Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy
This has gone on for decades, and will continue to do so for some time to come.
As for wanting a homeland for the Palestinians, the Arab States do not want a
homeland for these people. The Arab neighbours want the Palestinians to be
kept in misery so they can speak for them and tell the world how bad Israel is.
If Palestine gets a homeland and lives next door in peach with Israel, it would
destroy the optics of the whole situation.
Homeland for Palestinians? Where? Israel has taken most of where these people used to live. How about near Colpy? We can even arm them. We solved a previous refugee problem that way. It would probably work again.
Regarding responsibility. Can you seriously defend imposing on Arab nations and Palestinians the full WW II European Jewish refugee burden created by a UN decision over the objections of most people living in the area? Doesn't Israel have any responsibility for their actions? Do the nations which voted to Partition Palestine triggering the 1947 ethnic cleansing war and later to recognize Israel have any responsibility for the consequences of their actions?
Explain why the full burden for creating Israel must lay on the Arab states who declared war after UN voted to partition this area and then recognize one side of an ethnic cleansing war? Massacres like Deir Yassin triggered the 1948 war. Notice the timeline...
April 9, 1948
Deir Yassin massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (external - login to view)
The war commenced after the termination of the British Mandate for Palestine (external - login to view)
and the creation of an independent Israel (external - login to view)
at midnight on 14 May 1948
...the Deir Yassin massacre (external - login to view)
is considered to have generated more panic among the Arab population than all other previous operations together and to have caused a mass flight of Palestinians in numerous areas...
Both sides committed atrocities. IMO, Deir Yassin pretty much sums up how Zionism created the Palestinian refugee problem.
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz
Can you show me any clinical study that supports giving a loaded and cocked weapon to somebody, who has been under perpetual persecution for eons, and not expect some innocents to get needlessly killed.
I could support Zionism... If it was voluntary. The amount of money spent for arms to cleanse Palestine of Palestinians could have bought Palestine many times over. This area should be the world's greatest tourist destination. Instead the people living in the region seem determined to turn the area into mostly radioactive craters.
Quote: Originally Posted by Spade
You mean as in Columbine and elsewhere, where the abused becomes the abuser. Of, course, it should be the contrary; the previously abused should eschew violence.
Freedom and justice lead to peace. Oppression and injustice lead to violence.
Israeli Demolition Campaign in Three Towns Across the West Bank
14th April 2010 (external - login to view)
House demolished by Israeli bulldozers in the village of Al-Khader, near Bethlehem. [MaanImages (external - login to view)/Luay Sababa]
In an aggravation of Israeli policy of home demolitions, a house and two shops were razed in the Central West Bank village of Hares this morning. An additional house was reduced to rubble in the village of alKhadder, west of Bethlehem and a 1,000 square meters factory was demolished in the town Beit Sahour. In what seems a coordinated move, Israeli forces carried out demolitions in two different areas of the West Bank today, rendering at least 16 people homeless.
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
Every time I accidentally wander into these types of arguments, I feel like I need to have a shower right away. If this was real life, instead of a virtual one, these forums would be awash in blood. No wonder there is no peace in this world. It is inhabited by lunatics.
And you know, as well as everyone else, why he would say such a nasty thing. If people would stop pissing in each others corn flakes we could all eat our cereal in peace.
You mean like this?
Quote: Originally Posted by gore0bsessed
Badih Chayban in his October 23, 2002 article in The Daily Star, wrote that Nasrallah said, "If they [the Jews] all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide." Charles Glass believes that the quotation was likely a fabrication, citing other published accounts of Nasrallah's speech that had no reference to the anti-Semitic comment, and statements by the editor-in-chief of the Lebanese newspaper which published the quotes, that questioned both the translation and the "agenda of the translator." Glass also wrote that a Hezbollah spokeswoman, Wafa Hoteit, denied that Nasrallah made the statement.
Here is an actual quote
On November 30, 2009, while reading the party's new political manifesto, Hasan Nasrallah declared "Our problem with [the Israelis] is not that they are Jews, but that they are occupiers who are raping our land and holy places."
"raping".? Citizen rights to the place you were born should be a fundamental human right.
Nasrallah is a dangerous war criminal. Firing rockets at cities is a war crime. I support this kind of resistance:
Bil’in is a Palestinian village that is struggling to exist. It is fighting to safeguard its land, its olive trees, its resources… its liberty.
By annexing close to 60% of Bil’in land for Israeli settlements and the construction of Israel’s separation wall, the state of Israel is strangling the village. Every day it destroys a bit more, creating an open air prison for Bil’in’s inhabitants.
Supported by Israeli and international activists, Bil’in residents peacefully demonstrate every Friday in front of the “work-site of shame”. And every Friday the Israeli army responds with violence, both physically and psychologically.
Bil’in residents have continued to withstand these injustices despite the frequent night raids of Israeli soldiers in the town followed by an increasing number of arrests of inhabitants and of activists.
Most people in Lebanon, Israel and Palestine want to live in peace. I disagree with Nasrallah's advocacy of violence.
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