Our tax code is pockmarked with costly exemptions

dumpthemonarchy

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JS wants to save us some money. Yay. Here's two I like that need to be cut.

1. Dump professional and union dues exemptions and save $745 million (won't hurt the economy)
2. Free accomodation for religious people $86 million (a less religious nation is a better, less dangerous nation. check out Middle East "peace process")


Our tax code is pockmarked with costly exemptions - The Globe and Mail


JEFFREY SIMPSON

Our tax code is pockmarked with costly exemptions

[FONT=8ab81fa82ce300270e8c9170#540b00]JEFFREY SIMPSON[/FONT] | Columnist profile | E-mail From Wednesday's Globe and Mail

Published Wednesday, Oct. 19, 2011 2:00AM EDT

Last updated Wednesday, Oct. 19, 2011 7:47AM EDT



Professionals and many union members earn above the average income for Canadians. And yet, they can deduct their professional or union dues from their income tax. The cost to the Treasury of forgone revenue: $745-million in 2010.
University students, by and large, earn income well above the average income of Canadians once they enter the work force. And yet, students or their families can enjoy tax credits for tuition, textbooks, tax exemptions for scholarships, student loan interest and other benefits. The cost to the Treasury of forgone revenue: $1.6-billion.
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Individuals fortunate enough to enjoy company health and dental plan coverage don’t have to consider these benefits as income for tax purposes. The cost to the Treasury: $2.9-billion.

Canada’s clergy, if they live in accommodations supplied by their congregations, don’t pay income tax on the housing allowance. The measure dates to 1949. The cost to the Treasury: $86-million.

The list of exemptions from tax – so-called tax expenditures – rolls on and on. Dozens and dozens of them pockmark the tax code. Many have been there for decades, yet remain without scrutiny. Client groups have come to expect them. Remove or dilute any, and listen to the howls. And yet, at a time of large deficits, what better time to review their utility? And what better time than after a blue-ribbon panel under Open Text CEO Tom Jenkins ripped apart a range of failed corporate tax credits designed to aid research and development.

In Ottawa, a group of ministers is figuring out how to cut government spending. Departments have been required to prepare blueprints for cuts of 5 per cent and 10 per cent. Deputy ministers’ bonuses will partly depend on how much they cut. In charge of the review is Treasury Board President Tony Clement, he of the G8 boondoggle spending in his riding, an example, we might think, of putting the fox in charge of the chickens. But we digress, in part because, ultimately, the Prime Minister will decide before the next budget.

While the ministers’ attention centres on program spending, tax expenditures fly well below the radar. They almost never get sustained attention from anyone; indeed, the Harper government has added many new tax expenditures to a tax system already overloaded with them. Program spending is much easier to understand, for parliamentarians, the media and the public.

According to the OECD, Canada relies more on tax expenditures than almost any country. As a share of total tax revenues, Canadian tax expenditures amounted to 59.3 per cent, higher even than the United States at 57.97 per cent and way above Germany at 8.8 per cent and the Netherlands at 9.6 per cent.

These figures come from an introduction to a book of essays about tax expenditures just published by the Canadian Tax Foundation and Osgoode Hall Law School under editors Lisa Philipps, Neil Brooks and Jinyan Li. Some of these essays argue, quite plausibly, that tax credits disproportionately benefit those who need tax help the least – although try selling that argument politically to those who receive the benefits. Other tax expenditures reflect “all politics all the time,” as with the Harper government’s transit pass tax credit that costs $145-million a year. Initially sold as a climate-change measure to induce people to leave their cars at home, it turns out that 95 per cent of those who receive the credit were already taking public transit.

Some tax expenditures are small, as with the Harper government’s next-to-useless children’s fitness tax credit that costs $115-million but offers credits too low to change family behaviour. Others are huge, costly and sacrosanct, such as RRSPs that cost $7.3-billion net of tax paid after RRSP money is withdrawn. Or the medical expense tax credit (in a country with a supposedly public health-care system?): $1-billion.

The Finance Department publishes an annual report on tax expenditures, but it gets a fraction of the attention devoted to spending plans. The report is full of statistics and, therefore, boring, a bit like the public accounts that sail past the media and through Parliament. Tax expenditures also get short shrift from the Auditor-General, whose office is preoccupied with program spending rather than the “value for money” of the tax system.

Spending and tax expenditures should get the same scrutiny, since both cost taxpayers a huge amount of money. It’s too bad they don’t.
 

