India Wants To Influence Canadian Policy Toward India

dumpthemonarchy

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Because there are more than one million Indians from India in Canada, the govt of India feels there is an adequate number in this diaspora to influence Canadian policy toward India. They also want to facilitate more cultural interaction with the second and third generation born Indians in Canada.

Indian governmental intervention of this nature seems like an omninous development. This simply slows down assimilation of Indian immigrants into Canadian culture. And keeps them more informed of old fueds to being them here. Old fueds that are often religious based and have no end, and India has plenty of that.

Another reason to dump the monarchy and get out of the Commonwealth.



Premature to party over Indian diaspora


By Prem Kumar, Edmonton Journal July 28, 2011


The Indian High Commission in Canada experienced a spasm of excitement last month.

A large contingent of government officials arrived from New Delhi for the twin purposes of connecting afresh with the Indian diaspora and negotiating bilateral trade and immigration agreements with Canada.

Evidently, the government of India feels the one-million strong diaspora here has gathered the "critical mass" necessary to help influence Canadian policy toward India.

The diaspora also generates sizable foreign exchange and tourism as Indians visit the motherland in increasing numbers to acquaint their Canadian-born children with their culture, and for shopping and investment. A fabulous exchange rate (one Canadian dollar equals almost 40 rupees) and fairly decent travel facilities allow a visitor to indulge in luxury: servants, daylong taxi service, tony restaurants and fancy hotels. Indo-Canadian seniors also visit India to pay their last obeisance in holy places, which supposedly absolves one of sins and ensures salvation.

So the High Commission held festivities and information sessions with the cream of Indo-Canadians in Toronto, where North America's first Indian cultural centre will be built. The centre will disseminate information about India, especially among second-generation, Canadian-born Indians, and facilitate cultural interaction with India.

The event was meant to ignite a sense of celebration and pride among Indo-Canadians, whose history extends over 100 years in Canada. The Indian delegation also wished to update agreements on bilateral trade between India and Canada, and emigration from India, which has steadily increased. Issues like double taxation and sponsorship of older dependents were discussed. Prime Minister Stephen Harper's government had been chided by opponents in the federal election campaign for ignoring India, the so-called economic tiger, a superpower in the making, and a source of a large number of immigrants.

Indo-Canadians have progressed in the past two decades. They have crossed the invisible glass barrier and don't predominate at the foot of the vertical mosaic. They hold high positions in professions and civil service. There are scores of Indo-Canadian millionaires who have made a mark in trucking, real estate, furniture manufacturing and farming. The recurring election of Indo-Canadians as MPs, MLAs and city councillors is a fact of Canadian political life. Even an Indian immigrant who works as a taxi driver, nursing aide, petty shopkeeper and at the service counter enjoys a higher living standard here than his or her counterpart in India. For all this, Canada deserves gratitude and appreciation from the Indian diaspora.

But the talk of celebrating and preening over the arrival of the India diaspora in Canada is premature. It smacks of a hollow hubris. The Indo-Canadian community has an unsavoury underside. It is riddled with bickering and ill will. Because of the lenient Canadian family reunification rules, many a chain sponsorship has occurred, leading to widespread family disputes, and lies and remorse. As the Supreme Court of Canada recently noted, an immigrant's responsibility for importing a relative can't be disowned at will.


As well, young Indo-Canadian females are often forced to follow the Indian tradition of chastity and arranged marriage, which hampers personal freedom and career choices. Divorce among Indo-Canadians is quite rare, resulting in many an unhappy marriage. Finally, numerous Indian places of worship dotting the Canadian landscape now reek with fractious intrigue and abuse; and the RCMP is routinely summoned during annual elections.

Gian Kaushal, a respected Indo-Canadian educator in Winnipeg, noted that Indo-Canadians eagerly take to Canadian services, but not Canadian values. Time magazine's Fareed Zakaria recently urged the Indian diaspora of North America to be more receptive to the mores of their adopted land. It would be wise, therefore, for Indo-Canadians to put their houses in order and repair their tainted reputation, so that the mainstream Canadians deem us a welcome addition to Canada.

Prem Kumar is an Indo-Canadian who has lived in Canada for more than 35 years. He is a graduate from the universities of Guelph, Toronto and Alberta and has worked as a college instructor, researcher and government officer.

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Praxius

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"dumping" the Monarchy will not suddenly solve all of your problems with immigration.... and you do seem to have a lot of issues with immigration, otherwise, why would you keep posting nothing but threads about immigration and immigrants?

Just looking through your posts in your profile, there's only two other threads that don't directly tie to immigration that you've posted in, everything else is immigration this, immigrants that.

Every democratic/western country in the world has immigrants and they all have other countries trying to influence them..... and Canada pulls the same stunts. Whether we're a part of the Commonwealth, run by Monarchy, a Republic, Dictatorship, whatever, we live in a global society and that involves interaction and influence between other nations, both good and bad.

