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August 7th, 2006, 08:03 AM
I remember when I lived in Halifax in 2003 after I graduated from Q.E.H. and b4 I moved to T.O. right when that sunday **** started I was wrk @ 1850/Panoroma with this dude named Ben Stich he played 4 St. Marys I hated it 4 hrs of my sunday gone ****
I remember when I lived in Halifax in 2003 after I graduated from Q.E.H. and b4 I moved to T.O. right when that sunday **** started I was wrk @ 1850/Panoroma with this dude named Ben Stich he played 4 St. Marys I hated it 4 hrs of my sunday gone ****
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Posts: 15
November 5th, 2006, 09:26 PM
As you all know - it's come to fruition - through somewhat insidious means. Never-the-less there are many of us who oppose the Sunday Shopping and we gathered today in Halifax to voice our opposition. You can watch the rally online at the following playlist:
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...D82E89590A97E2
Also please voice your concern on the newsgroup:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sundayshoppingnovascotia/
If we band together, refuse to shop on Sundays and voice our opinions - we can effect change!
Cheers,
Grant
As you all know - it's come to fruition - through somewhat insidious means. Never-the-less there are many of us who oppose the Sunday Shopping and we gathered today in Halifax to voice our opposition. You can watch the rally online at the following playlist:
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...D82E89590A97E2
Also please voice your concern on the newsgroup:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sundayshoppingnovascotia/
If we band together, refuse to shop on Sundays and voice our opinions - we can effect change!
Cheers,
Grant
Newbie
Posts: 15
November 6th, 2006, 06:22 PM
An interesting position to take. I would recommend that you view the clips on Youtube with a realtively open mind to actually hear the arguments posted in favour of the ban. Sunday Shopping is not an idea to be forced - it is a social attitude that affects every man, woman and child in the province. It's easy to say 'I want' to be able to do whatever I want whenever I want, but it's a selfish attitude that doesn't take into account the atmosphere of the province or the needs of those who must work on Sundays as a result.
As for the purchasing of gas - I do not think that the issue here is spending money. The issue is that we, as people need a day a week to recharge ... a day when regular business doesn't happen. You will notice that the banks, post office and government offies are closed on Sundays, if business is to be done on Sunday in the form of shopping and paying bills, then why cannot ALL business be done? No the argument that those opposed to Sunday Shopping might go out to eat or purchase gas is not relavent. With a ban on Sunday shopping, not only do those who work in those industries then have the option to change vocations to something that is not operating but certain necessary services operate - pharmacy, fuel, food - these services accommodate the needs of those in urgency. You cannot tell me that urgency might include full scale grocery shopping or an extra DVD at WAL MART.
Indeed, our province is a special place - and part of what makes us special is our ability to take a day to spend with family, read a book, watch a movie, walk the dog, visit one of the thousands of beautiful destinations our province has to offer. Just look at the other provinces, they have taken the road to excess, just as some Bluenosers wish to do. Violence increased, families broke up, depression and illness rose.
You may wish to shop on Sunday - but at what cost to ALL OF US. Just as you accuse me of forcing the idea of relaxing on you, I feel that the current government has forced upon me 'just another day of business'. It's irresponsible and will, unless reversed, destroy Nova Scotia as we know it!
Sincerely,
Grant
An interesting position to take. I would recommend that you view the clips on Youtube with a realtively open mind to actually hear the arguments posted in favour of the ban. Sunday Shopping is not an idea to be forced - it is a social attitude that affects every man, woman and child in the province. It's easy to say 'I want' to be able to do whatever I want whenever I want, but it's a selfish attitude that doesn't take into account the atmosphere of the province or the needs of those who must work on Sundays as a result.
As for the purchasing of gas - I do not think that the issue here is spending money. The issue is that we, as people need a day a week to recharge ... a day when regular business doesn't happen. You will notice that the banks, post office and government offies are closed on Sundays, if business is to be done on Sunday in the form of shopping and paying bills, then why cannot ALL business be done? No the argument that those opposed to Sunday Shopping might go out to eat or purchase gas is not relavent. With a ban on Sunday shopping, not only do those who work in those industries then have the option to change vocations to something that is not operating but certain necessary services operate - pharmacy, fuel, food - these services accommodate the needs of those in urgency. You cannot tell me that urgency might include full scale grocery shopping or an extra DVD at WAL MART.
Indeed, our province is a special place - and part of what makes us special is our ability to take a day to spend with family, read a book, watch a movie, walk the dog, visit one of the thousands of beautiful destinations our province has to offer. Just look at the other provinces, they have taken the road to excess, just as some Bluenosers wish to do. Violence increased, families broke up, depression and illness rose.
You may wish to shop on Sunday - but at what cost to ALL OF US. Just as you accuse me of forcing the idea of relaxing on you, I feel that the current government has forced upon me 'just another day of business'. It's irresponsible and will, unless reversed, destroy Nova Scotia as we know it!
Sincerely,
Grant
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,986 
November 6th, 2006, 06:45 PM
I know a doctor who wants to recharge, so she's not going to do her ER shift on Sunday. And I know lots of NSPC employees who want to recharge, so unfortunately, your power will be shut off. And the museums will be closed, as will the bridges. No sports events, either. Oh, and if you want to eat, sorry. Restaurants will all be closed, too. You are required to sit at home in the dark, doing nothing that involves a commercial transaction of any kind.
"Regular business" is, apparently, defined to include whatever you want it to include.
Quoting LoremIpsumDolor
So obviously, you should not be able to buy gas, or milk, or anything else on a Sunday. "regular business" after all.
As for the purchasing of gas - I do not think that the issue here is spending money. The issue is that we, as people need a day a week to recharge ... a day when regular business doesn't happen.
I know a doctor who wants to recharge, so she's not going to do her ER shift on Sunday. And I know lots of NSPC employees who want to recharge, so unfortunately, your power will be shut off. And the museums will be closed, as will the bridges. No sports events, either. Oh, and if you want to eat, sorry. Restaurants will all be closed, too. You are required to sit at home in the dark, doing nothing that involves a commercial transaction of any kind.
"Regular business" is, apparently, defined to include whatever you want it to include.
November 6th, 2006, 06:59 PM
Seriously, my GP back in Yarmouth takes 3 months worth of vacation during the warm months around May-September. Then I have to go to outpatients, make the wait times longer, indeed wait longer
myself for something that takes all of 5-10 minutes.
I can allready go rent a DVD or buy one without Wal-Mart, but why should they also not be allowed to open? I could go to Shoppers and buy grocery or any of the other smaller grocery outlets. I actually still do because they often have good prices on my protein needs on Sundays. Again, why should they not be allowed to open. Sure the workers at larger stores like having time off for their famillies. What makes their free time more valuable than the employees at smaller stores? Like small towns where they don't have a large choice of where they can find work.
The reality here is the system was overall just plain unfair.
Seriously, my GP back in Yarmouth takes 3 months worth of vacation during the warm months around May-September. Then I have to go to outpatients, make the wait times longer, indeed wait longer
myself for something that takes all of 5-10 minutes.
I can allready go rent a DVD or buy one without Wal-Mart, but why should they also not be allowed to open? I could go to Shoppers and buy grocery or any of the other smaller grocery outlets. I actually still do because they often have good prices on my protein needs on Sundays. Again, why should they not be allowed to open. Sure the workers at larger stores like having time off for their famillies. What makes their free time more valuable than the employees at smaller stores? Like small towns where they don't have a large choice of where they can find work.
The reality here is the system was overall just plain unfair.
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Posts: 15
November 6th, 2006, 06:59 PM
Well I must say, another rather odd position to take and not rather well defended. It is not a question that ALL individuals deserve and require a time to recharge. To imply that I would deny that is not only foolish, but an obvious note that you have mis understood my meaning. I will try to be more clear - to simplify have you.
All those Nova scotians who wish to live a life like that of another province, ie: to remove any morsel of commercialism - even if for only one day. I suggest that they follow the rest and 'head west'. As for those of us who remain for the lifestyle, it is unfortunate that Sunday Shopping has been 'imposed' upon us.
I realize that your remarks are based in sarcasm, and that you feel instead of limiting Sunday Business to the bare necessities we should open up the gamut and have the streets full like any other day. But perhaps you could explain to all of us why having power, becoming ill or maintaing infrastructure is regular business. It is not a question that there are some jobs that are 'necessary' and others that could be planned for by utilizing either on Saturday or Monday. But please do elaborate.
