| View Poll Results: Should Quebec separate, what course should the Maritime provinces and NFLD & Lab follow? | |||
| Remain a part of Canada, geographically separate from the rest of the country. |    | 36 | 67.92% |
| Apply for statehood in the United States. |    | 7 | 13.21% |
| Form own independent and sovereign nation(s), either individually or collectively. |    | 10 | 18.87% |
| Voters: 53. You may not vote on this poll | |||
Super Genius
Posts: 1,135 
Location: Montreal
Location: Montreal
February 14th, 2008, 04:56 PM
Hello, LouisMcleod. I'm a Quebecer of Irish ancestry and like you, I have much sympathy for the independance cause... However, I would think it highly unlikely that the Maritimes would want to join Quebec in seperating from Canada.
A good compromise would be if Canada decentralized itself significantly and accept that unity is possible through strong provincial autonomy and without federal bullying. From that point on, Quebec and the maritimes would indeed have much to cooperate on because of their common heritage.
Hello, LouisMcleod. I'm a Quebecer of Irish ancestry and like you, I have much sympathy for the independance cause... However, I would think it highly unlikely that the Maritimes would want to join Quebec in seperating from Canada.
A good compromise would be if Canada decentralized itself significantly and accept that unity is possible through strong provincial autonomy and without federal bullying. From that point on, Quebec and the maritimes would indeed have much to cooperate on because of their common heritage.
Newbie
Posts: 23
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
April 9th, 2008, 08:29 PM
Hello! I'm from Western Canada and I don't even pretend to know all of the issues
involved with Quebec separation, but I do have some questions that I hope some
informed person can answer for me. Many of us in the West of Canada may not
know much about the reasons that Quebec wants to separate, as we usually
only hear about the scandals and inquiries, the threats to separate and the volume
of the Equalization Payments that Quebec receives. I'm sure we receive a biased
and slanted view of things, and there are always at least two sides to every story,
but what's the other side? Other than biting the hand that feeds them, why would
Quebec even want to separate from Canada? Aside from holding the rest of
Canada hostage with their threats of separation, and ensuring the very real potential
of continuous minority Federal Governments to continue to hold Canada hostage
(and very tasty Maple syrup) what's the downside to Quebec becoming its own
sovereign nation for the rest of the Canadians that want to be Canadians, and are
proud to be Canadians?
If Quebec separates from Canada, do they leave with only the territory that
they came in with? That would leave the northern half (at least) of what is now
called Quebec as a part of Canada, leaving many of the Aboriginals on those
Reservations still inside of Canada and therefore the Treaties would still be in
effect? That would also leave many of the rivers that flow across Quebec in the
country of Canada, ready to be dammed for Hydro-Electric power to be utilized
or sold in whatever manner Canada chooses? If this is the case, could not a
super-highway be built (in Canada) from Ontario to the north of the Quebec Sovereign
Nation to the Maritimes? Would Quebec would look similar to what was once
known as "Upper Canada" but excluding the Ontario portion?
If Quebec separates from Canada, could the rest of Canada drop French as this
official second language, simplifying everything from Drivers Daily Logs, to every
government form, labeling on every food item, and so on and so forth?
Would trade not continue between Eastern & Western Canada via that super-highway
north of a much smaller Quebec Sovereign Nation, and the St. Lawrence Seaway, and
through an in-bond system across the North-Eastern U.S. states?
If Quebec separates from Canada, wouldn't the removal of their vote (their # of seats) in
Parliament greatly increase the voices of the Maritimes and Western Canada making an
elected Federal Government something the majority of Canadians elect, and not just
something elected by Ontario & Quebec with the rest of us just along for the ride? The
Equalization payments would then have to go Canadian Provinces that want to be
Canadian Provinces so that everyone can have a better life, and not just as monstrous
and continual bribery to prop up Quebec and keep it in Canada? Couldn't much of whatever
manufacturing that is coming out of Quebec to the rest of Canada, be done in many of the
plants in Ontario that are currently having issues due to the soft American market, with
the customers being Canada, the USA, and Quebec? Much of the monies that Quebec is
currently receiving in Equalization payments can therefore go to Ontario and the Maritimes,
and the Western Provinces can just stop hearing Quebec threaten to separate from
Canada.
If Quebec separates from Canada, does it forfeit everything it's population has contributed
to the Canadian Pension Plan? The Sovereign Nation of Quebec will get to bail out Bombardier
the next time it tanks, just like the Canadian taxpayers have done so many times already!
Would their currency have Stephon Dion on the bills, or that inflatable Michelin-Man looking
mascot thing? I'm sure, for a fee, that Canada can print the new currency for Quebec in the
National Mint in Winnipeg, as Canada already prints the currency for many other countries.
If Quebec separates from Canada, I can see the downfall for Quebec, but not for the rest of
Canada....can some informed person please enlighten me?
If Quebec separates from Canada, I sure would miss Maple syrup, but I'll get over it.
Hello! I'm from Western Canada and I don't even pretend to know all of the issues
involved with Quebec separation, but I do have some questions that I hope some
informed person can answer for me. Many of us in the West of Canada may not
know much about the reasons that Quebec wants to separate, as we usually
only hear about the scandals and inquiries, the threats to separate and the volume
of the Equalization Payments that Quebec receives. I'm sure we receive a biased
and slanted view of things, and there are always at least two sides to every story,
but what's the other side? Other than biting the hand that feeds them, why would
Quebec even want to separate from Canada? Aside from holding the rest of
Canada hostage with their threats of separation, and ensuring the very real potential
of continuous minority Federal Governments to continue to hold Canada hostage
(and very tasty Maple syrup) what's the downside to Quebec becoming its own
sovereign nation for the rest of the Canadians that want to be Canadians, and are
proud to be Canadians?
If Quebec separates from Canada, do they leave with only the territory that
they came in with? That would leave the northern half (at least) of what is now
called Quebec as a part of Canada, leaving many of the Aboriginals on those
Reservations still inside of Canada and therefore the Treaties would still be in
effect? That would also leave many of the rivers that flow across Quebec in the
country of Canada, ready to be dammed for Hydro-Electric power to be utilized
or sold in whatever manner Canada chooses? If this is the case, could not a
super-highway be built (in Canada) from Ontario to the north of the Quebec Sovereign
Nation to the Maritimes? Would Quebec would look similar to what was once
known as "Upper Canada" but excluding the Ontario portion?
If Quebec separates from Canada, could the rest of Canada drop French as this
official second language, simplifying everything from Drivers Daily Logs, to every
government form, labeling on every food item, and so on and so forth?
Would trade not continue between Eastern & Western Canada via that super-highway
north of a much smaller Quebec Sovereign Nation, and the St. Lawrence Seaway, and
through an in-bond system across the North-Eastern U.S. states?
