Another Shooting?? Shocking !! (not)


Ocean Breeze
#1
Virginia Tech shootings: Authorities believe gunman is second victim; alert lifted (external - login to view)

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DurkaDurka
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#2
What's your point? A woman was shot in Toronto last night or do you only paste stories about shootings in the US?
 
karrie
+4 / -2
#3
I wonder if she'd have the nerve to say the same thing if any of our Canadian colleges had repeat shootings?
 
DaSleeper
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Breezy: I can see from the last two comments that you're living up to your reputation.............
 
Ocean Breeze
+2 / -5
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

I wonder if she'd have the nerve to say the same thing if any of our Canadian colleges had repeat shootings?

If I see such news, I would definately post it. That is not the issue. The issue is that the culture of violence is quite prevelant in the US. Either that........or the media sure makes it seem that way. Each such incident is dramatized to the nth degree , analysed and re analysed........ with no change in overall policy........Until the next shooting.

Any shootings in Canada,, UK, European countries are just as horrific and barbaric. That is a no brainer. They just handle it differently and don't dramatize the event into some form of celeb status. That is the secondary gain for these shooters. They usually are people who feel like losers, have gone from crisis to crisis, or are emotionally so disturbed, this is the only way they think they can make their mark . It is the inner pathology that is relavent as is the whole gun issue.

Don't think Canadians or the Brits love their guns any where near as much as the US population. You can't attend a bridge game without ladies having little guns in their purses. When that level of gun worship exists in Canada , it will be the object for condemnation too.

How sad, to see the responses that are nothing but knee jerk reactions to the poster as opposed to the topic. Also how predictable.What is really sad, is that said posters have nothing of substance to contribute......so poster bashing fills in the void.
 
karrie
+4 / -1
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

How sad, to see the responses that are nothing but knee jerk reactions to the poster as opposed to the topic. Also how predictable.What is really sad, is that said posters have nothing of substance to contribute......so poster bashing fills in the void.

It had nothing to do with the poster, or even the post, and everything to do with the title. It was a gloat. A gloat over a shooting. I'm curious if you'd gloat equally if the same thing happened at Dawson College again? Or at Ecole Polytechnique?
 
Ocean Breeze
#7
Quote:

The lockdown at Virginia Tech has been lifted hours after after two people, including a police officer, were killed on campus.



The Virginia Tech police officer was shot and killed just after noon after making a routine traffic stop, school officials say.



Witnesses said the shooter fled on foot toward a parking lot. A body was later found at that lot. Virginia Tech reported on its website that a weapon was found near the body.

source: CNN breaking news mailing.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
+4
#8
Why is it a shock? We've had similar shootings here. We don't have the population of the US therefore our crime rate isn't as bad, but it still happens.
 
Colpy
+1
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

If I see such news, I would definately post it. That is not the issue. The issue is that the culture of violence is quite prevelant in the US. Either that........or the media sure makes it seem that way. Each such incident is dramatized to the nth degree , analysed and re analysed........ with no change in overall policy........Until the next shooting.
Any shootings in Canada,, UK, European countries are just as horrific and barbaric. That is a no brainer. They just handle it differently and don't dramatize the event into some form of celeb status. That is the secondary gain for these shooters. They usually are people who feel like losers, have gone from crisis to crisis, or are emotionally so disturbed, this is the only way they think they can make their mark . It is the inner pathology that is relavent as is the whole gun issue.
Don't think Canadians or the Brits love their guns any where near as much as the US population. You can't attend a bridge game without ladies having little guns in their purses. When that level of gun worship exists in Canada , it will be the object for condemnation too.
How sad, to see the responses that are nothing but knee jerk reactions to the poster as opposed to the topic. Also how predictable.What is really sad, is that said posters have nothing of substance to contribute......so poster bashing fills in the void.

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Good Lord!

Nobody "worships" guns.

The murder rate in the USA in 2010 was 4.8 per 100,000.
The murder rate worldwide in 2010 was 6.9 per 100,000.

