in London on Saddam's orders.
This series of videos are easier to post than to type out a full chapter.

httpwwwyoutubecomwatchvJSycDeaturerelated

 

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