If Quebec separates from Canada, wouldn't the removal of their vote (their # of seats) in
Parliament greatly increase the voices of the Maritimes and Western Canada making an
elected Federal Government something the majority of Canadians elect, and not just
something elected by Ontario & Quebec with the rest of us just along for the ride? The
Equalization payments would then have to go Canadian Provinces that want to be
Canadian Provinces so that everyone can have a better life, and not just as monstrous
and continual bribery to prop up Quebec and keep it in Canada? Couldn't much of whatever
manufacturing that is coming out of Quebec to the rest of Canada, be done in many of the
plants in Ontario that are currently having issues due to the soft American market, with
the customers being Canada, the USA, and Quebec? Much of the monies that Quebec is
currently receiving in Equalization payments can therefore go to Ontario and the Maritimes,
and the Western Provinces can just stop hearing Quebec threaten to separate from
Canada.
If Quebec separates from Canada, does it forfeit everything it's population has contributed
to the Canadian Pension Plan? The Sovereign Nation of Quebec will get to bail out Bombardier
the next time it tanks, just like the Canadian taxpayers have done so many times already!
Would their currency have Stephon Dion on the bills, or that inflatable Michelin-Man looking
mascot thing? I'm sure, for a fee, that Canada can print the new currency for Quebec in the
National Mint in Winnipeg, as Canada already prints the currency for many other countries.
If Quebec separates from Canada, I can see the downfall for Quebec, but not for the rest of
Canada....can some informed person please enlighten me?
If Quebec separates from Canada, I sure would miss Maple syrup, but I'll get over it.
Jerk Extraordinaire
Posts: 2,950 
Location: Atlantic Canada
Location: Atlantic Canada
April 10th, 2008, 08:47 AM
Well whoopie doo... there's people in Cape Breton who still speak Gaelic, throw them a parade! How about Newfoundland? They're a pretty damn unique society all on their own with their own language too that most in Canada can't understand easily..... LET THEM EAT CAKE!
I dunno... I have no clue why they're so whiney. Actually from what I gather, it is only a select minority of Quebec who want to seperate, but then again.... that's media for ya.
I'd then pull all our military, all our funding, power that passes over provincial borders, and so on.... I would cut everything. They would have to quickly make their own government, form their own military, buy equipment for that military, make or adopt their own currency.... quite honestly they'd be screwed for the first couple of years and most likely they would have people on the streets looking for blood for the idiot who thought up the plan to seperate in the first place and then they'd be wanting back into Canada.
It ain't perfect, but it could be worse.
But another big problem that would occur, is that if Quebec seperates or even starts to bring it up in a big way, both the US, Russia and a few other countries are right on their toes waiting for a chance to take some new available territory in the artic for their precious passage ways or newly discovered oil hot spots.
..... only for it to be replaced by Chinese or Urdu.
Ever since Canada moved out west from here to build across the rockies and the plains.... all the money and funding went with it. the maritimes were a rich area once apon a time and we've gotten poorer and poorer ever since.
Seems like joining with Canada was a mistake sometimes. But I only get pissy when I think about it. Most days I just ignore the problems around here.
Joining the UK would be the only real logical solution.
But in a nut shell Canada knows Quebec won't seperate and Quebec knows Canada won't allow them to seperate, so it'll just continue to be a political soap opera for years to come.
Quoting Ron in Regina
Well I'm in Nova Scotia and I don't even know wtf they want or why they keep moaning about seperating. I just think they're attention who'ars who like to play the running away card in order to get more out of the government then the rest of the country all because they think they're more special because they speak french. Hello! I'm from Western Canada and I don't even pretend to know all of the issues involved with Quebec separation, but I do have some questions that I hope some
informed person can answer for me. Many of us in the West of Canada may not
know much about the reasons that Quebec wants to separate, as we usually
only hear about the scandals and inquiries, the threats to separate and the volume
of the Equalization Payments that Quebec receives.
informed person can answer for me. Many of us in the West of Canada may not
know much about the reasons that Quebec wants to separate, as we usually
only hear about the scandals and inquiries, the threats to separate and the volume
of the Equalization Payments that Quebec receives.
Well whoopie doo... there's people in Cape Breton who still speak Gaelic, throw them a parade! How about Newfoundland? They're a pretty damn unique society all on their own with their own language too that most in Canada can't understand easily..... LET THEM EAT CAKE!
I dunno... I have no clue why they're so whiney. Actually from what I gather, it is only a select minority of Quebec who want to seperate, but then again.... that's media for ya.
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I'm sure we receive a biased
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The downsides would be more in Quebec's favor, as Canada is already a situated country known in the world. If I were running things and Quebec was threatening to pull out, I'd tell them to take off eh! and slanted view of things, and there are always at least two sides to every story, but what's the other side? Other than biting the hand that feeds them, why would Quebec even want to separate from Canada? Aside from holding the rest of
Canada hostage with their threats of separation, and ensuring the very real potential
of continuous minority Federal Governments to continue to hold Canada hostage
(and very tasty Maple syrup) what's the downside to Quebec becoming its own
sovereign nation for the rest of the Canadians that want to be Canadians, and are
proud to be Canadians?
Canada hostage with their threats of separation, and ensuring the very real potential
of continuous minority Federal Governments to continue to hold Canada hostage
(and very tasty Maple syrup) what's the downside to Quebec becoming its own
sovereign nation for the rest of the Canadians that want to be Canadians, and are
proud to be Canadians?
I'd then pull all our military, all our funding, power that passes over provincial borders, and so on.... I would cut everything. They would have to quickly make their own government, form their own military, buy equipment for that military, make or adopt their own currency.... quite honestly they'd be screwed for the first couple of years and most likely they would have people on the streets looking for blood for the idiot who thought up the plan to seperate in the first place and then they'd be wanting back into Canada.
It ain't perfect, but it could be worse.
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If Quebec separates from Canada, do they leave with only the territory that
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One problem and an advantage Quebec would hold over canada would be the ability to cut and reduce travel and trade between western canada and the atlantic, and while the US has ocean to play around in for getting to their two states off shore, Canada wouldn't have that luxury.... and this is where the idea of what the hell us in the Atlantic would do comes into play. they came in with? That would leave the northern half (at least) of what is now
called Quebec as a part of Canada, leaving many of the Aboriginals on those
Reservations still inside of Canada and therefore the Treaties would still be in
effect? That would also leave many of the rivers that flow across Quebec in the
country of Canada, ready to be dammed for Hydro-Electric power to be utilized
or sold in whatever manner Canada chooses? If this is the case, could not a
super-highway be built (in Canada) from Ontario to the north of the Quebec Sovereign
Nation to the Maritimes? Would Quebec would look similar to what was once
known as "Upper Canada" but excluding the Ontario portion?
called Quebec as a part of Canada, leaving many of the Aboriginals on those
Reservations still inside of Canada and therefore the Treaties would still be in
effect? That would also leave many of the rivers that flow across Quebec in the
country of Canada, ready to be dammed for Hydro-Electric power to be utilized
or sold in whatever manner Canada chooses? If this is the case, could not a
super-highway be built (in Canada) from Ontario to the north of the Quebec Sovereign
Nation to the Maritimes? Would Quebec would look similar to what was once
known as "Upper Canada" but excluding the Ontario portion?
