You had your chance and now they will come for the jobs....

petros

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Foreign Oil Companies To Help Ease Labour Shortages...

Foreign national oil companies (NOCs) will likely increase their presence in Canada’s oil sands, with one or two non-Chinese deals likely be struck in the next year, Deloitte predicted in a new report.

Their role could help the sector overcome labour shortages by drawing talent from their home base, according to the report that highlights major trends in the oil sands prepared by the firm’s Canadian energy and resources practice.

But the growing presence of state-controlled oil companies won’t come without challenges, including difficulties by NOCs in understanding Canadian law and its culture of transparency; understanding regulatory, tax and public oversight; and finding and retaining top workers. They will continue to play an evolving and sometimes unpredictable role, the report predicts.

Released Tuesday, the report, Gaining Ground in the Sands 2012, warns skills shortages will persist and worsen, making Alberta an “employee-driven market” through 2020 as baby boomers retire and as a result of few established plans to retain talent and institutional memory.

Meanwhile, turnover will be expensive, with separation and replacement costs for talent ranging from 25% to 200% of the position’s annual compensation.

“Companies will be challenged to create cultures where incoming Gen Y feels accepted and valued, as well as happy to collaborate with and learn from older employees,” the firm says.

Deloitte also expects negative public perceptions of the sector to continue unless companies reconsider some of their communications practices, which includes criticizing opponents for not knowing all the facts.

“In the game of public perception, the puck stops with industry and like hockey, swaying public perception is often a game of inches and success is the outcome of hard work, deep and tailored communication and synergies between all players.”
 

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Foreign Oil Companies To Help Ease Labour Shortages...

Foreign national oil companies (NOCs) will likely increase their presence in Canada’s oil sands, with one or two non-Chinese deals likely be struck in the next year, Deloitte predicted in a new report.

Their role could help the sector overcome labour shortages by drawing talent from their home base, according to the report that highlights major trends in the oil sands prepared by the firm’s Canadian energy and resources practice.

But the growing presence of state-controlled oil companies won’t come without challenges, including difficulties by NOCs in understanding Canadian law and its culture of transparency; understanding regulatory, tax and public oversight; and finding and retaining top workers. They will continue to play an evolving and sometimes unpredictable role, the report predicts.

Released Tuesday, the report, Gaining Ground in the Sands 2012, warns skills shortages will persist and worsen, making Alberta an “employee-driven market” through 2020 as baby boomers retire and as a result of few established plans to retain talent and institutional memory.

Meanwhile, turnover will be expensive, with separation and replacement costs for talent ranging from 25% to 200% of the position’s annual compensation.

“Companies will be challenged to create cultures where incoming Gen Y feels accepted and valued, as well as happy to collaborate with and learn from older employees,” the firm says.

Deloitte also expects negative public perceptions of the sector to continue unless companies reconsider some of their communications practices, which includes criticizing opponents for not knowing all the facts.

“In the game of public perception, the puck stops with industry and like hockey, swaying public perception is often a game of inches and success is the outcome of hard work, deep and tailored communication and synergies between all players.”

Do you recall the safety problems with a Chinese company resulting in deaths on site - also non payment of wages. I imagine they will be scrutinized more so because of past practices.
 

petros

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Do you recall the safety problems with a Chinese company resulting in deaths on site - also non payment of wages. I imagine they will be scrutinized more so because of past practices.
Yup, on a tank farm. If foreign labour comes here they'd better play by our safety and labour laws.
 

Kakato

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Things are dumbed down so much at the oilsands its hard to get hurt.They have enough policies and procedures at each site so that even the most clueless will have to really try to get hurt.
 

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Things are dumbed down so much at the oilsands its hard to get hurt.They have enough policies and procedures at each site so that even the most clueless will have to really try to get hurt.

You are referring to NA Companies that are used to working with a number of safety codes, environmental regs, rights of the worker and on and on. Can't say that about the Chinese company I mentioned earlier
 

Kakato

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You are referring to NA Companies that are used to working with a number of safety codes, environmental regs, rights of the worker and on and on. Can't say that about the Chinese company I mentioned earlier
If their in the oilsands they will have to comply or be booted off the property,they bankrupt outfits that try and cheat on osha codes.
 

damngrumpy

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Transient worker programs the foot in the door and now we will see foreigners taking
prominent jobs in this country and they will feature a wage race to the bottom.
It is time to stand up and demand Canada For Canadians.
Not just in the jobs field but in business, manufacturing, access to energy and so on,
I have nothing against people coming here and becoming Canadians, and having
access to jobs, but foreign nationals should have a vetting system when it comes to
the jobs market.
 

dumpthemonarchy

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Transient worker programs the foot in the door and now we will see foreigners taking
prominent jobs in this country and they will feature a wage race to the bottom.
It is time to stand up and demand Canada For Canadians.
Not just in the jobs field but in business, manufacturing, access to energy and so on,
I have nothing against people coming here and becoming Canadians, and having
access to jobs, but foreign nationals should have a vetting system when it comes to
the jobs market.

Yes, all part of cutting down the immigration dept down to size. What an attitude this title talks about, we have lost our chance, in Canada? Time to kick these "globalists" around a bit, and they are in all parties. Something is wrong here, corporations don't own the country, but they act like they do. So they walk over working people.
 

Kakato

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Dont think it will be any different then the newfys,lots of knife in the back thing at fort Crack as it is right now.That's why not too many Albertans working there.
 