I have stated clearly my position, but you have simply twisted my meaning and retorted incompletely. What exactly is your position?
Well I must say, another rather odd position to take and not rather well defended. It is not a question that ALL individuals deserve and require a time to recharge. To imply that I would deny that is not only foolish, but an obvious note that you have mis understood my meaning. I will try to be more clear - to simplify have you.
All those Nova scotians who wish to live a life like that of another province, ie: to remove any morsel of commercialism - even if for only one day. I suggest that they follow the rest and 'head west'. As for those of us who remain for the lifestyle, it is unfortunate that Sunday Shopping has been 'imposed' upon us.
I realize that your remarks are based in sarcasm, and that you feel instead of limiting Sunday Business to the bare necessities we should open up the gamut and have the streets full like any other day. But perhaps you could explain to all of us why having power, becoming ill or maintaing infrastructure is regular business. It is not a question that there are some jobs that are 'necessary' and others that could be planned for by utilizing either on Saturday or Monday. But please do elaborate.
I have stated clearly my position, but you have simply twisted my meaning and retorted incompletely. What exactly is your position?
Newbie
Posts: 15
November 6th, 2006, 07:20 PM
Hey Tonington,
Apologies, my response was to TenPenny. But in response to your comments, I agree, those involved in more 'necessary' vocations - )and by necessary I mean fire, police, medical etc...not to imply that other vocations are not necessary. I need to be clear so as not to be mis-understood) seem to make 'recharge' time of their own....
however, I do think that we need to be careful using the word 'fair' inregard to bug business. we must be supported by them not the other way around! Don't you think?
Hey Tonington,
Apologies, my response was to TenPenny. But in response to your comments, I agree, those involved in more 'necessary' vocations - )and by necessary I mean fire, police, medical etc...not to imply that other vocations are not necessary. I need to be clear so as not to be mis-understood) seem to make 'recharge' time of their own....
however, I do think that we need to be careful using the word 'fair' inregard to bug business. we must be supported by them not the other way around! Don't you think?
November 6th, 2006, 07:34 PM
I rarely shop at places like wal-mart. As far as fair goes, I know that the large chains are the last place you might use that word. I think the point about one stores employees having rights to time off compared to a smaller store which was forced to open as a necessity of doing business is a valid one.
Today I bought a new fish tank because it was so cheap compared to the pet store. I do shop at the big grocery chains though, because smaller grocery stores don't really have the selection I need, or should I say want.
I rarely eat meat, when I do buy it I go for the specials at the small grocery stores, as that was and still is their niche. I eat way more vegetables and fruit than I eat meat. I eat a heck of a lot of Tofu too. I also buy lots of specialty products that I can't get in the smaller chains, such as some of the organic grocery I enjoy. I don't own a car, I bike everywhere, or walk. That limits how much grocery I can get at once, and it always seems that I run out of things on Sunday.
During the week I am busy studying my ass off trying to pass Organic Chemistry, and I sometimes neglect my grocery needs. I don't even shop that much on Sundays, I just enjoy having the option.
I rarely shop at places like wal-mart. As far as fair goes, I know that the large chains are the last place you might use that word. I think the point about one stores employees having rights to time off compared to a smaller store which was forced to open as a necessity of doing business is a valid one.
Today I bought a new fish tank because it was so cheap compared to the pet store. I do shop at the big grocery chains though, because smaller grocery stores don't really have the selection I need, or should I say want.
I rarely eat meat, when I do buy it I go for the specials at the small grocery stores, as that was and still is their niche. I eat way more vegetables and fruit than I eat meat. I eat a heck of a lot of Tofu too. I also buy lots of specialty products that I can't get in the smaller chains, such as some of the organic grocery I enjoy. I don't own a car, I bike everywhere, or walk. That limits how much grocery I can get at once, and it always seems that I run out of things on Sunday.
During the week I am busy studying my ass off trying to pass Organic Chemistry, and I sometimes neglect my grocery needs. I don't even shop that much on Sundays, I just enjoy having the option.
Don't bother arguing, I KNOW!
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Location: The Evil Empire
Location: The Evil Empire
November 6th, 2006, 07:39 PM
This may be a bit off topic, BUT, has anyone ever gone to Europe?
Shopping on Sundays? Ha!
Try every single shop closes by 8pm. Saturdays at 3pm. Sundays closed!
And that's not all. Running out of gas? Too bad. Gas stations aren't open 24hours, 7 days a week. They open for 8 hours and then you have to try and run around and find a gas station that is open overnight. If you're lucky it's close by. If not, stay home.
This may be a bit off topic, BUT, has anyone ever gone to Europe?
Shopping on Sundays? Ha!
Try every single shop closes by 8pm. Saturdays at 3pm. Sundays closed!
And that's not all. Running out of gas? Too bad. Gas stations aren't open 24hours, 7 days a week. They open for 8 hours and then you have to try and run around and find a gas station that is open overnight. If you're lucky it's close by. If not, stay home.
Newbie
Posts: 15
November 6th, 2006, 07:45 PM
Indeed I feel the same about big chains as you do. I don't avoid them completely, but I do like to support the little guy. The thing is, if there is a ban on Sunday Shopping, then those who work in the smaller stores are not 'forced' to work on Sunday, because they have the option to work elsewhere. When Sunday Shopping is in effect, there is basically little to no option for people.
It sounds like you actively live a healthy lifestyle, cycling, walking, consuming healthy foods. I applaud you! And Lord knows I was a student myself not that long ago. It's difficult to know when to take a break, our physical bodies don't benefit alone from a day of recharging once a week, our spirits and mental state is better as well. I reccomend to anyone with even a small amount of organizational skill. Plan your week around a day off, you'll look forward to it, you'll enjoy it, and as a result you'll enjoy the following week with more vigor and believe it or not - you'll actually be able to think more clearly.
Indeed I feel the same about big chains as you do. I don't avoid them completely, but I do like to support the little guy. The thing is, if there is a ban on Sunday Shopping, then those who work in the smaller stores are not 'forced' to work on Sunday, because they have the option to work elsewhere. When Sunday Shopping is in effect, there is basically little to no option for people.
It sounds like you actively live a healthy lifestyle, cycling, walking, consuming healthy foods. I applaud you! And Lord knows I was a student myself not that long ago. It's difficult to know when to take a break, our physical bodies don't benefit alone from a day of recharging once a week, our spirits and mental state is better as well. I reccomend to anyone with even a small amount of organizational skill. Plan your week around a day off, you'll look forward to it, you'll enjoy it, and as a result you'll enjoy the following week with more vigor and believe it or not - you'll actually be able to think more clearly.
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,986
November 15th, 2006, 11:11 AM
You have agreed with the previous gov't that there is some magical number, square feet of floor space, or number of employees, or something, that makes some stores "okay" to be open, and others not. What is this magical divide? But that is a random distinction, based on nothing. There is no logic or rationale behind this artificial divide, and that is what the big grocery stores were fighting. Why is it that, for example, a restaurant can be open, but a grocery store could not? Why? What is your explanation for this? Can you defend your assertion that there is some reason involved?
Quoting LoremIpsumDolor
My point was that you have decided that "big" stores should not be allowed to be open, but "smaller" ones should. Why? In what way is it necessary to have gas stations open, but not, say, hardware stores? You could plan ahead and buy all the gas you need on Saturday. (I recall the 1970s, when in Halifax, only ONE gas station from each company could be open on Sundays. The only Irving open on Sundays was the one on Robie St; the only Texaco, the one downtown in the parking garage).
Well I must say, another rather odd position to take and not rather well defended.
You have agreed with the previous gov't that there is some magical number, square feet of floor space, or number of employees, or something, that makes some stores "okay" to be open, and others not. What is this magical divide? But that is a random distinction, based on nothing. There is no logic or rationale behind this artificial divide, and that is what the big grocery stores were fighting. Why is it that, for example, a restaurant can be open, but a grocery store could not? Why? What is your explanation for this? Can you defend your assertion that there is some reason involved?
Newbie
Posts: 15
November 15th, 2006, 07:15 PM
I must begin by clarifying. I am not aserting that there is some magical 'number' as you have stated it, that should allow a store to be open. I am saying I am opposed to Sunday Shopping, I am opposed to Sunday being just another day of business. I am in support of a day of rest and recharge. Eating at a restaurant is not shopping - it's not the doing of regular business. But then the restraunteurs have to work you say?! Why yes, but they have the option to work either in an establishment that offers them the option to not work Sunday or work in a different field. But wait, not if there is Sunday Shopping, then they have no 'closing' option - interresting. Purchasing gas - do I think it is unnecessary - indeed. Is there some reason we cannot take care of that necessity on Saturday, I wonder. Do I think that hospitals, and vital services should operate? A completely irrelavent issue to this topic. Obviously we need medical, fire, police and power services - it is irrational to even suggest otherwise or even that it has anything to do with this issue. Drugstores? Well then there is the semantic issue you have drawn, how big of a drugstore? why is it necessary? should they be allowed to sell grocery and toiletry items as well? Medication is often an urgent item, your argument would deny this of people? Is getting croup medication for a child on Sunday afternoon considered shopping? By demanding Sunday Shopping you are in effect creating the same paradoxical semantics that you accuse oppositionists of. By demanding Sunday Shopping; you not only change the atmosphere of cities and communities by busying the streets with frustrated people trying to do business; you force staff into odd shifts and hours on Sundays that they once cherished as a reprieve from cranky customers; you force small businesses to open that would otherwise be closed driving them into a defecit increasing operating costs by 60 days a year; you force the cost of product up by increasing operating costs of all retail business; you increase levels of depression and substance abuse due to stress on a society that cannot slow itself down. People who want Sunday Shopping, want it strictly for themselves - the right and convenience to shop at will. Nothing more than self.
This issue is NOT about rights, it's NOT about self, it's about our province, our people, our ability to remain distinct and unique in a world consumed with commercialism and selfishly motivated ambitions. Our ability to remain spiritually, physically, emotionally and socially healthy.
I find that those who 'need' to shop on Sunday are the same people who wallow in front of the television every night all week long. Simple planning and organization is all that is required. We have been warned by other provinces, we have had a public opinion vote, we have seen the results in other places - and yet here we are. Desperately striving to achieve yet another echelon of self satisfied convenience. Typically the majority of Sunday Shopping Advocates are self absorbed city dwelling individuals who couldn't be bothered with their neighbours.
Extremist you judge. Perhaps. But we need more people who are concerned about our society as a whole and not just the desires of the idividual.
I urge you as a citizen of our fine province to sit back and honestly analyze what it is you truely want. Do you want to be able to shop on Sunday at will, pay your bills, stand in line at the market? Just ask yourself what the true cost of this will inevitably be. The atmosphere of our entire society as a province will be dramatically altered by this decision. Don't fool yourself into thinking it won't - there is evidence of this elsewhere.
Check out the rally videos with an intelligent mind, see what other opposing individuals have to say. The entire rally can be seen on YouTube in five clips at: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...D82E89590A97E2
I must begin by clarifying. I am not aserting that there is some magical 'number' as you have stated it, that should allow a store to be open. I am saying I am opposed to Sunday Shopping, I am opposed to Sunday being just another day of business. I am in support of a day of rest and recharge. Eating at a restaurant is not shopping - it's not the doing of regular business. But then the restraunteurs have to work you say?! Why yes, but they have the option to work either in an establishment that offers them the option to not work Sunday or work in a different field. But wait, not if there is Sunday Shopping, then they have no 'closing' option - interresting. Purchasing gas - do I think it is unnecessary - indeed. Is there some reason we cannot take care of that necessity on Saturday, I wonder. Do I think that hospitals, and vital services should operate? A completely irrelavent issue to this topic. Obviously we need medical, fire, police and power services - it is irrational to even suggest otherwise or even that it has anything to do with this issue. Drugstores? Well then there is the semantic issue you have drawn, how big of a drugstore? why is it necessary? should they be allowed to sell grocery and toiletry items as well? Medication is often an urgent item, your argument would deny this of people? Is getting croup medication for a child on Sunday afternoon considered shopping? By demanding Sunday Shopping you are in effect creating the same paradoxical semantics that you accuse oppositionists of. By demanding Sunday Shopping; you not only change the atmosphere of cities and communities by busying the streets with frustrated people trying to do business; you force staff into odd shifts and hours on Sundays that they once cherished as a reprieve from cranky customers; you force small businesses to open that would otherwise be closed driving them into a defecit increasing operating costs by 60 days a year; you force the cost of product up by increasing operating costs of all retail business; you increase levels of depression and substance abuse due to stress on a society that cannot slow itself down. People who want Sunday Shopping, want it strictly for themselves - the right and convenience to shop at will. Nothing more than self.