But another big problem that would occur, is that if Quebec seperates or even starts to bring it up in a big way, both the US, Russia and a few other countries are right on their toes waiting for a chance to take some new available territory in the artic for their precious passage ways or newly discovered oil hot spots.
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If Quebec separates from Canada, could the rest of Canada drop French as this
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Most likely that would occur...... official second language, simplifying everything from Drivers Daily Logs, to every
government form, labeling on every food item, and so on and so forth?
government form, labeling on every food item, and so on and so forth?
..... only for it to be replaced by Chinese or Urdu.
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Would trade not continue between Eastern & Western Canada via that super-highway
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Most likely with a pile of tarrifs and duties to pass through their country to do so, and they might even find a way to restrict the air space above them to make it even more harder for east and west to connect. That to me is Quebec's only playing card.... to D*ck over Canada for more money. north of a much smaller Quebec Sovereign Nation, and the St. Lawrence Seaway, and
through an in-bond system across the North-Eastern U.S. states?
through an in-bond system across the North-Eastern U.S. states?
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If Quebec separates from Canada, wouldn't the removal of their vote (their # of seats) in
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Naw, they're probably just remove those seats to keep things the same. They're jerks like that. Parliament greatly increase the voices of the Maritimes and Western Canada making an
elected Federal Government something the majority of Canadians elect, and not just
something elected by Ontario & Quebec with the rest of us just along for the ride?
elected Federal Government something the majority of Canadians elect, and not just
something elected by Ontario & Quebec with the rest of us just along for the ride?
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Yeah but us here in the maritimes will still be dubbed the unemployment moochers of the country and most of all that extra money will go right back into Ontario like it always does. I've always figured that we're not getting enough jobs as it currently stands and our premieres are constantly screwing us over with crap ass deals with the federal government (The oil for example.... Newfoundland's premiere is pretty PO'd over it.) Maybe we should also say screw it with Canada and then just join back with the UK.... start trading with them and bring them back their old skool ports they once had in the Americas... get some jobs back here for once. Equalization payments would then have to go Canadian Provinces that want to be
Canadian Provinces so that everyone can have a better life, and not just as monstrous
and continual bribery to prop up Quebec and keep it in Canada? Couldn't much of whatever
manufacturing that is coming out of Quebec to the rest of Canada, be done in many of the
plants in Ontario that are currently having issues due to the soft American market, with
the customers being Canada, the USA, and Quebec? Much of the monies that Quebec is
currently receiving in Equalization payments can therefore go to Ontario and the Maritimes,
and the Western Provinces can just stop hearing Quebec threaten to separate from
Canada.
Canadian Provinces so that everyone can have a better life, and not just as monstrous
and continual bribery to prop up Quebec and keep it in Canada? Couldn't much of whatever
manufacturing that is coming out of Quebec to the rest of Canada, be done in many of the
plants in Ontario that are currently having issues due to the soft American market, with
the customers being Canada, the USA, and Quebec? Much of the monies that Quebec is
currently receiving in Equalization payments can therefore go to Ontario and the Maritimes,
and the Western Provinces can just stop hearing Quebec threaten to separate from
Canada.
Ever since Canada moved out west from here to build across the rockies and the plains.... all the money and funding went with it. the maritimes were a rich area once apon a time and we've gotten poorer and poorer ever since.
Seems like joining with Canada was a mistake sometimes. But I only get pissy when I think about it. Most days I just ignore the problems around here.
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If Quebec separates from Canada, does it forfeit everything it's population has contributed
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Hmmmm..... That would be funny, lol. to the Canadian Pension Plan?
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The Sovereign Nation of Quebec will get to bail out Bombardier
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Well I don't claim to be very informed about it myself, but I remember when I was a wee lad when Quebec was doing the whole seperatist thing in the 90's.... most here in the maritimes were convienced that we would be merged with the US because it would cost Canada too much to deal with us through/over/around Quebec...... that scared the crap out of me and still sorta does.... I don't want to be a part of the US for the simple fact that we'd be considdered 2nd class citizens, we'd be sucked out of all our resorces more then what we already are and we'd probably be the last in the country to get any assistence of any kind. Quite simply we'd be worse off then we are now..... and it makes no sense to join Quebec because they'd be in enough crap they'd have to deal with in the first place, not to mention how upitty they are about their own culture and identity, they too wouldn't give a rats ass about us in the maritimes and we'd still be 2nd class citizens..... like some friggin pay back to the English or something. the next time it tanks, just like the Canadian taxpayers have done so many times already!
Would their currency have Stephon Dion on the bills, or that inflatable Michelin-Man looking
mascot thing? I'm sure, for a fee, that Canada can print the new currency for Quebec in the
National Mint in Winnipeg, as Canada already prints the currency for many other countries.
If Quebec separates from Canada, I can see the downfall for Quebec, but not for the rest of
Canada....can some informed person please enlighten me?
If Quebec separates from Canada, I sure would miss Maple syrup, but I'll get over it.
Would their currency have Stephon Dion on the bills, or that inflatable Michelin-Man looking
mascot thing? I'm sure, for a fee, that Canada can print the new currency for Quebec in the
National Mint in Winnipeg, as Canada already prints the currency for many other countries.
If Quebec separates from Canada, I can see the downfall for Quebec, but not for the rest of
Canada....can some informed person please enlighten me?
If Quebec separates from Canada, I sure would miss Maple syrup, but I'll get over it.
Joining the UK would be the only real logical solution.
But in a nut shell Canada knows Quebec won't seperate and Quebec knows Canada won't allow them to seperate, so it'll just continue to be a political soap opera for years to come.
Newbie
Posts: 23
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
April 10th, 2008, 09:05 PM
I've worked (in my youth, in Saskatchewan and in Alberta) with
many guys from the Maritimes in construction and the oil fields. I've heard
their opinions and concerns about the lack of employment at home and the
threats of Quebec separating. I've never worked with anyone from Quebec
so I've never heard their side of things. If things are so bad that so much of
the Equalization Monies have to be funneled into Quebec, why have I not
run into anyone from Quebec out here in the west where the economy is hot?
If you have a positive attitude, and you want to work, Western Canada needs
more people, and the door is open.
