Fire Clement

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We all should set up face book pages for firing Clement

He is crap - If Harper keeps him his ability to state we have an honest Govt is in tatters. Write or email you MP and the PM. It is easy to add in a number of MP's for CC on an email. Do it on a regular basis. This Clement is crap

Little known fact - Harpers campaign provided a 10 K donation when Clement was running for the Leadership - It split the Ontario vote and as well affected Belinda.

Paperwork for G8 spending 'not perfect,' Clement says - Politics - CBC News

Treasury Board president Tony Clement says the way the G8 legacy fund was handled "was not perfect" and he's learned his lessons, but that he's qualified to be in charge of the public purse.

Clement was forced to defend his reputation and current role in Prime Minister Stephen Harper's cabinet while he testified at the House of Commons public accounts committee Wednesday about the controversial $50-million fund that was used for infrastructure projects in his Parry Sound-Muskoka riding north of Toronto.

"The paperwork for this was not perfect. It should have been better and I take my share of the responsibility for that and certainly I have learned that there are different ways and better ways to provide for these kinds of intake processes and I will commit myself to using those," Clement said.

Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird, the former infrastructure minister whose department was responsible for the G8 Legacy Infrastructure Fund, also appeared at the committee with Clement and they each explained their roles in the fund, and how it unfolded.

Clement announced the fund, on behalf of Baird, in February 2009 and he said mayors in his riding began drafting proposals to access the cash and came up with 242 ideas. Clement said he suggested to them that they decide amongst themselves what their priority projects would be and to weed out some of the proposals.

Throughout the preparations for the summit that was held in June 2010 at a resort in Huntsville, Ont., Clement said he acted as an intermediary between the local communities and the federal government and that he viewed that as part of his job as the MP for the area.

He said he offered his constituency office in Huntsville as a "depository" for the applications and then they were forwarded to officials in Baird's department in Ottawa. Thirty-three projects were presented for approval, one was withdrawn, Baird signed off on them and officials managed the administration of the projects once they were approved.

Clement denied that he had a hand in choosing the 32 projects and said the municipalities did it themselves, something Liberal MP Gerry Byrne on the committee found incredulous.

"In hindsight, it may have been better for infrastructure officials to review all 242 initial proposals and not simply encourage the local mayors to collaborate and focus their requests in the interests of efficiency and time," Clement said.

He also said he hoped his appearance at the committee would put an end to the opposition's attempts to keep the controversy alive.

"Today I am hopeful that ... we can finally put an end to the assertions contending that the review process undertaken was in any way unethical and that members can then move on to their reviews of other government operations pertaining to the rest of a large $280-billion federal budget," he said.

Border fund 'topped up' to pay for G8 projects
A report on the fund by retired auditor general Sheila Fraser determined that no bureaucrats in Ottawa were involved in the selection process, there was no paper trail to show how they were selected and that MPs unknowingly approved the $50-million fund. When they approved $83 million for the border fund they were not told that $50 million would go towards the projects in Clement's riding.

"The Border Infrastructure Fund was topped up," Baird said. "Money that was designed for border infrastructure was not diverted from improvements to border security or mobility, it was merely a delivery mechanism."

He said he allowed the border fund to be used based on advice from department officials and that he stands by his decision. Creating a whole new program just for the G8 legacy fund would have taken too long and there was an urgency to get the money out the door so that projects could be completed by the summit date, he said.

"My mission was to get things moving and with this fund time was of the essence," said Baird.

The foreign affairs minister said in hindsight, the spending approval documents presented to MPs could have included a line about money from the border fund going to the G8 fund and one of his officials at the meeting agreed that would have been "much wiser."

"The auditor general has said we should've been clearer to Parliament ... she's right. It should have been and next time it will," said Baird.

The money was used for a variety of projects, some nowhere near the summit site, including a community centre expansion worth $16.7 million, new sidewalks, gazebos, signage, flower baskets, landscaping and new public washrooms in towns throughout the riding. When other Canadian cities have hosted G8 meetings they also received money as thanks from the federal government and to help them upgrade and beautify infrastructure. Those funds were in the neighbourhood of $4 million and $5 million.

'I believe that my record is a good record, it's an untainted record, it's a record of probity and honesty.'
—Tony Clement, Treasury Board presidentOpposition MPs have accused Clement of creating a slush fund designed to boost his popularity and other wrongdoing and have been hammering away at him in the House of Commons for weeks.

Every time the NDP has asked a question of him, however, Baird has risen to answer. Clement said following his testimony Wednesday that Baird was the minister responsible for the fund and had he taken any of the questions himself, it would have broken down the wall of ministerial accountability. He said he was happy to appear at the committee to answer questions.

