Bogus aboriginal tobacco rights promoted by afn

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An inherent and treaty right to sell cigarettes? I don't think so. The provinces and Ottawa should step up their enforcement on this illegal trade and really crack down.

Let's all be traditional as we drive our big rigs, watch our HDTVs and use the internet. I don't think so.

Theoretically, if this is a "traditional" right, then only traditional means ought to be used to exercise it, like walking, and using canoes, you know, just like it was done traditionally, centuries ago. Indians, if they sell tobacoo or any other product, must follow the same laws everyone else must follow, the same laws I must follow. It's called equality, something traditional peoples are not familiar with. They can't have their bogus tradtional cake.


AFN joins tobacco battle | APTN National News

AFN joins tobacco battle


(Rainbow Tobacco president Robbie Dickson watches as the Assembly of First Nations debates resolutions. APTN/Photo)
APTN National News

MONCTON, NB–The Assembly of First Nations has joined the battle over First Nations cigarettes after chiefs passed a resolution directing national Chief Shawn Atleo to press Ottawa and the provinces to back off attempts to regulate the tobacco trade between communities.

The resolution, which passed easily with no opposition Thursday, aimed to reaffirm the position that tobacco use is an Aboriginal right protected by the Constitution and First Nations have a right to move tobacco across provincial boundaries without paying provincial taxes.

“Provincial governments have chosen to disregard and disrespect our inherent and Treaty rights by enacting legislation which attempts to regulate and limit our access to tobacco…negatively impacting our ability to maintain our cultures and practices,” said the resolution.

The resolution also called on Atleo to extract federal recognition of First Nations jurisdiction over tobacco.
“First Nations (have an) inherent right to trade within and between nations as pursued since time immemorial, including the right to acquire, possess, store, transport, handle, trade or retain First Nation-manufactured products, in particular tobacco products, without restriction as to quantity or proposed or actual use or disposition,” the resolution said.

Atleo told APTN he believed in the right of First Nations to trade amongst themselves without provincial interference.
The president of a tobacco company based out of the Mohawk community of Kahnawake in Quebec urged the chiefs to turn the issue into a political one about sovereignty and rights.

“It is an issue we cannot ignore anymore, it has to be brought to the forefront of Aboriginal issues,” said Robbie Dickson, president of Rainbow Tobacco, a federally licensed cigarette manufacturer.

Dickson is facing provincial charges for importing and selling Rainbow Tobacco cigarettes in Alberta without paying the province’s tobacco taxes.

Dickson said his company believes it has the Aboriginal right to transport cigarettes between communities across the country.
The RCMP and Alberta’s Gaming and Liquor Commission raided the Montana First Nation last winter and seized millions of Rainbow cigarettes destined for distribution throughout Alberta, British Columbia and Saskatchewan.

Montana First Nation Chief Carolyn Buffalo was also charged. Buffalo was present when the resolution hit the floor, but said she couldn’t comment because of her charges.

Buffalo has said she had decided to get her community involved with Rainbow Tobacco to spur economic growth.
The tobacco industry in communities like Kahnawake and Akwesasne has largely allowed those communities to escape the grinding poverty faced by many reserves.

Little Black Bear First Nation Chief Perry Bellegarde said First Nations needed to pass their own tobacco laws and use them as a shield whenever authorities attempt to stop tobacco sales on reserves.

“Each and every one of our First Nations should develop their own laws and occupy the field so when you do get charged and go to court you have something in place,” said Bellegarde, whose community is in Saskatchewan. “It’s First Nations legislation that is going to save us and take us down the road to economic prosperity.”

One Wednesday morning, RCMP and Alberta authorities raided a gas bar on Sturgeon Lake First Nation. The owner of the gas bar was charged for selling Rainbow Tobacco cigarettes.

Gas bar owner Duane Kiyawasew, 54, said an undercover agent bought a pack of Rainbow-made cigarettes from his 15 year-old granddaughter who was minding the till.

Kiyawasew said he makes a point of only selling to First Nations people, but his granddaughter made a mistake.