I'll tell you straight out. Employers here love hiring (especially in the
construction field) folks from the Maritimes, and then having the rest of the
crew just try to keep up with the pace set by someone from the East Coast.
Twenty years ago when Saskatchewan's Economy was flat, all I need to say
to get a job in Alberta was, "I'm from Saskatchewan!" That's the way it is in
Alberta right now for folks from the Maritimes, skilled or not. It's the work
ethic that may employers are looking for. Saskatchewan is now rocking too.
As far as trimming the deadwood from the tree to make it healthier, there's
lots of room (and work, and opportunity) out west for anyone who wants to
come. If Quebec ever wants to forge out on their own, well Quebec...smell
ya' later.
I've worked (in my youth, in Saskatchewan and in Alberta) with
many guys from the Maritimes in construction and the oil fields. I've heard
their opinions and concerns about the lack of employment at home and the
threats of Quebec separating. I've never worked with anyone from Quebec
so I've never heard their side of things. If things are so bad that so much of
the Equalization Monies have to be funneled into Quebec, why have I not
run into anyone from Quebec out here in the west where the economy is hot?
If you have a positive attitude, and you want to work, Western Canada needs
more people, and the door is open.
I'll tell you straight out. Employers here love hiring (especially in the
construction field) folks from the Maritimes, and then having the rest of the
crew just try to keep up with the pace set by someone from the East Coast.
Twenty years ago when Saskatchewan's Economy was flat, all I need to say
to get a job in Alberta was, "I'm from Saskatchewan!" That's the way it is in
Alberta right now for folks from the Maritimes, skilled or not. It's the work
ethic that may employers are looking for. Saskatchewan is now rocking too.
As far as trimming the deadwood from the tree to make it healthier, there's
lots of room (and work, and opportunity) out west for anyone who wants to
come. If Quebec ever wants to forge out on their own, well Quebec...smell
ya' later.
Newbie
Posts: 23
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
April 10th, 2008, 09:59 PM
My, aren't you touchy. I last heard about it a couple of days
ago, after the protest in Paris about the Olympic Torch run there and
before the Torch run in San Francisco when an comparison was made
on the radio between the China & Tibet, and Canada & Quebec. And no,
it wasn't the Province of Quebec announcing this on the radio, it was the
stations announcers.
To put this in some perspective, when was the last time YOU heard
about Manitoba wanting to separate from Canada? When was the last time
YOU heard about Ohio wanting to separate from the USA? Have YOU ever
heard of Quebec wanting to separate from Canada? Do YOU think this issue
of Quebec wanting to separate from Canada isn't going to be brought up again
by Quebec? If this wasn't a concern, this Blog wouldn't exist, and you wouldn't
be following it, would you?
So to answer your question, I haven't heard this brought up in the media for
about 48 hours or so, give or take a couple of hours.
My, aren't you touchy. I last heard about it a couple of days
ago, after the protest in Paris about the Olympic Torch run there and
before the Torch run in San Francisco when an comparison was made
on the radio between the China & Tibet, and Canada & Quebec. And no,
it wasn't the Province of Quebec announcing this on the radio, it was the
stations announcers.
To put this in some perspective, when was the last time YOU heard
about Manitoba wanting to separate from Canada? When was the last time
YOU heard about Ohio wanting to separate from the USA? Have YOU ever
heard of Quebec wanting to separate from Canada? Do YOU think this issue
of Quebec wanting to separate from Canada isn't going to be brought up again
by Quebec? If this wasn't a concern, this Blog wouldn't exist, and you wouldn't
be following it, would you?
So to answer your question, I haven't heard this brought up in the media for
about 48 hours or so, give or take a couple of hours.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,135
Location: Montreal
Location: Montreal
April 10th, 2008, 10:12 PM
So you heard Quebec threatening to seperate while hearing about the protests in Paris eh? Some journalist compared the China-Tibet situation to the Canada-Quebec situation and you consider that a threat from Quebec to seperate?
How about giving me more explanations on that?
Quoting Ron in Regina
Touchy? I asked a simple straigtforward question. Perhaps you are the touchy one... My, aren't you touchy. I last heard about it a couple of days
ago, after the protest in Paris about the Olympic Torch run there and
before the Torch run in San Francisco when an comparison was made
on the radio between the China & Tibet, and Canada & Quebec. And no,
it wasn't the Province of Quebec announcing this on the radio, it was the
stations announcers.
To put this in some perspective, when was the last time YOU heard
about Manitoba wanting to separate from Canada? When was the last time
YOU heard about Ohio wanting to separate from the USA? Have YOU ever
heard of Quebec wanting to separate from Canada? Do YOU think this issue
of Quebec wanting to separate from Canada isn't going to be brought up again
by Quebec? If this wasn't a concern, this Blog wouldn't exist, and you wouldn't
be following it, would you?
So to answer your question, I haven't heard this brought up in the media for
about 48 hours or so, give or take a couple of hours.
ago, after the protest in Paris about the Olympic Torch run there and
before the Torch run in San Francisco when an comparison was made
on the radio between the China & Tibet, and Canada & Quebec. And no,
it wasn't the Province of Quebec announcing this on the radio, it was the
stations announcers.
To put this in some perspective, when was the last time YOU heard
about Manitoba wanting to separate from Canada? When was the last time
YOU heard about Ohio wanting to separate from the USA? Have YOU ever
heard of Quebec wanting to separate from Canada? Do YOU think this issue
of Quebec wanting to separate from Canada isn't going to be brought up again
by Quebec? If this wasn't a concern, this Blog wouldn't exist, and you wouldn't
be following it, would you?
So to answer your question, I haven't heard this brought up in the media for
about 48 hours or so, give or take a couple of hours.
So you heard Quebec threatening to seperate while hearing about the protests in Paris eh? Some journalist compared the China-Tibet situation to the Canada-Quebec situation and you consider that a threat from Quebec to seperate?
How about giving me more explanations on that?
Newbie
Posts: 23
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
April 10th, 2008, 11:03 PM
Wow. OK. Its been a couple of years now since the LAST
referendum. You're not my ex-wife, are you? Yes, Quebec was
brought up as separating from Canada on the radio, and no, it
wasn't the province of Quebec threatening to separate, it was
the radio announcers discussing the Torch run protests, which
lead to discussing China & Tibet, which lead to them discussing
Canada & Quebec in comparison, which peaked my curiosity
and lead to me looking this topic up on the internet, which lead
to this Blog. If Quebec decides that it wants to separate, then
so be it. I don't have a problem with it. If someone doesn't want
to be a Canadian, then they can walk away. Just like any divorce,
there's the door.
My question back to you now. If the question of Quebec wanting
to separate from Canada again isn't an issue, then why are both of
us on this Blog? You seem to be following this pretty closely. For
me, I wouldn't have even found this Blog if the seed of curiosity
wasn't planted by what I heard discussed in the last couple of days.