During the committee meeting, NDP MP Charlie Angus questioned Clement's capability as a minister and suggested that given what happened with the G8 fund, he should not be the man in charge of the Treasury Board.

"I believe that my record is a good record, it's an untainted record, it's a record of probity and honesty. I try and do my job the best I can for the people who have not only elected me but for the people of Canada and I will continue to do so in my new role as president of the Treasury Board," Clement shot back.

Later he told reporters that he would take the lessons he's learned from the auditor general's report with him to Treasury Board and implement her recommendations.

Angus, after the meeting, said MPs on the committee "got a complete run-around" and their questions weren't answered. He's still concerned about the lack of a paper trail to demonstrate how the projects were picked, and he said the bigger issue is why Harper promoted Clement to Treasury Board.
 

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I agree...

If only the same sentiment rolled around the net when the finance minister that controlled the purse strings during AdScam ran for PM.

It did - But Chretien got away with it. Does that make any difference - Clement well he sucks - Millions at a time, 50 Million - 1/5th of Adscam - Now in charge of the Treasury Board. The Golden Purse. And wait for it pure politics at the lowest levels will be played.

Harper backtracked over the years on a number of things - Is he going to add honesty, as much as you can get from a Politician, to the list.
 

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Out of a cannon? Will they be selling tickets?

In the interest of fairness I want to state I'd also pay to see either Chretien or Martin fired from a cannon as well.

Seriously though, Clement is a shifty little nerd. I want to see those Gazebo receipts damnit!
 

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My guess is that Tony Clement won't be around long. He will be standing before a committee answering questions about his actions and that will likely be his swan song.
 

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Flout the rules until found out, plead innocence due to ignorance, repent without admitting guilt, and swear that it won't happen again because you are going to fix the problem that was you in the first place. Can successful politicians do this? I guess we will find out.
 

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Yea, he was pretty cavalier and you shouldn't have that kind of attitude about this sort of thing.
 

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Yea, he was pretty cavalier and you shouldn't have that kind of attitude about this sort of thing.


Clement gives few straight answers

"If I was the decision-maker, if I had set up a parallel process - and created a situation where the auditor-general did not know, that's their accusation - I'd be resigning right now and turning myself into the local police office."

Mr. Clement's logic is plain: since choosing the projects himself would have been wrong, he obviously did not do so. He must deny it, forever and with great sincerity, which is what he spent Wednesday doing.
 

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Just check out this stare down by Baird.

He looks like he's about to murder you for asking Tony a question.

"The honorable" is also a nice touch.

 

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Just check out this stare down by Baird.

He looks like he's about to murder you for asking Tony a question.

"The honorable" is also a nice touch.


Is that hemlock in the glass.

And Baird appears to be pondering the number of ways he could cut Tony's nuts off.
 

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Just check out this stare down by Baird.

He looks like he's about to murder you for asking Tony a question.

"The honorable" is also a nice touch.


Personally I think Baird just looks bored.

Tony "Gazebo" Clement looks like he's sweating a little though.
 

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Personally I think Baird just looks bored.

Tony "Gazebo" Clement looks like he's sweating a little though.

That is because John the Nut Cutter aka The Ball Crusher Baird now owns Tony.

That is not a bored look, more akin to Anthony Hopkins in Hannibal viewing his next meal.
 

SLM

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That is because John the Nut Cutter aka The Ball Crusher Baird now owns Tony.

Probably always did. Tony doesn't look like the type to cut it grade school without some protection. If ya wants protection ya gots to pay the price. :)

That is not a bored look, more akin to Anthony Hopkins in Hannibal viewing his next meal.

I've actually kind of warmed up to Baird now he's using his indoor voice more often.



I'm sorry?

What is accountability?

Why am I hearing those lines in Fat Tony's voice?

Give us back the Gazebo money and no one gets hurt. :)
 

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Here's the best laugh:

""
Mr. Clement, who is now president of the Treasury Board, admitted he made mistakes. "The auditor-general said she was concerned about the lack of documentation," he said. "I take that to heart. The paperwork for this was not perfect."
"Not perfect?" Mr. Angus interrupted. "It doesn't exist."
"I take my share of responsibility for that and certainly I have learned that there are different ways and better ways to provide these kinds of intake processes, and I commit myself to using them," Mr. Clement said.
Mr. Angus was not mollified. "When people started asking questions, you said, 'I'm sorry, the dog ate my homework. I'll do better the next time.' What are you doing at Treasury Board?"
It's a good question."""




the dog ate my homework:lol:




Gotta admit, if slimy is what you wanted when you voted for these guys, youse got it. Nothing is going to come of this, but it's great to watch'em squirm.