The United States is a very peaceful and lawful place to live, all in all.

You don't have a clue.
 
Ocean Breeze
-2
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

It had nothing to do with the poster, or even the post, and everything to do with the title. It was a gloat. A gloat over a shooting. I'm curious if you'd gloat equally if the same thing happened at Dawson College again? Or at Ecole Polytechnique?

A GLOAT??? are you NUTS???? If you interpret that as a gloat........then you have some serious comprehension problems.

What it is is SARCASM. Sarcasm as shootings in the US have become part of daily life.

Where is hell is anyone GLOATING?? That is utter nonsense.........but it explains a lot. about how quick some resort to their knee jerk responses when that is not even the topic.
 
ironsides
+2
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

source: CNN breaking news mailing.

You want an answer to the topic, OK. I live in Florida where it is pretty easy to get a weapon. I know of no one who carry's their weapon all the time (except off duty police officers). Just because we can does not mean we do. You are right though, nothing like the sound and feel of a .45. You did not have to show your source, I believe you, it happens.
 
Ocean Breeze
-1
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Good Lord!

Nobody "worships" guns.

The murder rate in the USA in 2010 was 4.8 per 100,000.
The murder rate worldwide in 2010 was 6.9 per 100,000.

The United States is a very peaceful and lawful place to live, all in all.

You don't have a clue.

YOu were doing fine until your last statement. IS making it personal so important to you. Is putting down other posters so critical for you to feel important and superior.???

shameful;

and the US is NOT a peaceful place to live. (I have lived there.....and know from experience) About "worshipping" guns. You bet they do. Have you ever been at a ladies bridge club in the US where the middle ages ladies bring out their little guns and compare them, stroke them as if they were pets.

even that isn't the point. The point is : the culture of violence that is simmering and can erupt into an out of control situation. What about the VICTIMS of these shootings.?? (of all such shootings) Everyone gets in a flap over the shooter......the gun policy surfaces briefly , with little respect and caring for the victims............UNLESS of course they are celebs of sorts.
 
Goober
+1
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

A GLOAT??? are you NUTS???? If you interpret that as a gloat........then you have some serious comprehension problems.

What it is is SARCASM. Sarcasm as shootings in the US have become part of daily life.

Where is hell is anyone GLOATING?? That is utter nonsense.........but it explains a lot. about how quick some resort to their knee jerk responses when that is not even the topic.

I wonder what pattern we would see if all your threads were posted topic by topic. No I do not wonder at all.
 
Colpy
+1 / -1
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

It had nothing to do with the poster, or even the post, and everything to do with the title. It was a gloat. A gloat over a shooting. I'm curious if you'd gloat equally if the same thing happened at Dawson College again? Or at Ecole Polytechnique?


Dead on Karrie!
 
Ocean Breeze
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

I wonder what pattern we would see if all your threads were posted topic by topic. No I do not wonder at all.

do YOU KNOW and COMPREHEND what STICK to the TOPIC means???

the title does not even say anything about the US. But the knee jerkers anti OB folks are out in rabid packs .The OB haters form a forum subculture and all it takes is a post that is contorversial.......to bring out the gnashing teeth.

Wow......shameful.

Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Dead on Karrie!

OFF TOPIC. try and concentrate..... People get KILLED in these incidents. what about the victims??
 
karrie
+2
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

A GLOAT??? are you NUTS???? If you interpret that as a gloat........then you have some serious comprehension problems.

What it is is SARCASM. Sarcasm as shootings in the US have become part of daily life.

Where is hell is anyone GLOATING?? That is utter nonsense.........but it explains a lot. about how quick some resort to their knee jerk responses when that is not even the topic.

Shootings are a daily part of life in Canada too.

You imply with your title that you could see it coming, you knew it was going to happen, that it's not a surprise to you. That's a gloat. If you're curious why people are reacting poorly to the thread, there it is.
 