Geez, get over it already.

This particular report goes on about all the horrors of Indian culture and the problems that lie in their types of marriage, yet let's not forget all of the other types of marriage that have piles of problems as well, including the typical Christian'style marriage most are accustomed to in Canada and the US, etc.

It wasn't even 2-3 decades ago in Canada that many families would disown you if you ended up having a child with a partner and didn't marry, because it made them look bad in their local community or their local church. And don't forget, this stuff still happens today.

By the way, if you're posting this in the News section, where's the link to your source? Also, this doesn't look like an actual news report, rather it smells a lot like some personal opinion piece, loaded with bias.
 

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"dumping" the Monarchy will not suddenly solve all of your problems with immigration.... and you do seem to have a lot of issues with immigration, otherwise, why would you keep posting nothing but threads about immigration and immigrants?

Just looking through your posts in your profile, there's only two other threads that don't directly tie to immigration that you've posted in, everything else is immigration this, immigrants that.

Every democratic/western country in the world has immigrants and they all have other countries trying to influence them..... and Canada pulls the same stunts. Whether we're a part of the Commonwealth, run by Monarchy, a Republic, Dictatorship, whatever, we live in a global society and that involves interaction and influence between other nations, both good and bad.

Geez, get over it already.

This particular report goes on about all the horrors of Indian culture and the problems that lie in their types of marriage, yet let's not forget all of the other types of marriage that have piles of problems as well, including the typical Christian'style marriage most are accustomed to in Canada and the US, etc.

It wasn't even 2-3 decades ago in Canada that many families would disown you if you ended up having a child with a partner and didn't marry, because it made them look bad in their local community or their local church. And don't forget, this stuff still happens today.

By the way, if you're posting this in the News section, where's the link to your source? Also, this doesn't look like an actual news report, rather it smells a lot like some personal opinion piece, loaded with bias.

Premature to party over Indian diaspora

There's nothing wrong with this opinion piece. Other countries have designs on Canada and if you wish to suppress that opinion, I disagree. The atmospherics here bother me. I don't like it when govts around the world desire to use their power to gain influence in Canada. Why can't they just privately rent office space like the Goethe Institute of Germany does? No, they must weasle their into our govts and our enabling politicians who are always looking for ways to cater to the ehtnic vote. Right now the Confucious Insititute rents office space from BCIT and has a partnership with the Edmonton Public School Board, among others in Canada.

Having a monarchy helps keep us in the Commonwealth, which has the Commonwealth Games, and costs billions for a third rate athletic contest. And the monarchy helps keep us connected to British imperialism and colonial white guilt. Britain, not us, colonized Asia and Africa, they have interests there we will never have due to history.

A standard trade deal with India is fine, beyond that, forget it. Which has been in the pipeline for years and won't happen anytime soon.
 

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I am not prejudiced against any race, but I sure as hell am prejudiced against the behaviour exhibited by several races and we seen far too much of that behaviour in this country.
 

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8O If they come and bring their customs, do we get to watch suttee??:blob:

Some crafty entrepreneur could make a rupee or two charging admission.

Can we touch an untouchable??
Help a Hindu?
Bait a Brahmin?
 

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I just ate Hindu. Best Hindu I've had in awhile. Cooked to perfection and served with fried baby potatos and dill. Yummy.
 

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One more example of why multi-culti does not work. Why come to Canada if you are going to bring your baggage with you.

? Government's are always trying to influence other governments. You think that the Mexicans don't try to pressure American government, because America is not endorsing multi-culturalism? This would happen regardless of our tolerance for what people want to sing, celebrate, and cook with.
 

petros

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What the hell are the white Hindus and Muslims in Ottawa doing setting our immigration policy? Maybe we need to send these whities back where they came from?
 

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? Government's are always trying to influence other governments. You think that the Mexicans don't try to pressure American government, because America is not endorsing multi-culturalism? This would happen regardless of our tolerance for what people want to sing, celebrate, and cook with.

Indeed, and is pretty much what I just said. Every single country, including Canada, attempts to influence other nations for their own best interests, so trying to play Canada as the poor victim of being influenced by other nations is a little silly.... or perhaps knowingly bias in perspective.

In regards to immigrants coming into the country and possibly bringing their "Baggage" with them, or even their heritage, why does any single person in here think they're justified in finger pointing and telling other people what they can and can't do, when we are all either immigrants ourselves, or come from families who were once immigrants to Canada, minus natives/inuit?

If people want to toss out that kind of thinking, then you might as well toss out Christmas, Hanukkah, St. Patricks Day, Halloween, Valentine's Day, Easter, and everything else except Canada Day..... let's ban gay pride parades, highland games, and everything else that doesn't directly tie with Canada.

And while we're at it, let's also tear down not just all the mosques in the nation, but all the churches & synagogues.....

The point being is that Canada, much like many other nations, were and are built on multiculturalism and different religions. Our nation is a frankenstein identity made by parts from other nations...... and multiculturalism can work, so long as everybody abides to the existing laws and rules currently in place that are for all. Freedom for your personal beliefs, religion, cultural history and practices stop at our laws and our charter of rights.

Once you bend the rules for one group, you have to bend them for everybody..... if you bend it for one group and not others, or just simply bend them for everybody, then that's when multiculturalism fails.

Nobody needs to stop immigration of one group or another, nor does anybody have to start kicking people out..... you just need to beat it into every immigrant's head what rules and laws we have in this nation, ensure they abide by them & accept them and that's that...... if they can't, then they don't qualify to enter the nation, it's as simple as that & doesn't need to be anymore complicated than that.

The same thing goes for those already in the country.... immigrants and those born here. The rules and laws apply to everybody.
 

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Probably because it's an eastern Liberal issue.
Easterners don't like to criticize Liberal policies!!

Yes, somehow immigration, huge massive immigration from Asia and Africa, has become the good fight, doing the right thing. And people didn't even get to vote on this policy. The numbers just got upped, it just happened, and so many fall in line. Deferential Canadians I suppose.

Indeed, and is pretty much what I just said. Every single country, including Canada, attempts to influence other nations for their own best interests, so trying to play Canada as the poor victim of being influenced by other nations is a little silly.... or perhaps knowingly bias in perspective.

In regards to immigrants coming into the country and possibly bringing their "Baggage" with them, or even their heritage, why does any single person in here think they're justified in finger pointing and telling other people what they can and can't do, when we are all either immigrants ourselves, or come from families who were once immigrants to Canada, minus natives/inuit?

If people want to toss out that kind of thinking, then you might as well toss out Christmas, Hanukkah, St. Patricks Day, Halloween, Valentine's Day, Easter, and everything else except Canada Day..... let's ban gay pride parades, highland games, and everything else that doesn't directly tie with Canada.

And while we're at it, let's also tear down not just all the mosques in the nation, but all the churches & synagogues.....

The point being is that Canada, much like many other nations, were and are built on multiculturalism and different religions. Our nation is a frankenstein identity made by parts from other nations...... and multiculturalism can work, so long as everybody abides to the existing laws and rules currently in place that are for all. Freedom for your personal beliefs, religion, cultural history and practices stop at our laws and our charter of rights.

Once you bend the rules for one group, you have to bend them for everybody..... if you bend it for one group and not others, or just simply bend them for everybody, then that's when multiculturalism fails.

Nobody needs to stop immigration of one group or another, nor does anybody have to start kicking people out..... you just need to beat it into every immigrant's head what rules and laws we have in this nation, ensure they abide by them & accept them and that's that...... if they can't, then they don't qualify to enter the nation, it's as simple as that & doesn't need to be anymore complicated than that.

The same thing goes for those already in the country.... immigrants and those born here. The rules and laws apply to everybody.

You see, India does not have a million people of Indian descent in China, Mexico, France or Austrailia. They are here. The govt of India can find ways to mobilize people from "their culture" who now reside in Canada. People can do what they want, buy satellite dishes, read on the web, but foreign govts have to be kept at arm's length for the good of the country.

Says here, from an academic at Columbia University, that in the late 1990s, the Polish American lobby influenced the USA in bringing Poland into NATO, it is something Russia did not want. They adequately lobbied Congress, and succeeded in part by mounting a major letter writing campaign to politcians and the media to encourage NATO enlargement. And it worked.

Many think this was not good for the west as it made Russia feel more insecure and contributed to the rise of a KGB agent becoming head of Russia, Putin.

I recommend we sharply reduce immigration.

http://www.ceri-sciencespo.com/archive/march04/artjm.pdf
 

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Probably because it's an eastern Liberal issue.
Easterners don't like to criticize Liberal policies!!

Yes, somehow immigration, huge massive immigration from Asia and Africa, has become the good fight, doing the right thing. And people didn't even get to vote on this policy. The numbers just got upped, it just happened, and so many fall in line. Deferential Canadians I suppose.



The numbers got upped? But how is that possible? It's a Conservative majority, with a leader who's riding is in....wait for it........ Western Canada. How can this be????????
 

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The numbers got upped? But how is that possible? It's a Conservative majority, with a leader who's riding is in....wait for it........ Western Canada. How can this be????????

Well, you see, the elites of both parties agreed on the upped immigration policy numbers. That's good enough for Canada. No surveys, little discussion, and then presto, a new immigration policy.

So you're saying Brian Mulroney was born in western Canada? BM was born in Quebec.
 

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Well, you see, the elites of both parties agreed on the upped immigration policy numbers. That's good enough for Canada. No surveys, little discussion, and then presto, a new immigration policy.

So you're saying Brian Mulroney was born in western Canada? BM was born in Quebec.
Have you been asleep for the past twenty years? I believe Gerryh is talking about Harper.