That's my motivation for looking this subject up and asking the
questions I did above. Did I answer your question this time?
Where there's smoke, there's fire. Is there smoke?
Wow. OK. Its been a couple of years now since the LAST
referendum. You're not my ex-wife, are you? Yes, Quebec was
brought up as separating from Canada on the radio, and no, it
wasn't the province of Quebec threatening to separate, it was
the radio announcers discussing the Torch run protests, which
lead to discussing China & Tibet, which lead to them discussing
Canada & Quebec in comparison, which peaked my curiosity
and lead to me looking this topic up on the internet, which lead
to this Blog. If Quebec decides that it wants to separate, then
so be it. I don't have a problem with it. If someone doesn't want
to be a Canadian, then they can walk away. Just like any divorce,
there's the door.
My question back to you now. If the question of Quebec wanting
to separate from Canada again isn't an issue, then why are both of
us on this Blog? You seem to be following this pretty closely. For
me, I wouldn't have even found this Blog if the seed of curiosity
wasn't planted by what I heard discussed in the last couple of days.
That's my motivation for looking this subject up and asking the
questions I did above. Did I answer your question this time?
Where there's smoke, there's fire. Is there smoke?
Super Genius
Posts: 1,135
Location: Montreal
Location: Montreal
April 11th, 2008, 12:53 PM
I was born from an anglophone father and francophone mother so I believe I've got a good access to both sides of the story. I also have a very split opinion on the subject which would make me an outcast on both sides of the political spectrum (seperatist-federalist).
I don't agree with Canadians who say Quebec constantly uses seperatist threats to get what they want because it only really happened 2 times since 1867. The first time was in 1980 and the NO side won with approximately 60% of the vote. The referendum happened because the national identity of Quebecers was electrified in the 60s when it liberated itself from the Catholic Church's spell. Starting in the the 60s until the 1980 referendum, French Canadians (or Québecois) took action to empower themselves succesfully. They put an end to a long era of thought control by the Church and social and economic domination by Anglophones. In 1976, the PQ was elected for the first time. Bill 101 was put in place to protect French. The 1980 referendum was the result of many years of empowerment and what was at hand was sovereignty-association, not complete seperation. Sovereignty-association is often ridiculed by Canadians because they are the ones feeling threatened by Quebec's self-defining nature, so they usually fail to see how sovereignty association could actually benefit both Quebec and Canada if it was achieved with intelligence and good will. It is only bitterness and resent that would stop a hypothetical post-seperation Canada to cooperate with a Quebec state so that both countries could keep on sharing what they've both built together. That being said, I also believe Quebecers should be very aware that if they choose to become a country, they shouldn't take anything for granted as to how Canada will cooperate.
The next referendum was in 1995 and it was a lot closer that time... 49%-51% in favor of the NO side... That referendum was the culmination of 15 years of dialogue and arguments between the newly empowered Quebec and the ROC. It really is all about the Constitution and what kind of country Canadians and Quebecers want. A majority of Quebecers want a higly decentralized Canada in which Ottawa minds its own business and lets Quebec and the the other provinces do their things without being bothered. Canadians however are attached to the concept of one grand nation united under one flag. In that view, it's normal for Ottawa to have its say in pretty much everything that's going in the country. The 2 views are completely opposed and the tension between Quebec and Canada is quite strong because of that. However, it is to both Canada and Quebec's great merit that these tensions have never manifested itself violently, except for the FLQ incident in 1970, which by the way was caused by an extremely small minority of extremist seperatists.
After the complete failure of the Meech Lake accord, what followed was a new empowerment of Quebec nationalism but this time, it was more out of frustration with Canada than out of a desire for independance... at least that is how I understand it... many would disagree. The referendum in 1995 wasn't a true victory for anyone in my opinion. The NO side won and Canada as we know it survived, but so did the divisions.
What I'm trying to get to is that it's very simple-minded to accuse Quebec of consantly threatening Canada to seperate. There's a long list of political, economic, social and cultural factors that are rooted in a multi-faceted history that can explain why Quebecers have become so outspoken and defiant within Canada.
When the English took over New France and French-Canadians suddenly became ''subjects'' of the British Crown, what happened is that the French-Canadians had a head start into defining themselves as a nation. French-Canadians had no more allegiance to France. And they never had any true allegiance to Great Britain. French Canadians were on their own and their identity was born before the Canadian identity. The Canadian identity was born out of national faithfullness to the British Crown but the Quebec identity was born out of a loss of nationalism... Therefore French Canadians started creating their own national identity that was neither really French (in relation to France) nor English (from Great-Britain) but something new.
I believe Quebec seperatism will keep on resurfacing periodically as a major issue as long as Canada lives in denial of its own Constitutional failures in regards to the inclusion of Quebec.
Quoting Ron in Regina
You're right, I follow this pretty closely because I'm very much interested in the future of both Canada and Quebec (where I was born and lived all my life). My question back to you now. If the question of Quebec wanting
to separate from Canada again isn't an issue, then why are both of
us on this Blog? You seem to be following this pretty closely. For
me, I wouldn't have even found this Blog if the seed of curiosity
wasn't planted by what I heard discussed in the last couple of days.
That's my motivation for looking this subject up and asking the
questions I did above. Did I answer your question this time?
Where there's smoke, there's fire. Is there smoke?
to separate from Canada again isn't an issue, then why are both of
us on this Blog? You seem to be following this pretty closely. For
me, I wouldn't have even found this Blog if the seed of curiosity
wasn't planted by what I heard discussed in the last couple of days.
That's my motivation for looking this subject up and asking the
questions I did above. Did I answer your question this time?
Where there's smoke, there's fire. Is there smoke?
I was born from an anglophone father and francophone mother so I believe I've got a good access to both sides of the story. I also have a very split opinion on the subject which would make me an outcast on both sides of the political spectrum (seperatist-federalist).
I don't agree with Canadians who say Quebec constantly uses seperatist threats to get what they want because it only really happened 2 times since 1867. The first time was in 1980 and the NO side won with approximately 60% of the vote. The referendum happened because the national identity of Quebecers was electrified in the 60s when it liberated itself from the Catholic Church's spell. Starting in the the 60s until the 1980 referendum, French Canadians (or Québecois) took action to empower themselves succesfully. They put an end to a long era of thought control by the Church and social and economic domination by Anglophones. In 1976, the PQ was elected for the first time. Bill 101 was put in place to protect French. The 1980 referendum was the result of many years of empowerment and what was at hand was sovereignty-association, not complete seperation. Sovereignty-association is often ridiculed by Canadians because they are the ones feeling threatened by Quebec's self-defining nature, so they usually fail to see how sovereignty association could actually benefit both Quebec and Canada if it was achieved with intelligence and good will. It is only bitterness and resent that would stop a hypothetical post-seperation Canada to cooperate with a Quebec state so that both countries could keep on sharing what they've both built together. That being said, I also believe Quebecers should be very aware that if they choose to become a country, they shouldn't take anything for granted as to how Canada will cooperate.