Goober
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

do YOU KNOW and COMPREHEND what STICK to the TOPIC means???

the title does not even say anything about the US. But the knee jerkers anti OB folks are out in rabid packs .The OB haters form a forum subculture and all it takes is a post that is contorversial.......to bring out the gnashing teeth.

Wow......



OFF TOPIC. try and concentrate..... People get KILLED in these incidents. what about the victims??

Wow - Then I must be a God Dammed Sinner -
 
Colpy
+1
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

YOu were doing fine until your last statement. IS making it personal so important to you. Is putting down other posters so critical for you to feel important and superior.???

shameful;

and the US is NOT a peaceful place to live.

It certainly is, in a relative sense.......the stats prove it.

We in Canada are fortunate to have one of the lowest murder rates on earth, at 1.6 per 100,000.

But step over the US southern border into Mexico.......and the rate is 18.0 per 100,000.

Take another step over Mexico's southern border, and the murder rate in Guatemala is 41.0 per 100,000 and Belize is 42.0 per 100,000.

Take one more step south into El Salvador....murder rate 66.0 per 100,000........or it's neighbour Honduras, murder rate 78.0 per 100,000.

That is a full 16 times the US rate.

The USA is a peaceful place to live.
 
karrie
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

do YOU KNOW and COMPREHEND what STICK to the TOPIC means???

the title does not even say anything about the US. But the knee jerkers anti OB folks are out in rabid packs .The OB haters form a forum subculture and all it takes is a post that is contorversial.......to bring out the gnashing teeth.

Wow......

I don't know you froma hole in the ground, let alone hate you. Your thread title gave an impression. Don't like it, perhaps you might want to think of what you MEANT to say, and have the mods change it. Right now, that is the only personal words from you on the subject. They imply that it's to be expected and scoffed at because you don't like the US's mentality.
 
Ocean Breeze
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

I don't know you froma hole in the ground, let alone hate you. Your thread title gave an impression. Don't like it, perhaps you might want to think of what you MEANT to say, and have the mods change it. Right now, that is the only personal words from you on the subject. They imply that it's to be expected and scoffed at because you don't like the US's mentality.

I meant to say exactly what I said. And yes.........shootings ARE predictable in a culture of violence. and aggression.

It was just a matter of time. If that is gloating in your world...........so be it.

In mine........it is a horrible testimony to a society on the rocks and one that even all the security systems are not able to control.

In my world ..........when something occurrs with monotonous regularity .........RED FLAGS go up.

How folks react to a topic is THEIR CHOICE. AS LONG AS THEY STICK TO the TOPIC.

Let me ask:

are folks surprised that another shooting incident occurred??

be honest with yourselves. Will folks be surprised when another one occurrs??


and Karrie: as you said " you don't know me from a hole in the ground. so you are taking extensive liberties when you try to tell me what I think of the US mentality. If you want to discuss US menatility .......great...........start a topic to that effect. I will happily answer that question.

thanks.
 
Goober
+2
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

I meant to say exactly what I said. And yes.........shootings ARE predictable in a culture of violence. and aggression.

It was just a matter of time. If that is gloating in your world...........so be it.

In mine........it is a horrible testimony to a society on the rocks and one that even all the security systems are not able to control.

In my world ..........when something occurrs with monotonous regularity .........RED FLAGS go up.

How folks react to a topic is THEIR CHOICE. AS LONG AS THEY STICK TO the TOPIC.

Let me ask:

are folks surprised that another shooting incident occurred??

be honest with yourselves. Will folks be surprised when another one occurrs??

thanks.

Still gloating I see. What a sad life you live.
 
karrie
+3
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Let me ask:

are folks surprised that another shooting incident occurred??

be honest with yourselves. Will folks be surprised when another one occurrs??

thanks.


I am surprised that another shooting occurred at the same school, yes. As I would be if Dawson College or POlytechnique were hit again. I'm always suprised and saddened by the way humans can/will treat each other.

But, you seem to refuse to answer my questions, so participation in this thread is pointless. Enjoy trying to dictate other people's responses to you, I hear it's a very fruitful endeavour on the net.
 