TenPenny

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It'smore like, "We in Alberta want to develop our tar sands ASAP, and sell the product as unprocessed as possible". The feds say, "Okie doke, we are your flunkies." The corporate agenda speaks, private profit, public cost.

Remember what happened when the feds wanted some say, Alberta still resents Ottawa because of it.
 

jjaycee98

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Foreign Oil Companies To Help Ease Labour Shortages...

Foreign national oil companies (NOCs) will likely increase their presence in Canada’s oil sands, with one or two non-Chinese deals likely be struck in the next year, Deloitte predicted in a new report.

Their role could help the sector overcome labour shortages by drawing talent from their home base, according to the report that highlights major trends in the oil sands prepared by the firm’s Canadian energy and resources practice.

But the growing presence of state-controlled oil companies won’t come without challenges, including difficulties by NOCs in understanding Canadian law and its culture of transparency; understanding regulatory, tax and public oversight; and finding and retaining top workers. They will continue to play an evolving and sometimes unpredictable role, the report predicts.

Released Tuesday, the report, Gaining Ground in the Sands 2012, warns skills shortages will persist and worsen, making Alberta an “employee-driven market” through 2020 as baby boomers retire and as a result of few established plans to retain talent and institutional memory.

Meanwhile, turnover will be expensive, with separation and replacement costs for talent ranging from 25% to 200% of the position’s annual compensation.

“Companies will be challenged to create cultures where incoming Gen Y feels accepted and valued, as well as happy to collaborate with and learn from older employees,” the firm says.

Deloitte also expects negative public perceptions of the sector to continue unless companies reconsider some of their communications practices, which includes criticizing opponents for not knowing all the facts.

“In the game of public perception, the puck stops with industry and like hockey, swaying public perception is often a game of inches and success is the outcome of hard work, deep and tailored communication and synergies between all players.”


The Oil Companies have been saying they need huge numbers of Trades people for the last 10 years. The problems are:

Our lazy people are not willing to take the time to get trained.

The Industry itself is not willing to take on Apprentices unless there is Government sponsorship and big rewards for doing so.

The Government is not pro-active in linking the EI program with the Apprenticeship program.

Provincial Labour Laws could require that those put to work on certain jobs could be required to be enrolled in Training programs-beyond just the safety programs and tickets required for labourers.
 

CDNBear

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It'smore like, "We in Alberta want to develop our tar sands ASAP, and sell the product as unprocessed as possible". The feds say, "Okie doke, we are your flunkies." The corporate agenda speaks, private profit, public cost.
Why are you on pogie when there's work to be had in the sands?

So they walk over working people.
Which excludes you eh.
 

Kakato

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The Oil Companies have been saying they need huge numbers of Trades people for the last 10 years. The problems are:

Our lazy people are not willing to take the time to get trained.

The Industry itself is not willing to take on Apprentices unless there is Government sponsorship and big rewards for doing so.

The Government is not pro-active in linking the EI program with the Apprenticeship program.

Provincial Labour Laws could require that those put to work on certain jobs could be required to be enrolled in Training programs-beyond just the safety programs and tickets required for labourers.
If you get a job in the oilsands doing anything you can expect about 3 weeks of training before your even allowed on site,then it's constant training and mandatory.That's just one of the things I hated about the place,so many badges hanging around your neck.Work isnt hard in the oilsands either,you never work alone and running heavy haulers and other equipment isnt exactly a hard job in that setting.They used to tell me to go sit on my hoe somewhere and hide.
And if your on EI in Alberta they do pay for all PITS training for the oilpatch.The oilsands have their own version of PITS but its adopted industry wide for all operations.
 

EagleSmack

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Transient worker programs the foot in the door and now we will see foreigners taking
prominent jobs in this country and they will feature a wage race to the bottom.
It is time to stand up and demand Canada For Canadians.
Not just in the jobs field but in business, manufacturing, access to energy and so on,
I have nothing against people coming here and becoming Canadians, and having
access to jobs, but foreign nationals should have a vetting system when it comes to
the jobs market.

Gosh I love when it when libs start sounding like conservatives.

Here in the US this is called right wing hate speech. You sound just like the Tea Party.
 

JLM

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Transient worker programs the foot in the door and now we will see foreigners taking
prominent jobs in this country and they will feature a wage race to the bottom.
It is time to stand up and demand Canada For Canadians.
Not just in the jobs field but in business, manufacturing, access to energy and so on,
I have nothing against people coming here and becoming Canadians, and having
access to jobs, but foreign nationals should have a vetting system when it comes to
the jobs market.

I'm wondering if wages in Canada and the U.S. aren't unrealistically high compared to the rest of the world. Maybe it's time for everyone to try to settle somewhere in the middle. :smile:
 

Kakato

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They have a job fair in lethbridge and were advertising electricians starting rate is $51.00/hr
They also will pay part of your mortgage if you move there and have huge retention bonuses if you stay.
You can make about 3 times the money you would working in the elk valley coal mines doing the same type of job.
 

EagleSmack

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They have a job fair in lethbridge and were advertising electricians starting rate is $51.00/hr
They also will pay part of your mortgage if you move there and have huge retention bonuses if you stay.
You can make about 3 times the money you would working in the elk valley coal mines doing the same type of job.


Hmmm... the Elk Valley Coal Mines? Sounds exotic. ;)