The next referendum was in 1995 and it was a lot closer that time... 49%-51% in favor of the NO side... That referendum was the culmination of 15 years of dialogue and arguments between the newly empowered Quebec and the ROC. It really is all about the Constitution and what kind of country Canadians and Quebecers want. A majority of Quebecers want a higly decentralized Canada in which Ottawa minds its own business and lets Quebec and the the other provinces do their things without being bothered. Canadians however are attached to the concept of one grand nation united under one flag. In that view, it's normal for Ottawa to have its say in pretty much everything that's going in the country. The 2 views are completely opposed and the tension between Quebec and Canada is quite strong because of that. However, it is to both Canada and Quebec's great merit that these tensions have never manifested itself violently, except for the FLQ incident in 1970, which by the way was caused by an extremely small minority of extremist seperatists.
After the complete failure of the Meech Lake accord, what followed was a new empowerment of Quebec nationalism but this time, it was more out of frustration with Canada than out of a desire for independance... at least that is how I understand it... many would disagree. The referendum in 1995 wasn't a true victory for anyone in my opinion. The NO side won and Canada as we know it survived, but so did the divisions.
What I'm trying to get to is that it's very simple-minded to accuse Quebec of consantly threatening Canada to seperate. There's a long list of political, economic, social and cultural factors that are rooted in a multi-faceted history that can explain why Quebecers have become so outspoken and defiant within Canada.
When the English took over New France and French-Canadians suddenly became ''subjects'' of the British Crown, what happened is that the French-Canadians had a head start into defining themselves as a nation. French-Canadians had no more allegiance to France. And they never had any true allegiance to Great Britain. French Canadians were on their own and their identity was born before the Canadian identity. The Canadian identity was born out of national faithfullness to the British Crown but the Quebec identity was born out of a loss of nationalism... Therefore French Canadians started creating their own national identity that was neither really French (in relation to France) nor English (from Great-Britain) but something new.
I believe Quebec seperatism will keep on resurfacing periodically as a major issue as long as Canada lives in denial of its own Constitutional failures in regards to the inclusion of Quebec.
Jerk Extraordinaire
Posts: 2,950
Location: Atlantic Canada
Location: Atlantic Canada
April 11th, 2008, 01:08 PM
I considdered heading out there a few years ago after a year or two screwing around looking for something steady here that paid enough to live.... but I decided to stick it out for the simple reason that my leaving, as well as everyone else leaving the Maritimes, doesn't help the Maritimes any. Sure they're getting a job and getting paid well.... but that doesn't help with anything back here. I personally wanted to help some companies make it here with what I know how to do and my speed, perhaps expand their companies or bring in more work... try and bring something back here, rather then all of it taking off.
I don't have anything against people heading out west... you gotta do what you gotta do. I just decided myself to stick it out and so far it's working. It could be easier, but who said I liked doing things easily?
Quoting Ron in Regina
Fair enough. Good to hear most who leave here from the Maritimes are actually working. I've worked (in my youth, in Saskatchewan and in Alberta) with
many guys from the Maritimes in construction and the oil fields. I've heard
their opinions and concerns about the lack of employment at home and the
threats of Quebec separating. I've never worked with anyone from Quebec
so I've never heard their side of things. If things are so bad that so much of
the Equalization Monies have to be funneled into Quebec, why have I not
run into anyone from Quebec out here in the west where the economy is hot?
If you have a positive attitude, and you want to work, Western Canada needs
more people, and the door is open.
I'll tell you straight out. Employers here love hiring (especially in the
construction field) folks from the Maritimes, and then having the rest of the
crew just try to keep up with the pace set by someone from the East Coast.
Twenty years ago when Saskatchewan's Economy was flat, all I need to say
to get a job in Alberta was, "I'm from Saskatchewan!" That's the way it is in
Alberta right now for folks from the Maritimes, skilled or not. It's the work
ethic that may employers are looking for. Saskatchewan is now rocking too.
As far as trimming the deadwood from the tree to make it healthier, there's
lots of room (and work, and opportunity) out west for anyone who wants to
come. If Quebec ever wants to forge out on their own, well Quebec...smell
ya' later.
many guys from the Maritimes in construction and the oil fields. I've heard
their opinions and concerns about the lack of employment at home and the
threats of Quebec separating. I've never worked with anyone from Quebec
so I've never heard their side of things. If things are so bad that so much of
the Equalization Monies have to be funneled into Quebec, why have I not
run into anyone from Quebec out here in the west where the economy is hot?
If you have a positive attitude, and you want to work, Western Canada needs
more people, and the door is open.
I'll tell you straight out. Employers here love hiring (especially in the
construction field) folks from the Maritimes, and then having the rest of the
crew just try to keep up with the pace set by someone from the East Coast.
Twenty years ago when Saskatchewan's Economy was flat, all I need to say
to get a job in Alberta was, "I'm from Saskatchewan!" That's the way it is in
Alberta right now for folks from the Maritimes, skilled or not. It's the work
ethic that may employers are looking for. Saskatchewan is now rocking too.
As far as trimming the deadwood from the tree to make it healthier, there's
lots of room (and work, and opportunity) out west for anyone who wants to
come. If Quebec ever wants to forge out on their own, well Quebec...smell
ya' later.
I considdered heading out there a few years ago after a year or two screwing around looking for something steady here that paid enough to live.... but I decided to stick it out for the simple reason that my leaving, as well as everyone else leaving the Maritimes, doesn't help the Maritimes any. Sure they're getting a job and getting paid well.... but that doesn't help with anything back here. I personally wanted to help some companies make it here with what I know how to do and my speed, perhaps expand their companies or bring in more work... try and bring something back here, rather then all of it taking off.
I don't have anything against people heading out west... you gotta do what you gotta do. I just decided myself to stick it out and so far it's working. It could be easier, but who said I liked doing things easily?
Jerk Extraordinaire
Posts: 2,950
Location: Atlantic Canada
Location: Atlantic Canada
April 11th, 2008, 01:10 PM
Police chase 'New FLQ' group
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/ne...flq-group.html
Quoting s_lone
Does this count for you?
I'll repeat the question...
When is the last time you heard Quebec threatening to seperate?
When is the last time you heard Quebec threatening to seperate?
Police chase 'New FLQ' group
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/ne...flq-group.html
Super Genius
Posts: 1,135
Location: Montreal
Location: Montreal
April 11th, 2008, 01:14 PM
Quoting Praxius
Nope. They're a bunch of lunatics.