Ocean Breeze
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Still gloating I see. What a sad life you live.

off topic again.

Too bad some cannot tell the difference between gloating and SARCASM.

No to worry Goober.........will give you a pass.......as you simply don't get it. and come here to bash posters- specifically OB. If that is what turns your crank........go for it. But because you offer NOTHING to the discussion..."ignore" mode for you seems fitting.

have a nice day.

I personally think that folks are reacting to this topic this way because they KNOW the truth. They KNOW that the gun culture is so prominant in the US , as are the shootings. They KNOW it , but don't like it and don't really want to face it. As it would mean examining the whole aggression, violence issue & how it correlates with gun possession..

Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

I am surprised that another shooting occurred at the same school, yes. As I would be if Dawson College or POlytechnique were hit again. I'm always suprised and saddened by the way humans can/will treat each other.

But, you seem to refuse to answer my questions, so participation in this thread is pointless. Enjoy trying to dictate other people's responses to you, I hear it's a very fruitful endeavour on the net.

I continue to be horrified at how humans treat each other. Sorry, not sure which questions I didn't respond to........but if you pose them again.......I will be happy to do so.

Even though I am NOT surprised when a shooting occurs , in the US ........as that has become a routine occurrence. (ergo the sarcasm ) but I still AM surprised, shocked, grieved when a shooting occurrs in Canada. Anywhere in Canada. Shootings here have not reached the same level of frequency. Hope it never does. Maybe my response to shootings in Canada is naive. but because they are still quite rare.....in comparison........when it happens it seems so much more horrific.

The sadness I feel is for the victims but also for the ones shooting........as resorting to such aggression is simply NOT NORMAL. Most of these "shooters" are in one kind of crisis, (loss) or another. Some of course carry a prejudice against something. and usually only they know what it is. and{ it makes sense only to them.as it is usually rather twisted / bizarre..)

and agree......it is just so sad all around. So many ripple effects from such an incident.
Last edited by Ocean Breeze; Dec 8th, 2011 at 06:24 PM..
 
ironsides
#24
America is unique in many ways. One of the most important I think, is that this that one of this country’s most contentious issues is a moral one. I cannot think of any other place where moral issues divide a society as much as they do here.
The tension is a good one, I think. As long as there are moral issues at stake, we focus on our beliefs and values. It may not be pretty at times, but for the vast majority of us, the non professional agitators, both sides of a moral debate give us pause, even if we don’t admit it. That we anguish over morality is a moral choice in itself. Europe and other countries have long since abandoned any moral debate and they are the poorer for it. Unlike the societies and cultures that have a ‘one size fits all’ mentality and structure, we know, on a visceral level that we need to constantly define and redefine ourselves and values. There is great value in a society that allows for that debate, as difficult and hurtful as it is at times. We learn from it and we grow. [Unfortunately I cannot take credit for this, it is not mine. It comes from a post at blogspot]
 
Colpy
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post


I personally think that folks are reacting to this topic this way because they KNOW the truth. They KNOW that the gun culture is so prominant in the US , as are the shootings. They KNOW it , but don't like it and don't really want to face it. As it would mean examining the whole aggression, violence issue & how it correlates with gun possession..



I.

Would you like a comparison of the murder rates in the nations with the most prevalent gun ownership.....and the gun control regimen in the nations with the worst murder rates??

There simply is no correlation between gun ownership and murder rates.

That is why you get treated with scorn......your absolute refusal to deal with reality.
 
damngrumpy
+5
#26
We should through a sense of empathy be shocked when someone is murdered by
gunfire anywhere in the world, but surprised No. the fact is the murder by guns is
merely the method, if there were no guns, the killing would be by a different means.
Gun control and the rate of murder are two different things. Just because you have
gun control does not mean people won't have guns.
In Scandinavian countries gun laws are strict but still people get killed with guns and
in some cases worse, bombs. We have to understand the issue is not guns vs no
guns, it has to do with the mentality of the people who live in the country. There are
those who would not harm a fly and others who would kill their own mother for a
potato and they exist everywhere.
We have to spend more time and effort bringing up our children to have more respect
for themselves, others and humanity in general. Even with those efforts we will not
eradicate gun deaths or murder in general.
The answer to this problem is sometime the sad truth that there is no absolute solution
and no real answer. The sooner we face that reality we can explore some ways to
reduce the chances of it happening and that requires education and childhood upbringing,
and from what I see good luck with that.
 