TenPenny

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You can pay a prof expense and not have a business. It doesn't seem like commerce to me. Plus, they can afford it. Gotta help reduce the deficit.


'they can afford it'

True, and mechanics and welders can afford to buy their own tools, so stop allowing them to deduct that.
And let's stop allowing an education deduction.
 

petros

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True, and mechanics and welders can afford to buy their own tools, so stop
allowing them to deduct that.
Wouldn't it mainly be new to the trades people buying their tools for the first time? Entry level wages, student loans to repay expensive tools, all just to get into the game of beng a lifetime taxpayer.

Nah...lets not give them a leg up.
 

TenPenny

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Wouldn't it mainly be new to the trades people buying their tools for the first time? Entry level wages, student loans to repay expensive tools, all just to get into the game of beng a lifetime taxpayer.

Nah...lets not give them a leg up.

Either your working tools and professional dues are a deduction, or they aren't.
 

petros

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Both are and should remain so. I even support the $500 a year tax credit for those in apprenticeship programs.
 

dumpthemonarchy

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Starting off as a tradesman, and buying is a one time expenditure like new tools, it is not done yearly like dues are paid. I think buying manufactured goods, especially if they are made in the country can have a larger benefit, than sending a cheque to an organization and supporting a bureaucracy.

I found out the oild and gas industry can deduct the cost of drilling wells, but the geothermal industry cannot. What's the difference? So many of the goodies business gets are about clout and political lobbying. Private benefit, and public cost. The latter needs to be minimised. All biusinesses of course love govt subsidies, good for me, bad for you.
 

CDNBear

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Wouldn't it mainly be new to the trades people buying their tools for the first time?
Most tools are consumables. Nothing last forever.

Starting off as a tradesman, and buying is a one time expenditure like new tools, it is not done yearly like dues are paid.
Really dumpster? How often do you need to replace worn out vanes in an impact gun? A angled die grinder? How often do you think a TIG head breaks? What about stolen property? An no, insurance doesn't cover the whole cost, nor do I file a claim every time a fellow tradesmen walks off with one of my tools.

And I won't even get into upgrading equipment to remain competitive.
 

gerryh

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Starting off as a tradesman, and buying is a one time expenditure like new tools, it is not done yearly like dues are paid. .

Most tools are consumables. Nothing last forever.

Really dumpster? How often do you need to replace worn out vanes in an impact gun? A angled die grinder? How often do you think a TIG head breaks? What about stolen property? An no, insurance doesn't cover the whole cost, nor do I file a claim every time a fellow tradesmen walks off with one of my tools.

And I won't even get into upgrading equipment to remain competitive.


One more example of talking about something he knows nothing about.

dumpy, do you have ANY idea how much money a good mechanic has sunk into his tool boxes? Or how much money a year he needs to spend to keep up with the newest software and specialty tools to fix the new cars?
 

dumpthemonarchy

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Starting off and getting a deduction for buying tools seems fine, but perhaps scaling it down over time. I did say tools deductions were a better deduction than dues. If you're in a union, or you're a professional, you tend to make more than the average income.

Too many deductions are subsidies for employers, why should taxpayers pay for this? Deductions are for stimulus, once things start to move, that is, money is being made, they ought to be eliminated, you can't suck off the govt tit forever. These deductions require sunset clauses.
 

gerryh

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I see you didn't answer my questions....That would then be an affirmative to you once again not knowing what you are talking about.
 

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Most Union dues go to pay health benefits. Take them out and
All you'll end up with is a hole load of medical expense
That are also tax exempt. So that would end up only saving a small fraction
of what you think.
The tools tax exempt only work if you have a company form.
Most trades people don't have access to them and pay there tools with no
tax exempt. That exempt is to help company's
 
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DaSleeper

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Most Union dues go to pay health benefits. Take them out and
All you'll end up with is a hole load of medical expense
That are also tax exempt. So that would end up only saving a small fraction
of what you think.
The tools tax exempt only work if you have a company form.
Most trades people don't have access to them and pay there tools with no
tax exempt.

I guess you have never filed any taxes......:roll:
 

CDNBear

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Most Union dues go to pay health benefits. Take them out and
All you'll end up with is a hole load of medical expense
That are also tax exempt.
Most dues, go to paying Union leadership. In Canada we have free health care. Remember?

The tools tax exempt only work if you have a company form.
You mean a registered business.

Most trades people don't have access to them and pay there tools with no
tax exempt.
Are you talking about self employed tradesmen, or employees without a tool clause in a contract?

I guess you have never filed any taxes......:roll:
That was really a guess?
 
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