The creep factor

Retired_Can_Soldier

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When my kids lived at home we used to have a tradition that fell on every Friday, night where we would get together and watch movies. It was our version of family night. Little secret, everyone in the Preston brood are big fans of the film genre. As the kids grew they discovered cooler things than sitting home with us and eventually my wife and I were left to watch alone.
Before that, back in 2002 we rented a video from the local Blockbuster and brought it home to watch. The movie was from a relative unknown, at least I'd never heard of him, although I would later discover that I had had recently watched another film by him that I was lukewarm on. That was film was called: POWDER. This movie was something a little darker and the trailer lent itself to that terrifying moment we all dread when out on the road. Picture, if you will, you are driving cross country in unknown territory and you see someone dump what you think is a body down a drain pipe. Then as you roll by in shock you see that dark figure staring directly at you. It is the stuff that invades our dreams and morphs into a full fledged nightmare. This ethereal specter of horror causes one's pulse to race, raises anxiety and claustrophobia begins to close in. We've all had this nightmare in one form or another, all felt that helplessness when you just can't wake and the dark figure now knows who you are and there's nowhere to run.

The film was called: JEEPERS CREEPERS and to be very honest, I figured that the trailer was going to be the highlight. That is often the case with films such as this. We get the best part of the movie in the preview and then when we see the actual film it is a resounding disappointment. Nonetheless, I'm a sucker for a good trailer and I always hold out hope for real surprise and that is exactly what I got in Jeepers Creepers. Once in awhile a gem like this comes along and usually it is when you least expect it. I remember picking up and putting down the box for the original THE HITCHER, and then there was a film I passed over for almost six moths which reunited a number of cast members from the movie ALIENS. That film was NEAR DARK and it was a treat to watch.
However, I digress, because I'm doing something that is very easy when discussing something I'm passionate about and this really isn't the intent of this post. What I really want to discuss is separating the art from the actual artist. You see, what I didn't know about the film Jeepers Creepers was that its obviously talented director had a criminal record. During the filming of his first feature film director Victor Salva molested the lead actor on the set while filming the act The lead actor was Nathan Forrest Winters and he was only 12 years old. Salva was 29 years old at the time, and after being charged he plead guilty to having one count of oral sex with a person under 14, three counts of procuring child pornography and one count of lewd and lascivious conduct. He was sentenced to three years, but only served 15 months before making parole. After he was paroled, Salva did odd jobs and found his way back to the screen with financing from powerhouse director/producer Francis Ford Coppola. Coppola discovered Salva and gave him the financing to make Clownhouse. When I did a bit of research on this blog I was surprised by Coppola's remarks regarding the molestation.
"Someone had launched a campaign against Victor, saying, 'How can you give this guy a movie to make?' " recalls Coppola… “So I helped Victor get the job… My attitude is, he has a talent, and that talent in itself is good. We don't have to embrace the person in believing that their art is a contribution to society."

Personally, it changed my view on Salva completely. People make mistakes, but child molestation or crimes such as rape or murder? From my point of view Victor Salva could have robbed a bank, been a heroin addict, even embezzled money and I would be apt to give him a second chance, but the crime for which he was convicted was so heinous I just can't seem to get past that. Even if he claims to be rehabilitated I am left with the feeling that I am putting money into the pocket of a child molester if I support his art.

Director Roman Polanski was arrested for raping a 13 year old in 1977

And of course Salva is not the only director to get himself into a mess when it comes to child molestation. In 1977 Roman Polanski molested a 13 year old girl and fled the United States to avoid prosecution. Polanski would continue to make a number of movies and received a lot of support from high profile actors and fellow directors. Whoopi Goldberg came out in defense of Polanski when discussing his arrest in Switzerland and whether he should be extradited and tried.
Whoopi Goldberg: "I know it wasn't rape-rape. It was something else but I don't believe it was rape-rape. He went to jail and and when they let him out he was like "You know what this guy's going to give me a hundred years in jail I'm not staying, so that's why he left."
Polanski was eventually released after the Swiss government refused to extradite him back to the U.S. where is still facing charges. What is absolutely perplexing is the amount of celebrities who have signed a petition to have him pardoned for the crime so that he can return to the United States and get on with his life. Their indifference to the victim in this case is mind boggling. How can someone blow off the molestation of a child? Coppola's assertion that Salva was being victimized or Goldberg's "rape-rape" comments are completely off base for a demographic that loves to get up on its high horse about a myriad of social issues.
Woody Allen, Mia Farrow and far right Farrow's adopted daughter Soon-Yi Previna