“They charged me because I have Deerfield and Wolfpack cigarettes,” he said. “They were after the Rainbow Tobacco cigarettes.”
Kyawasew said he pays provincial taxes up front to Alberta before selling

Big Tobacco smokes and then submits a claim to get reimbursed for the cigarettes sold to First Nations people with the “Alberta Indian tax exemption” card.
“I have to discriminate against all the other Indians in the other nine provinces of Canada,” he said.
Kyawasew said he has no plans to stop selling Rainbow Tobacco cigarettes which he doesn’t have to pay provincial taxes up front to buy. He also believes First Nations have a right to sell their own cigarettes to each other without having to pay provincial tax.
“You don’t need your card to buy Deerfields,” he said.
 

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An inherent and treaty right to sell cigarettes? I don't think so. The provinces and Ottawa should step up their enforcement on this illegal trade and really crack down.

Let's all be traditional as we drive our big rigs, watch our HDTVs and use the internet. I don't think so.

Theoretically, if this is a "traditional" right, then only traditional means ought to be used to exercise it, like walking, and using canoes, you know, just like it was done traditionally, centuries ago. Indians, if they sell tobacoo or any other product, must follow the same laws everyone else must follow, the same laws I must follow. It's called equality, something traditional peoples are not familiar with. They can't have their bogus tradtional cake.
You sound funny, when you rant like a jealous little kid...

The Assembly of First Nations has joined the battle over First Nations cigarettes after chiefs passed a resolution directing national Chief Shawn Atleo to press Ottawa and the provinces to back off attempts to regulate the tobacco trade between communities.
What part of 'between communities' didn't you grasp?
 

CDNBear

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Mail some to my community. I can rent a mailbox at a rez gas station.
The point is, the gov'ts are trying to regulate inter NATIVE community trade, rez to rez.

That is protected by Treaty, in which tobacco is mentioned specifically.

And since the gov'ts chose to make the Treaties living documents when it suited their interests, the SCC saw fit to grant the First nations the same privilege.

Now you have people like dump, that get their balls in a tight knot, because the tables get turned. While he enjoys the benefits afforded non Natives, because of those living documents.
 

petros

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Raw tobacco for a funeral is far better than being buried with a couple of Players bales with tax stamps. That's just not right.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Personally I find it satisfactorily and amusingly ironic that aboriginal people are making money from the colonists' bad habits. Tobacco, gambling... now if they could just get into the liquor trade so I could buy my favourite 12-year old single malts for $10 or $20, I think that'd be a brilliantly satisfying irony.
 

petros

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Personally I find it satisfactorily and amusingly ironic that aboriginal people are making money from the colonists bad habits. Tobacco, gambling... now if they could just get into the liquor trade so I could buy my favourite 12-year old single malts for $10 or $20, I think that'd be a brilliantly satisfying irony.
I rarely drink but I really enjoyed myself on a tour of Oban. I found that pubs are merely more than just places to drink. They are to keep dry as you make you way across Scotland or anywhere in the UK.
 

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Personally I find it satisfactorily and amusingly ironic that aboriginal people are making money from the colonists' bad habits. Tobacco, gambling... now if they could just get into the liquor trade so I could buy my favourite 12-year old single malts for $10 or $20, I think that'd be a brilliantly satisfying irony.
Dex, I wish I could agree with you, 100%, but I can't...

I will admit that I do take a little sick pleasure in it, but the element of criminality that goes along with the contraband trade, brings with it, more then just a bad rap.
 

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If tobacco was just traded rez to rez probably no one would mind, assuming they even knew about it. But when it is sold on the open market right next to the ceremonial food fish caught with seine boats and fresh poached non indigenous elk shot with a high powered rifle with flashlight attached that people start getting a little testy.
 

CDNBear

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If tobacco was just traded rez to rez probably no one would mind, assuming they even knew about it. But when it is sold on the open market right next to the ceremonial food fish caught with seine boats and fresh poached non indigenous elk shot with a high powered rifle with flashlight attached that people start getting a little testy.
I agree.

But you do realise it's against the law to deny service or sale to someone on the grounds of race, don't you?
 

petros

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Dex, I wish I could agree with you, 100%, but I can't...

I will admit that I do take a little sick pleasure in it, but the element of criminality that goes along with the contraband trade, brings with it, more then just a bad rap.
Perhaps is time to get that one native Tory to put a back bencher bill to help create a First Nations Trade Act and why not even as NAFTA version?

Mandan is still the biggest International Pow Wow and trade gathering. You can buy (or trade) some really coooool stuff there I tells ya.