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Location: Ont, BC now
Location: Ont, BC now
July 9th, 2008, 07:54 PM
calm down, i didnt say all
Quoting Johnnny
Our government isnt so hard on the First Nations, alot get tax breaks, alot get imployed in exploration camps, alot can hunt and fish the land as they please and alot still have land they can do with as they please... until the government comes in and pushes them aside (diamond drillin?) I agree its still not fair, and in my experiences ive met more first nations who hated the government before they hated white people... but thats in my opinions and experiences
calm down, i didnt say all
No sparks please
Posts: 379
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba
July 9th, 2008, 10:21 PM
Is it possible to have a discussion on this site without attaching every real or imagined event to Bush and the American people? C'mon give it a try, give a response that doesn't include George Bush or Iraq. I dare you!
Quoting scratch
Oh well of course I should have known, it's George Bush and the American empire that are to blame.
Stevie has learned well from Georgie. Promise something to your advantage and when it works take it away. That's the way of politics.
Put some time into investigating how the Reform----now Conservative Party really works.
Put some time into investigating how the Reform----now Conservative Party really works.
Is it possible to have a discussion on this site without attaching every real or imagined event to Bush and the American people? C'mon give it a try, give a response that doesn't include George Bush or Iraq. I dare you!
No sparks please
Posts: 379
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba
July 9th, 2008, 11:09 PM
The old ways of the Aboriginal nations are precisely that, old ways, history, gone. Throughout human history and on every continent humans have evolved in their technologies and cultures by learning from others that had progressed further than them. From the first farming and animal domestication in the fertile crescent of the middle east and its spread throughout Europe, North Africa and Asia nations have adopted new methods and progressed. Once a nation found that it could feed itself and produce a surplus other technologies developed as people could now devote their time to being a carpenter or swordmaker etc and as history has shown the rest of it follows; villages, government, towns, cities, industry, etc. The fact that Europe and Asia developed quicker has nothing to do with which race lived there but everything to do with how fast new technology could be exchanged and they had 20,000 years and an area stretching from Europe to Asia in which to exchange ideas. Peoples who adopted and adapted survived and prospered. The last areas to be populated, the Americas only saw its first humans about 5,000 or so years ago, are also the last to be introduced to all the progress Europe and Asia has made.
Aboriginals will adapt and adopt and prosper but only if we stop paying them to sit on reserves and stay separate from the rest of the world to live their "old" ways. They have to get out and participate in the culture that surrounds them. It's happened thousands upon thousands of times in the past to countless civilizations and will continue to happen regardless of any effort to protect their culture.
The old ways of the Aboriginal nations are precisely that, old ways, history, gone. Throughout human history and on every continent humans have evolved in their technologies and cultures by learning from others that had progressed further than them. From the first farming and animal domestication in the fertile crescent of the middle east and its spread throughout Europe, North Africa and Asia nations have adopted new methods and progressed. Once a nation found that it could feed itself and produce a surplus other technologies developed as people could now devote their time to being a carpenter or swordmaker etc and as history has shown the rest of it follows; villages, government, towns, cities, industry, etc. The fact that Europe and Asia developed quicker has nothing to do with which race lived there but everything to do with how fast new technology could be exchanged and they had 20,000 years and an area stretching from Europe to Asia in which to exchange ideas. Peoples who adopted and adapted survived and prospered. The last areas to be populated, the Americas only saw its first humans about 5,000 or so years ago, are also the last to be introduced to all the progress Europe and Asia has made.
Aboriginals will adapt and adopt and prosper but only if we stop paying them to sit on reserves and stay separate from the rest of the world to live their "old" ways. They have to get out and participate in the culture that surrounds them. It's happened thousands upon thousands of times in the past to countless civilizations and will continue to happen regardless of any effort to protect their culture.
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Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
July 9th, 2008, 11:22 PM
5000 years you say? How do you account for petroglyphs depicting hunting parties and mammoths - a critter that died out in the last ice age? I agree the reserve has had its day. By now, we should have learned how to respect the land and live in harmony with Mother Earth.
Oops.... Guess we screwed up there too....
5000 years you say? How do you account for petroglyphs depicting hunting parties and mammoths - a critter that died out in the last ice age? I agree the reserve has had its day. By now, we should have learned how to respect the land and live in harmony with Mother Earth.
Oops.... Guess we screwed up there too....
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Posts: 379
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba
July 9th, 2008, 11:43 PM
You're right, 5,000 was way off, I just looked it up and they figure it was 12,000 years ago.
I don't necessarily agree with every bit of our progress and agree we're wrecking the house we live in but history is what it is.
Would anyone of any culture turn out any different if they were plunked down in a reserve with the occasional plane full of canned food, coke, and chips. Its well past the time to abolish reserves and the treaties that created them. Past policies have done nothing but created a culture of victims. There are hundreds of cultures in this country that thrive and still manage to pay taxes and buy their own homes.
You're right, 5,000 was way off, I just looked it up and they figure it was 12,000 years ago.
I don't necessarily agree with every bit of our progress and agree we're wrecking the house we live in but history is what it is.
Would anyone of any culture turn out any different if they were plunked down in a reserve with the occasional plane full of canned food, coke, and chips. Its well past the time to abolish reserves and the treaties that created them. Past policies have done nothing but created a culture of victims. There are hundreds of cultures in this country that thrive and still manage to pay taxes and buy their own homes.