Woody Allen has been accused, but not charged, of molesting his adopted daughter Dylan Farrow. She contends that Allen molested her when she was a mere 7-years-old. While no charges have been laid, her accusations are compelling given that Allen married Soon-Yi Previna (19) who was then wife Mia Farrow's adopted daughter. Allen was 56 at the time. What ensued was very ugly custody battle and media frenzy. But Allen was neither shunned or scolded by his fellow celebrities and Farrow seemed to be painted as bad one.
Fifteen years later, Allen, 75, in an interview with Reuters said, "What was the scandal? I fell in love with this girl, married her. We have been married for almost 15 years now." He also added, "There was no scandal, but people refer to it all the time as a scandal and I kind of like that in way because when I go I would like to say I had one real juicy scandal in my life."
In this latest allegation a parade of celebrities have come out in support of Allen. This is a stark contrast to celebrities who might be shunned for uttering a ethnic/racial slur [Mel Gibson] or a homophobic insult [Alec Baldwin]. The celebrity who steps over that line may find themselves permanently branded with a scarlet letter from their fellow artists.
Getting back to Victor Salva, I actually watched one of his latest films, Dark House, which I didn't realize was a Salva film until after I watched it. I should have saved my money. It sucked. But aside from the fact that he never quite rebounded after the success of Jeepers Creepers, I am left wondering if he should.
"I pled guilty to a terrible crime, and I've spent the rest of my life trying to make up for it. For almost 20 years, I've been involved with helping others, I've been in therapy, and I've made movies. But I paid my debt to society and apologized to the young man. And all I can hope is that people will give me a chance to redeem myself."


Victor Salva at time of arrest
Perhaps Salva has spent his life trying to make amends for that one mistake, but if he was a police officer, a catholic priest or a teacher, would he be given a second chance? Of course not, and given the scope of the crime he shouldn't. Perhaps this is the type of crime that some celebrities will never understand until they are victims themselves. I would not wish this on anyone, but certainly it would be nice if these high profile millionaires could put themselves in the shoes of the victim instead of using art to excuse the actions of the accused or convicted.


That's it for me.
Mark
 

petros

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Jeepers Creepers!

You've opened up something uglier than a can of smashed asssholes. Behavioural Rehabilitation.

Do you believe somebody can change?

I'm on the fence on whether it is truly possible without a lifetime of effort of the person and societal support.
 

spaminator

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I wouldn't want to spend money on cds, dvds, collectibles, etc. that involve criminals.
 

SLM

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Jeepers Creepers!

You've opened up something uglier than a can of smashed asssholes. Behavioural Rehabilitation.

Do you believe somebody can change?

I'm on the fence on whether it is truly possible without a lifetime of effort of the person and societal support.

I think the capacity for change is a real thing, I'm not sure about others but I've certainly seen and/or heard of individuals who've truly done a 180 and turned around some really horrendous lives. But that kind of real change is exceptionally hard to do, more people try and fail than succeed, I'm sure of it. As far as providing support for someone to change, I think it comes down to the risk inherent in trust. Based on what it is that they're trying to change, is the trust that's necessary in order to substantially provide support worth the risk of them not being able to make the change? Personally I think the risk of harm is too great, attempting to trust someone who has proven past behaviours like rape or molestation just goes against the very fiber of my being. So maybe people can change but most often I think it's doomed from the start.

As far as supporting the art, supporting the artist.....I think what they do taints what they've done. I know I have a difficult time watching Mel Gibson in a movie, even an older film that I've enjoyed in the past. And really what he's done is fairly benign when compared with something like child molestion/rape. Creativity and art are, to me, deeply personal things and when an artist creates he/she imbues the finished piece, be it literature, film, painting, etc, with a piece of his or her self. So that, in effect, taints the finished product for me.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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I find the support of the individuals very tough to accept and those who go against the grain and speak out might find themselves shut out by the entertainment community.
 

Twila

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Breach of trust with children is unacceptable.

Statutory might be different depending on the ages of those involved. 20yrs gap in age is unacceptable. 5-10yrs might be ok depending on the emotional intellectual level of the one being charged.

Why famous people would come out in support of friends who are famous and molesters I can't fathom. They should have support Mel Gibson and Alec Baldwin and the Seinfeld guy OVER the molesters. Children are going to run our futures. We ought to make sure they are as sound of mind as can possibly be.
 

shadowshiv

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Whoopi Goldberg: "I know it wasn't rape-rape. It was something else but I don't believe it was rape-rape. He went to jail and and when they let him out he was like "You know what this guy's going to give me a hundred years in jail I'm not staying, so that's why he left."

WTF was Whoopi smoking when she said that? Rape is rape period. There aren't various degrees of rape. You either rape someone or you don't rape them. Cripes!:roll: