April 18th, 2008, 03:53 PM
Oh, and no.
Quoting darkbeaver
No. No they're not. No we don't. No no no.
It's spring Karrie, we get all musky and testosterony, it's breeding season for Canadians. They are acting like grown men, women love it.
Oh, and no.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,027 
Location: BC
Location: BC
April 18th, 2008, 04:53 PM
What the hell is your problem with me?
Quoting Zzarchov
Where the hell did you get that from? I quote sources all the time!?!?!
(you have plainly said you refuse to cite sources, meaning there is no point discussing anything with you as there is no way to analyze what you have said as rational or not),
What the hell is your problem with me?
Clever Clogs
Posts: 599
April 18th, 2008, 05:24 PM
I think its time that Canada and the people should begin to wonder about LONG TERM affects of oil crisis. Oil supplies are dwindling or just so costly, and world is demanding more oil than ever before. Canadians consume more natural gas AND oil per heads because our country is so stretch apart. When that oil peaks to $200 per barrel, its WE whose going to hurt the most, not just United States and EU. To this, I'm afraid that there's no absolute solution. We had our time and its time that our civilization should end soon.
Or, we could invest 50% of all our income into alternative resource and dramatically reduce our consumption of food and make agriculture local.
Yes, back to feudalism again...
I think its time that Canada and the people should begin to wonder about LONG TERM affects of oil crisis. Oil supplies are dwindling or just so costly, and world is demanding more oil than ever before. Canadians consume more natural gas AND oil per heads because our country is so stretch apart. When that oil peaks to $200 per barrel, its WE whose going to hurt the most, not just United States and EU. To this, I'm afraid that there's no absolute solution. We had our time and its time that our civilization should end soon.
Or, we could invest 50% of all our income into alternative resource and dramatically reduce our consumption of food and make agriculture local.
Yes, back to feudalism again...
Super Genius
Posts: 1,027
Location: BC
Location: BC
April 18th, 2008, 05:33 PM
Quoting YoungJoonKim
Hey, that's great! According to Alex Jones that's exactly what the elite want anyway.
Yes, back to feudalism again...
Jerk Extraordinaire
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Location: Atlantic Canada
Location: Atlantic Canada
April 21st, 2008, 09:54 AM
You basically told us to tell you how to save the planet in five lines or less..... exactly what serious responses were you expecting? Anything we'd explain in that limited space wouldn't be explained fully and clearly in that restricted limitation, and this wouldn't be satisfactory to you regardless, because like you not understanding our answers, we don't understand what you're looking for.
So once again, all you need to do is setup an example in your own words so we understand what you're looking for. But instead of doing that, which seems simple enough to me, you want to get the thread deleted?
Dude, put a little backbone into it and get the ball rolling.
Quoting johai
Holy smokes man, if you want to know how a simple question can be morphed into something like nuclear weapons and "Non-Specific" statements, then don't setup the thread limitations like you did.
....How does such a simple query morph into nuclear weapons and other non-specific statements?
If you are able withdraw the question and ----please do it, if not I will not go to the cage!
Respectfully as always,
Johai
If you are able withdraw the question and ----please do it, if not I will not go to the cage!
Respectfully as always,
Johai
You basically told us to tell you how to save the planet in five lines or less..... exactly what serious responses were you expecting? Anything we'd explain in that limited space wouldn't be explained fully and clearly in that restricted limitation, and this wouldn't be satisfactory to you regardless, because like you not understanding our answers, we don't understand what you're looking for.
So once again, all you need to do is setup an example in your own words so we understand what you're looking for. But instead of doing that, which seems simple enough to me, you want to get the thread deleted?
Dude, put a little backbone into it and get the ball rolling.
Time Out
Posts: 203
Location: Canada - Golden Triangle
Location: Canada - Golden Triangle
April 21st, 2008, 11:53 AM
I appreciate your comments but for now I am other wise occupied. I tried to pull a "triple play post ploy" and it backfired on me. I should have made it a clear three point post putting maximum emphasis on the plight of working Canadians.
Still learning.
Regards,
Johai
Quoting Praxius
Praxius,
Explain the point then, or else everybody is going to.
I appreciate your comments but for now I am other wise occupied. I tried to pull a "triple play post ploy" and it backfired on me. I should have made it a clear three point post putting maximum emphasis on the plight of working Canadians.
Still learning.
Regards,
Johai
Jerk Extraordinaire
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Location: Atlantic Canada
Location: Atlantic Canada
April 21st, 2008, 01:44 PM
Well like I said before, the only logical solution that removes most of the current problems of today's life is to remove currency/monies and switch the country back to a more internal and self substaining structure.
Well like I said before, the only logical solution that removes most of the current problems of today's life is to remove currency/monies and switch the country back to a more internal and self substaining structure.
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 2,769
April 21st, 2008, 01:49 PM
Barter was not self-sustaining, it was far less so than currency.
There is a reason people switched to currency in the first place. Perhaps you mean in terms of national boundries it was self sufficient, the problem being no one knows, because there were no national boundries.
In Barter self sufficiency is far less likely, and trade between regions is even more critical and widespread. Efficiency is lower and waste was widespread.
Barter was not self-sustaining, it was far less so than currency.
There is a reason people switched to currency in the first place. Perhaps you mean in terms of national boundries it was self sufficient, the problem being no one knows, because there were no national boundries.