Does this count for you?
Police chase 'New FLQ' group
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/ne...flq-group.html
Police chase 'New FLQ' group
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/ne...flq-group.html
Jerk Extraordinaire
Posts: 2,950
Location: Atlantic Canada
Location: Atlantic Canada
April 11th, 2008, 02:11 PM
How can you have in the same paragraph post-seperate Canada/Quebec still wanting to trade/deal with one another to keep on sharing what both have built together, when Quebec would be destroying exactly what both have built by seperating to begin with? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
It was voted on twice before, those who wanted to seperate lost twice.... it's dead and done with, yet we all know it'll just come back again and again. Either stomp the hell out of these moaners and sh*t disturbers and deal with the government the way the rest of us all do, or yes... GTF out of the country and take your chances on the rest of the country being pissed off and not dealing with you guys.
That's just MO of course.
What about Newfoundland? They're more distinct then most other Proviences in Canada, yet I don't hear them complaining about wanting to seperate to the level of Quebec.
Quebec had their identity long before Canada did? Hell... Nova Scotia still has a population that still speaks not only French but also Gaelic in Cape Breton. This identity has been here since people began to settle, yet that's no identity?
I think you need to understand that the collective of proviencial identities in Canada are exactly what makes up Canada's Identity..... and if you think the other proviences don't have an identity to speak of, or isn't on par with Quebec's, then that shows your own intollerance and simple-mindedness you referred to above in regards to the rest of Canada.
I understand very clearly what you are trying to say about Quebec's perspective and position, but I still don't see anything remotely different from other proviences that would warrent you guys any justification for seperation, besides sometimes not always getting what you want.....
guess what? Nobody ever does.
Quoting s_lone
Two times more then any other provience in Canada and it continues to come back as a topic in the media and news every year.
I don't agree with Canadians who say Quebec constantly uses seperatist threats to get what they want because it only really happened 2 times since 1867.
Quote:
The problem here, besides your generalizing all Anglophones as being against you and Quebec, is that we're not stupid either. Not all of those living in Quebec think as you do above. Many have even voiced that if this went through and Quebec got their sovereingty thing going along as most want, then they would use that as a stepping stone to push for complete seperation. Until you can get rid of those fools and that mentality, the above isn't fooling anybody.... and those who advocate for the seperation and plans to go ahead once the above is done, are in turn the ones holding the country's identity and the maritimes hostage to get what you want..... which to the rest of us don't see any friggin point to it to begin with.
The first time was in 1980 and the NO side won with approximately 60% of the vote. The referendum happened because the national identity of Quebecers was electrified in the 60s when it liberated itself from the Catholic Church's spell. Starting in the the 60s until the 1980 referendum, French Canadians (or Québecois) took action to empower themselves succesfully. They put an end to a long era of thought control by the Church and social and economic domination by Anglophones. In 1976, the PQ was elected for the first time. Bill 101 was put in place to protect French. The 1980 referendum was the result of many years of empowerment and what was at hand was sovereignty-association, not complete seperation. Sovereignty-association is often ridiculed by Canadians because they are the ones feeling threatened by Quebec's self-defining nature, so they usually fail to see how sovereignty association could actually benefit both Quebec and Canada if it was achieved with intelligence and good will.
Quote:
Let's see, Quebec seperates, devides the Maritimes from the rest of Canada.... possibly losing those proviences at the same time as Quebec pulling this stunt, causing a lot of money flying out the window for all... the economy going to crap, other nations trying to snag some artic territory at the first chance they can get in between territory disputes... the cost of revamping the entire government structure and elections to suit one provience now absent, possibly four others on top of that, new border/air space restrictions.... basically one big screwed up headache.... and you don't see any reasons why Canada might be bitter or not want to deal with Quebec?
It is only bitterness and resent that would stop a hypothetical post-seperation Canada to cooperate with a Quebec state so that both countries could keep on sharing what they've both built together. That being said, I also believe Quebecers should be very aware that if they choose to become a country, they shouldn't take anything for granted as to how Canada will cooperate.
How can you have in the same paragraph post-seperate Canada/Quebec still wanting to trade/deal with one another to keep on sharing what both have built together, when Quebec would be destroying exactly what both have built by seperating to begin with? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Quote:
and based on my previous post, that is starting up again by the looks of things. The reason why this whole seperatist thing keeps on going is because of the small margin of people wanting to not seperate won in 95'.... for whatever reason why they won, they won.... but we all know there is going to be yet another big one coming along for everybody to vote on.... and then another and another until those who want to seperate get their way. That is why most still considder Quebec a bunch of moaners and complainers who hang the seperation over the rest of our heads constantly..... and it is because of this that most are getting pissed and fed up over the damn thing.
The next referendum was in 1995 and it was a lot closer that time... 49%-51% in favor of the NO side... That referendum was the culmination of 15 years of dialogue and arguments between the newly empowered Quebec and the ROC. It really is all about the Constitution and what kind of country Canadians and Quebecers want. A majority of Quebecers want a higly decentralized Canada in which Ottawa minds its own business and lets Quebec and the the other provinces do their things without being bothered. Canadians however are attached to the concept of one grand nation united under one flag. In that view, it's normal for Ottawa to have its say in pretty much everything that's going in the country. The 2 views are completely opposed and the tension between Quebec and Canada is quite strong because of that. However, it is to both Canada and Quebec's great merit that these tensions have never manifested itself violently, except for the FLQ incident in 1970, which by the way was caused by an extremely small minority of extremist seperatists.
It was voted on twice before, those who wanted to seperate lost twice.... it's dead and done with, yet we all know it'll just come back again and again. Either stomp the hell out of these moaners and sh*t disturbers and deal with the government the way the rest of us all do, or yes... GTF out of the country and take your chances on the rest of the country being pissed off and not dealing with you guys.
That's just MO of course.
Quote:
And so had Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and a slew of other proviences based on what we all deem as unfair economics, social and similar things.... but we're all not threatening to leave the country... we deal with it the way everybody else deals with it in the country. Just because you speak french, doesn't make the situation any more special.
After the complete failure of the Meech Lake accord, what followed was a new empowerment of Quebec nationalism but this time, it was more out of frustration with Canada than out of a desire for independance... at least that is how I understand it... many would disagree. The referendum in 1995 wasn't a true victory for anyone in my opinion. The NO side won and Canada as we know it survived, but so did the divisions.
What I'm trying to get to is that it's very simple-minded to accuse Quebec of consantly threatening Canada to seperate. There's a long list of political, economic, social and cultural factors that are rooted in a multi-faceted history that can explain why Quebecers have become so outspoken and defiant within Canada.
