Opium Wars: PM rejects Chinese request to remove 'offensive' poppies during visit

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British Prime Minister David Cameron has rejected requests by the Chinese for him to remove his "offensive" poppy - as it reminds the Chinese of the Opium Wars, as poppies are used to make the drug.

Britain and China fought two wars against each other - the first from 1839 to 1842 and the second from 1856 to 1860 - over opium, and both ended in defeats for the Chinese.

The first war broke out because British merchants smuggled opium into China from British India in defiance of Chinese prohibition laws). Further disputes over the treatment of British merchants in Chinese ports resulted in the Second Opium War. It ended when the British razed the Emperor's Palace in Peking (now Beijing) to the ground.

China was defeated in both wars, leaving its government having to tolerate the opium trade. Britain gained, amongst other things, Hong Kong, which it had until 1997.

But, unlike in Britain, the wars are very much remembered in China and this year marks the 150th anniversary of the end of the second war.

But, despite requests by the Chinese, Mr Cameron, who is attending a ceremony in South Korea tomorrow to mark November 11, refused to remove his poppy, as did Chancellor George Osborne, Business Secretary Vince Cable, Energy Secretary Chris Huhne and Education Secretary Michael Gove, who are all accompanying the Prime Minister in China.

Meanwhile, Mr Cameron - who is in China to encourage the world's second largest economy to buy British - took time out from official business during his visit to Beijing today to take a trip to the Great Wall of China.

The Prime Minister climbed a section of the wall at Juyong Pass, north of Beijing.

Signing his name in the visitors' book, the PM said the visit was a 'memorable' experience he would never forget.

The Prime Minister later visited the nearby Machikou Central Primary School, where he presented teachers and pupils with a 'seed rod' from the UK Pavilion at this year's Shanghai World Expo.

The pavilion - nicknamed the Dandelion - featured 60,000 rods containing seeds from the Millennium Seed Bank. It won the gold medal and received 8 million visitors, making it the most popular pavilion.

Britain was the world's mightiest economic power at the time of the Opium Wars, but soon it will be China overtaking the US.

David Cameron rejects Chinese request to remove 'offensive' poppies during visit

By James Chapman
10th November 2010
Daily Mail


The British defeated the Chinese in both opium wars - and the Chinese haven't forgotten. (Above) A British warship (on the right of the picture) can be seen as a Chinese ship is destroyed

David Cameron and four Cabinet ministers wore poppies in defiance of Chinese demands to remove them yesterday.

The Prime Minister was told that allowing his delegation to sport the symbol would cause grave offence because it would remind Chinese ministers and officials of the Opium Wars.

Also known as the Anglo-Chinese Wars, they were the climax of trade disputes between China and the British Empire over Chinese attempts to restrict British opium trafficking.


Wall visit: David Cameron is pictured with Chinese school children at the Great Wall north of Beijing, China

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Poppy wearers: David Cameron drinks a toast with Education Secretary Michael Gove (left), Business Secretary Vince Cable (2nd left) and Chancellor George Osborne at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing

China was defeated in both the First Opium War, from 1839 to 1842 and the Second Opium War from 1856 to 1860.

This year marks the 150th anniversary of the end of the second war, which ended when British and French armies arrived in Peking and razed the Emperor's Palace to the ground.

The British victories in both conflicts apparently still weigh heavy on Chinese minds, since the prospect of British ministers and officials wearing poppies while attending this week's talks in Beijing prompted horror.

The poppy is the source of opium and Chinese officials were apparently unfamiliar with its importance in Britain in commemorating our war dead.

Mr Cameron, who is attending a ceremony in South Korea tomorrow to mark November 11, refused to remove his poppy, as did Chancellor George Osborne, Business Secretary Vince Cable, Energy Secretary Chris Huhne and Education Secretary Michael Gove, who are all accompanying the Prime Minister in China.

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Impressed: The Prime Minister climbed a section of the wall at Juyong Pass, north of Beijing

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Mr Cameron is shown the Great Wall of China by students from Beijing on the second of a two day trip to China


The Prime Minister waves to cameramen as he walks with the students earlier today

'When asked if it was a joke, the Chinese were stern-faced and said "No, we'd like you to remove them",' said one startled British aide.

'Clearly that was not an option so we tried to explain the importance of the poppy in Britain and informed them we would be wearing them all the same.'

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Mr Cameron later met a group of young Chinese environmental activists from the Roots and Shoots movement which is launching a climate change initiative

Meanwhile, Mr Cameron took time out from official business during his visit to Beijing today to take a trip to the Great Wall of China.

The Prime Minister climbed a section of the wall at Juyong Pass, north of Beijing.


Signing his name in the visitors' book, the PM said the visit was a 'memorable' experience he would never forget.

Mr Cameron met a group of young Chinese environmental activists from the Roots and Shoots movement which is launching a climate change initiative inspired by the UK's 10:10 campaign to cut carbon emissions by 10% a year from 2010.

Roots and Shoots, which was started in the UK by United Nations peace ambassador Jane Goodall, aims to encourage individuals to play their part in protecting the environment.

The young activists told Mr Cameron about their plans for a 10:11 initiative in China to make carbon cuts in 2011, which they were launching today - the 10th day of the 11th month.