This issue is NOT about rights, it's NOT about self, it's about our province, our people, our ability to remain distinct and unique in a world consumed with commercialism and selfishly motivated ambitions. Our ability to remain spiritually, physically, emotionally and socially healthy.
I find that those who 'need' to shop on Sunday are the same people who wallow in front of the television every night all week long. Simple planning and organization is all that is required. We have been warned by other provinces, we have had a public opinion vote, we have seen the results in other places - and yet here we are. Desperately striving to achieve yet another echelon of self satisfied convenience. Typically the majority of Sunday Shopping Advocates are self absorbed city dwelling individuals who couldn't be bothered with their neighbours.
Extremist you judge. Perhaps. But we need more people who are concerned about our society as a whole and not just the desires of the idividual.
I urge you as a citizen of our fine province to sit back and honestly analyze what it is you truely want. Do you want to be able to shop on Sunday at will, pay your bills, stand in line at the market? Just ask yourself what the true cost of this will inevitably be. The atmosphere of our entire society as a province will be dramatically altered by this decision. Don't fool yourself into thinking it won't - there is evidence of this elsewhere.
Check out the rally videos with an intelligent mind, see what other opposing individuals have to say. The entire rally can be seen on YouTube in five clips at: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...D82E89590A97E2
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,986
November 16th, 2006, 09:10 AM
Although you have made some distinction that eating in a restaurant is a different class of commercial transaction; that's debatable, but I can see where you draw the line, I just don't know why. Why is eating in a restaurant "not the doing of regular business"? And why, under your scheme, is it necessary that restaurants be allowed to open, and if the employees don't want to work Sundays they can do somehting else, whereas other shopping stores aren't covered by this logic? You're saying that they can either work in a restaurant or "in a different field", but somehow this same option cannot apply to other retail workers? Why not?
Quoting LoremIpsumDolor
So you do agree that ALL stores should be closed on Sunday, that's good. At least you're consistent.
I must begin by clarifying. I am not aserting that there is some magical 'number' as you have stated it, that should allow a store to be open. I am saying I am opposed to Sunday Shopping, I am opposed to Sunday being just another day of business. I am in support of a day of rest and recharge. Eating at a restaurant is not shopping - it's not the doing of regular business. But then the restraunteurs have to work you say?! Why yes, but they have the option to work either in an establishment that offers them the option to not work Sunday or work in a different field.
Although you have made some distinction that eating in a restaurant is a different class of commercial transaction; that's debatable, but I can see where you draw the line, I just don't know why. Why is eating in a restaurant "not the doing of regular business"? And why, under your scheme, is it necessary that restaurants be allowed to open, and if the employees don't want to work Sundays they can do somehting else, whereas other shopping stores aren't covered by this logic? You're saying that they can either work in a restaurant or "in a different field", but somehow this same option cannot apply to other retail workers? Why not?