What I'm trying to get to is that it's very simple-minded to accuse Quebec of consantly threatening Canada to seperate. There's a long list of political, economic, social and cultural factors that are rooted in a multi-faceted history that can explain why Quebecers have become so outspoken and defiant within Canada.
Quote:
There might be a different identity then other proviences in Canada, but each provience is different from the other in their own rights. I personally see nothing more special about Quebec over other proviences. New Brunswick has both French and English citizens in their provience and they seem to work together quite well. I don't hear too often cries of trying to keep their herritage pure.... to kick out forigners who come to Canada/their provience who don't speak French.... not hiring people who only speak english and all the other small minded, intollerant ways of Quebec.
When the English took over New France and French-Canadians suddenly became ''subjects'' of the British Crown, what happened is that the French-Canadians had a head start into defining themselves as a nation. French-Canadians had no more allegiance to France. And they never had any true allegiance to Great Britain. French Canadians were on their own and their identity was born before the Canadian identity. The Canadian identity was born out of national faithfullness to the British Crown but the Quebec identity was born out of a loss of nationalism... Therefore French Canadians started creating their own national identity that was neither really French (in relation to France) nor English (from Great-Britain) but something new.
What about Newfoundland? They're more distinct then most other Proviences in Canada, yet I don't hear them complaining about wanting to seperate to the level of Quebec.
Quote:
WTF? Failures in regards to the Inclusion of Quebec in the constitution? Compared to what?
I believe Quebec seperatism will keep on resurfacing periodically as a major issue as long as Canada lives in denial of its own Constitutional failures in regards to the inclusion of Quebec.
Quebec had their identity long before Canada did? Hell... Nova Scotia still has a population that still speaks not only French but also Gaelic in Cape Breton. This identity has been here since people began to settle, yet that's no identity?
I think you need to understand that the collective of proviencial identities in Canada are exactly what makes up Canada's Identity..... and if you think the other proviences don't have an identity to speak of, or isn't on par with Quebec's, then that shows your own intollerance and simple-mindedness you referred to above in regards to the rest of Canada.
I understand very clearly what you are trying to say about Quebec's perspective and position, but I still don't see anything remotely different from other proviences that would warrent you guys any justification for seperation, besides sometimes not always getting what you want.....
guess what? Nobody ever does.
Jerk Extraordinaire
Posts: 2,950
Location: Atlantic Canada
Location: Atlantic Canada
April 11th, 2008, 02:18 PM
Quoting s_lone
Yet no other provience has a bunch of lunatics like Quebec seems to always have towards this subject. You spoke about Anglophones in the past trying to screw with Quebec's identity or force their ways on the provience, yet we constantly have groups like this coming around trying to threaten, kidnap, bomb, etc. people within Quebec for the simple fact that they are english or that they assist people who are english in Quebec.
Nope. They're a bunch of lunatics.
Time Out
Posts: 203
Location: Canada - Golden Triangle
Location: Canada - Golden Triangle
April 11th, 2008, 02:38 PM
I must disagree because I was living in Quebec during the FLQ's first attempt to put a wedge between Quebec and Canada. At that time it did not matter whether you were an Anglophone or Francophone, freedom of movement and interrogation was not a daily exercise but hourly. Separation and the Quiet Revolution have been around since the early 40s and any time an issue concerning what Quebec wants and doesn't get brings up the ghost of referendums past. Thirty-nine of my fifty-seven years were spent in Quebec and I never feared my association with Francophones. Besides the vast majority of Anglophones living in Quebec have been assimilated voluntarily because they love the people and the province as I still do.
Respectfully, Johai
I must disagree because I was living in Quebec during the FLQ's first attempt to put a wedge between Quebec and Canada. At that time it did not matter whether you were an Anglophone or Francophone, freedom of movement and interrogation was not a daily exercise but hourly. Separation and the Quiet Revolution have been around since the early 40s and any time an issue concerning what Quebec wants and doesn't get brings up the ghost of referendums past. Thirty-nine of my fifty-seven years were spent in Quebec and I never feared my association with Francophones. Besides the vast majority of Anglophones living in Quebec have been assimilated voluntarily because they love the people and the province as I still do.
Respectfully, Johai
Newbie
Posts: 23
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
April 11th, 2008, 02:57 PM
Folks, I entered into this Blog as my curiosity was peaked, but my
knowledge was limited, and I believed that the media coverage that we'd
hear in Western Canada would have a biased slant. This has been very
informative. "s_lone, thanks for filling in some blanks for me from a very
different perspective!"
We're not all Rednecks out in the West, but we only know what we
are told, unless we seek out other viewpoints on our own. Personally,
I believe that's the way it is everywhere, is it not? That's why I came into
this Blog with a pile of questions, though it may have seemed that I had
a very real slant to my questions. I did have a slant to my questions, as
my perspective would have been very different from someone in Quebec,
or someone in the Maritimes. This has been educational. Thank You!
Folks, I entered into this Blog as my curiosity was peaked, but my
knowledge was limited, and I believed that the media coverage that we'd
hear in Western Canada would have a biased slant. This has been very
informative. "s_lone, thanks for filling in some blanks for me from a very
different perspective!"
We're not all Rednecks out in the West, but we only know what we
are told, unless we seek out other viewpoints on our own. Personally,
I believe that's the way it is everywhere, is it not? That's why I came into
this Blog with a pile of questions, though it may have seemed that I had
a very real slant to my questions. I did have a slant to my questions, as
my perspective would have been very different from someone in Quebec,
or someone in the Maritimes. This has been educational. Thank You!
Jerk Extraordinaire
Posts: 2,950
Location: Atlantic Canada
Location: Atlantic Canada
April 11th, 2008, 03:03 PM
Glad you found it informative. But don't let my negative attitude here damper your views on the situation. Most here in the Maritimes are more open and loud-mouthed about what P's us Off.... I'm this much of a jerk on all the other topics here, so don't take it the wrong way.
The rest of Canada and even Quebec may feel they're not holding the country hostage with these threats, but overall, us in the maritimes have the most to lose out on.... and none of it will be by our own decisions of course.... so myself and others I know are a tad bitter about the whole thing.... as well as fed up over it.
Wait.. most to lose out on? We're losing out already as it is..... *Shrugs*
Glad you found it informative. But don't let my negative attitude here damper your views on the situation. Most here in the Maritimes are more open and loud-mouthed about what P's us Off.... I'm this much of a jerk on all the other topics here, so don't take it the wrong way.
The rest of Canada and even Quebec may feel they're not holding the country hostage with these threats, but overall, us in the maritimes have the most to lose out on.... and none of it will be by our own decisions of course.... so myself and others I know are a tad bitter about the whole thing.... as well as fed up over it.
Wait.. most to lose out on? We're losing out already as it is..... *Shrugs*