In Barter self sufficiency is far less likely, and trade between regions is even more critical and widespread. Efficiency is lower and waste was widespread.
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Location: Atlantic Canada
Location: Atlantic Canada
April 21st, 2008, 02:11 PM
Among many other examples which can be made, Currency as I see it is like one big festering hard drive that's been fragmenting for a long period of time..... no matter how many defrags you do, eventually you're going to need to reformat.
How many more depressions/recessions do we need to go through to realize that this system isn't going to work either?
For the most part, Currency has taking the spot light for centuries as being the system that works, but I imagine that if we took what we learned over the centuries and implimented changes and revamp Barter to something more updated.... perhaps a hybrid between concepts in currency and barter, one could thus remove many complications we face everyday in our lives now and have a new system which works better. Civilizations have trived on barter along for a long time and kept everything in those cultures substainable.
"Barter is a type of trade in which goods or services are directly exchanged for other goods and/or services, without the use of money. It can be bilateral or multilateral, and usually exists parallel to monetary systems in most developed countries, though to a very limited extent. Barter usually replaces money as the method of exchange in times of monetary crisis, when the currency is unstable and devalued by hyperinflation."
In some cases, when Currency goes all to hell, Barter is what everybody uses as backup for the most part.
"In the past, goods were to be exchanged in the goods of another without considering of its money value. To organize production and to distribute goods and services among their populations, many pre-capitalist or pre-market economies relied on tradition, top-down command, or community democracy instead of market exchange organised using barter. Relations of reciprocity and/or redistribution substituted for market exchange. Trade and barter were primarily reserved for trade between communities or countries. It is also used when the monetary system failed to measure the economic value of goods."
"It is used on important transactions between firms or countries to exchange commodities, when monetary constraints are too expensive for the economic actors."
"A well-known example of multilateral trade is the triangular trade."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barter
triangular trade:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangular_trade
*shrugs*
But nobody wants to do that. It's completely possible since it's been done on small and large scale examples through history.... but most would think it'd be too much of a headache to revamp what we've already have been using for so long, that it'd be easier to just suck up the flawed system we have now and hope for the best.
Quoting Zzarchov
Only because it hasn't been looked at or attempted to be improved apon since currency became the normal way of controlling trade by those ruling their areas. There are plenty of problems with Currency as is, and isn't anymore self-sustaining then Barter, as it is continually inflated each year with patch work to make the system work for a bit longer. The cost of things keep going up faster then minimum wage can match, and even when you're not at a minimum wage level and put on salary like myself, and you don't get a review or raise for a period of time such as one year.... although Minimum Wage has gone up 6% twice in one year, my pay has remained the same, thereby I'm continually losing out as time goes by while those at minimum wage gradually increase.
Barter was not self-sustaining, it was far less so than currency.
Among many other examples which can be made, Currency as I see it is like one big festering hard drive that's been fragmenting for a long period of time..... no matter how many defrags you do, eventually you're going to need to reformat.
How many more depressions/recessions do we need to go through to realize that this system isn't going to work either?
Quote:
In older societies which were not developed decently, nor were at our level of devlopment that we are at today, I agree that things were probably crap, wasteful, unbalanced and the sort. How well has currency fared in comparison to the amount of study in both concepts and practices to improve each?
There is a reason people switched to currency in the first place. Perhaps you mean in terms of national boundries it was self sufficient, the problem being no one knows, because there were no national boundries.
In Barter self sufficiency is far less likely, and trade between regions is even more critical and widespread. Efficiency is lower and waste was widespread.
In Barter self sufficiency is far less likely, and trade between regions is even more critical and widespread. Efficiency is lower and waste was widespread.
For the most part, Currency has taking the spot light for centuries as being the system that works, but I imagine that if we took what we learned over the centuries and implimented changes and revamp Barter to something more updated.... perhaps a hybrid between concepts in currency and barter, one could thus remove many complications we face everyday in our lives now and have a new system which works better. Civilizations have trived on barter along for a long time and kept everything in those cultures substainable.
"Barter is a type of trade in which goods or services are directly exchanged for other goods and/or services, without the use of money. It can be bilateral or multilateral, and usually exists parallel to monetary systems in most developed countries, though to a very limited extent. Barter usually replaces money as the method of exchange in times of monetary crisis, when the currency is unstable and devalued by hyperinflation."
In some cases, when Currency goes all to hell, Barter is what everybody uses as backup for the most part.
"In the past, goods were to be exchanged in the goods of another without considering of its money value. To organize production and to distribute goods and services among their populations, many pre-capitalist or pre-market economies relied on tradition, top-down command, or community democracy instead of market exchange organised using barter. Relations of reciprocity and/or redistribution substituted for market exchange. Trade and barter were primarily reserved for trade between communities or countries. It is also used when the monetary system failed to measure the economic value of goods."
"It is used on important transactions between firms or countries to exchange commodities, when monetary constraints are too expensive for the economic actors."
"A well-known example of multilateral trade is the triangular trade."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barter
triangular trade:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangular_trade
*shrugs*
But nobody wants to do that. It's completely possible since it's been done on small and large scale examples through history.... but most would think it'd be too much of a headache to revamp what we've already have been using for so long, that it'd be easier to just suck up the flawed system we have now and hope for the best.