JLM
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Virginia Tech shootings: Authorities believe gunman is second victim; alert lifted (external - login to view)

msnbc.com - Breaking news, science and tech news, world news, US news, local news- msnbc.com (external - login to view)

So.........................there is sh*t like this happening in virtually every major city every week or more often.

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

We should through a sense of empathy be shocked when someone is murdered by
gunfire anywhere in the world, but surprised No. the fact is the murder by guns is
merely the method, if there were no guns, the killing would be by a different means.
Gun control and the rate of murder are two different things. Just because you have
gun control does not mean people won't have guns.
In Scandinavian countries gun laws are strict but still people get killed with guns and
in some cases worse, bombs. We have to understand the issue is not guns vs no
guns, it has to do with the mentality of the people who live in the country. There are
those who would not harm a fly and others who would kill their own mother for a
potato and they exist everywhere.
We have to spend more time and effort bringing up our children to have more respect
for themselves, others and humanity in general. Even with those efforts we will not
eradicate gun deaths or murder in general.
The answer to this problem is sometime the sad truth that there is no absolute solution
and no real answer. The sooner we face that reality we can explore some ways to
reduce the chances of it happening and that requires education and childhood upbringing,
and from what I see good luck with that.

Yep, there's a few folks that are just A$$holes!
 
Ocean Breeze
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Would you like a comparison of the murder rates in the nations with the most prevalent gun ownership.....and the gun control regimen in the nations with the worst murder rates??

There simply is no correlation between gun ownership and murder rates.

That is why you get treated with scorn......your absolute refusal to deal with reality.

a) provide the stats of which you speak. thanks.

b) IF treating another poster with scorn is a good thing......and you all enjoy it , there is nothing anyone can do; Remember that those issuing the scorn are only showing themselves and their true colors. There is no need , on any forum to treat other posters that way. NONE> IF you disagree........then simply say so and state why . Is that too complicated???

But I guess when the gang mentality rules that scorn and ostracize another poster is the way to go.......then we have no right to question the idea of bullying as that is what it really is.

Not to worry........I can handle it. I can see beyond the scorn, the bullying, the nastiness and the personal attacks. One one level they might be hurtful. but in the larger scheme of things they are totally irrelavant. When scorning a poster is more important than sticking to the topic (agree or disagree)....... and the scorners find that rewarding and pleasurable........ so be it.

If we all agreed or liked all the posts on here.....it would get dull in a nano second.

have a nice day.

Quote:

Yep, there's a few folks that are just A$$holes!

would you care to elaborate on that???

Of course people would find ways to kill others ......even without guns. That is not the insight of the year.

(just ask any resident in a jail .......and they will give you a course on it )

IF guns are not part of the equation..........then how come these SHOOTINGS by GUNS take place so often?? The issue is that no one can agree on what role they play in this culture of violence.
How often do you hear about a murder by beating to death as compared to murder by guns?? Those that love statistics.....might want to present some data.
 
lone wolf
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

do YOU KNOW and COMPREHEND what STICK to the TOPIC means???

the title does not even say anything about the US. But the knee jerkers anti OB folks are out in rabid packs .The OB haters form a forum subculture and all it takes is a post that is contorversial.......to bring out the gnashing teeth.

Wow......shameful.



OFF TOPIC. try and concentrate..... People get KILLED in these incidents. what about the victims??

Simple.... They're dead, wounded or sensing loss.

The dead ones are beyond giving a damn
 
JLM
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post


would you care to elaborate on that???

Which part didn't you understand?
 

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