Newbie
Posts: 15
November 16th, 2006, 09:37 AM
I seem to be having difficulty in communicating clearly my stance. If restaurants were to be closed on Sundays I would have absolutely no argument to oppose it, in fact I cannot see it being a bad thing, however I have not included it under the umbrella of 'Sunday Shopping' because by definition it is not 'shopping' in the same vein that attending a play or movie on Sunday is not shopping, going to a national park (for which admission is charged) is not shopping - these activities all require someone to be working on Sunday and are all leisure activities. No I don't think anyone should be coerced or forced into working on Sunday and were these to be closed to accommodate Sunday Shopping - no argument. Again though - if retail stores (using the defined term) are closed on Sundays then those who might otherwise work in a restaurant at a park or in a theatre would then have the option to work in a retail field that was indeed closed. No this is not my argument for closing stores or an argument for leaving restaurants etc. open, it's simple reasoning. In your opinion, should all factories, productin facilities close on Sunday as well - were Sunday shopping to be repealed? In your opinion, should all government offices be forced open in conjunction with Sunday shopping? It would be my position that if the government is going to require all stores to be open (I realize that it's a choice, but in many cases it's not an opiton for some businesses on a competition basis) that all of it's agencies be open for business as well. What if I need a Passport for Monday morning and oops forgot to get it Friday before 4:00, oops forgot to pay the water bill, oh well I can do it while I'm shopping Sunday afternoon? Banks? Shouldn't they be required to be open so while we're all out shopping we can access those hard earned dollars - isn't that our right? Bank machine you say ... but that's discriminatory against those who are not comfortable using the technology - and perhaps we shoudl require the RCMP to maintain a complete staff on weekends - they currently do not in most offices...
The simple fact is, having Sunday as a chillin' out day is good for the province. Semantic argument can go on forever in both directions, what it all boils down to is what we're willing to do as a group of people to improve quality of life for ourselves and our neighbours. If giving up one day a week to those who need/want it is all it would take to do that then everyone in favour of Sunday shopping need simply to weigh that against their own need/want to shop. yes? no?
I seem to be having difficulty in communicating clearly my stance. If restaurants were to be closed on Sundays I would have absolutely no argument to oppose it, in fact I cannot see it being a bad thing, however I have not included it under the umbrella of 'Sunday Shopping' because by definition it is not 'shopping' in the same vein that attending a play or movie on Sunday is not shopping, going to a national park (for which admission is charged) is not shopping - these activities all require someone to be working on Sunday and are all leisure activities. No I don't think anyone should be coerced or forced into working on Sunday and were these to be closed to accommodate Sunday Shopping - no argument. Again though - if retail stores (using the defined term) are closed on Sundays then those who might otherwise work in a restaurant at a park or in a theatre would then have the option to work in a retail field that was indeed closed. No this is not my argument for closing stores or an argument for leaving restaurants etc. open, it's simple reasoning. In your opinion, should all factories, productin facilities close on Sunday as well - were Sunday shopping to be repealed? In your opinion, should all government offices be forced open in conjunction with Sunday shopping? It would be my position that if the government is going to require all stores to be open (I realize that it's a choice, but in many cases it's not an opiton for some businesses on a competition basis) that all of it's agencies be open for business as well. What if I need a Passport for Monday morning and oops forgot to get it Friday before 4:00, oops forgot to pay the water bill, oh well I can do it while I'm shopping Sunday afternoon? Banks? Shouldn't they be required to be open so while we're all out shopping we can access those hard earned dollars - isn't that our right? Bank machine you say ... but that's discriminatory against those who are not comfortable using the technology - and perhaps we shoudl require the RCMP to maintain a complete staff on weekends - they currently do not in most offices...
The simple fact is, having Sunday as a chillin' out day is good for the province. Semantic argument can go on forever in both directions, what it all boils down to is what we're willing to do as a group of people to improve quality of life for ourselves and our neighbours. If giving up one day a week to those who need/want it is all it would take to do that then everyone in favour of Sunday shopping need simply to weigh that against their own need/want to shop. yes? no?
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November 16th, 2006, 10:33 AM
I for one, would have loved "no sunday shopping" when I was working minimum wage. Nothing like being forced to work a 16 hour sunday. I mean, having a tuesday and thursday off instead of an actual weekend where I can , you know, meet up with friends and family, that was MUCH better.
If you want to have stuff open on sunday then make it so only REALLY essential things are open, make the minimum wage $20/hr for sundays. If you don't want your Wal-mart open bad enough to pay through the nose for staff, then stay closed on sunday and give them the day off.
I for one, would have loved "no sunday shopping" when I was working minimum wage. Nothing like being forced to work a 16 hour sunday. I mean, having a tuesday and thursday off instead of an actual weekend where I can , you know, meet up with friends and family, that was MUCH better.
If you want to have stuff open on sunday then make it so only REALLY essential things are open, make the minimum wage $20/hr for sundays. If you don't want your Wal-mart open bad enough to pay through the nose for staff, then stay closed on sunday and give them the day off.