The Prime Minister later visited the nearby Machikou Central Primary School, where he presented teachers and pupils with a 'seed rod' from the UK Pavilion at this year's Shanghai World Expo.

The pavilion - nicknamed the Dandelion - featured 60,000 rods containing seeds from the Millennium Seed Bank.

Following the conclusion of the Expo - at which the UK Pavilion won a gold medal and was visited by 8 million people - the British Council are sending 1,000 rods to schools across China for use as a tool in teaching biodiversity.

At the Machikou school, Mr Cameron joined the children for an environmental studies lesson, helping them sort flashcards in Chinese and English characters.


The British pavilion at this year's Shanghai World Expo was the most popular and received the gold medal.

The school uses material from the British Council Climate Generation programme, which in the last three years has worked with nearly 1,000 schools across China, impacting on an estimated 500,000 children.

As the Prime Minister left he was serenaded by the school's orchestra playing traditional Chinese instruments.

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Mr Cameron meets with Chinese school children at the Machikou Central Primary school, north of Beijing

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Mr Cameron was serenaded by the school's orchestra playing traditional Chinese instruments

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"Lest we forget! Lest we forget!"

Looks like the vets of the Opium Wars have been well forgotten.
 

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But seeing that he was in China, don't you think it would have been more appropriate to pay respects to the vets of the Chinese front rather than those of the Western front? After all, China's kind of far from Flanders' fields, don't you think? And seeing how little remembrance we've given the vets of the Opium Wars, perhaps this could have been a chance to honour the Chinese and British vets of the Opium Wars alongisde the Chinese. A chance to put that ugly past behind them. Also, I'm sure even the British vets of the Opium Wars, considering what they were fighting for, would like to see their country show China a little more humility for what was done to it.

But again...

"Lest we forget" seems to have become an emply word for him, the poppy just being a knee jerk reaction to social expectations rather than a true symbol of remembrance. Obviously anyone who'd actually put some thought behind the spirit of remembrance rather than just the outward appearance of the poppy would have recognized that the poppy would not be an appropriate symbol of remembrance for British soldiers who'd died in China during the Opium Wars. And seeing where he was, it would make sense to take those sholdiers into account in his hact of remembrance.
 

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But seeing that he was in China, don't you think it would have been more appropriate to pay respects to the vets of the Chinese front rather than those of the Western front? After all, China's kind of far from Flanders' fields, don't you think? And seeing how little remembrance we've given the vets of the Opium Wars, perhaps this could have been a chance to honour the Chinese and British vets of the Opium Wars alongisde the Chinese. A chance to put that ugly past behind them. Also, I'm sure even the British vets of the Opium Wars, considering what they were fighting for, would like to see their country show China a little more humility for what was done to it.

But again...

"Lest we forget" seems to have become an emply word for him, the poppy just being a knee jerk reaction to social expectations rather than a true symbol of remembrance. Obviously anyone who'd actually put some thought behind the spirit of remembrance rather than just the outward appearance of the poppy would have recognized that the poppy would not be an appropriate symbol of remembrance for British soldiers who'd died in China during the Opium Wars. And seeing where he was, it would make sense to take those sholdiers into account in his hact of remembrance.

Where he is/was is of no matter. The poppy he wears is in memory/honour of the British who have fought in recent & past wars. Phuck China and their ohh so sensitive feelings.
 

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The poppy is a tradition of the Roman Legions and worship of Morpheus but if you want it to be British and ignore the truth go right ahead but keep in mind it is still pagan worship.
 

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The poppy is a tradition of the Roman Legions and worship of Morpheus but if you want it to be British and ignore the truth go right ahead but keep in mind it is still pagan worship.

Regardless of the origin, it is obviously worn "now" by the British in honor of their fallen. Same context if the Chinese told our PM not to worry a poppy.
 

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To me the poppy has become a symbol of our invasion of Afghanistan and the massive increase in the world opium and heroine supply. Brings tears to my eyes.
 

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Were you only born 10 years ago?
My dad was in WW11. I was born 9 months to the day of his glorious return - boinked my mom right on the dock. His body came back but his heart was dead. Incapable of emotion, he held onto the horror of what he experienced until, occasionally, he would erupt into violence. Nobody was safe. So don't pretend to lecture me on the glories of war. There is nothing glorious in being dead, even if you are still walking around. I feel sorry that they were so brainwashed into giving up their lives for the benefit of corporate greed, but I do not buy into the bull that they died for our freedom.
 

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My dad was in WW11. I was born 9 months to the day of his glorious return - boinked my mom right on the dock. His body came back but his heart was dead. Incapable of emotion, he held onto the horror of what he experienced until, occasionally, he would erupt into violence. Nobody was safe. So don't pretend to lecture me on the glories of war. There is nothing glorious in being dead, even if you are still walking around. I feel sorry that they were so brainwashed into giving up their lives for the benefit of corporate greed, but I do not buy into the bull that they died for our freedom.

Well, Cliffy. Regardless of what you think they died for, they died fighting on our behalf. Soldiers don't get to pick their battles, they fight where they are told to.

Your lack of respect is suiting for you, you wear it nearly as well as the tin foil hat you also wear.
 

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Well, Cliffy. Regardless of what you think they died for, they died fighting on our behalf. Soldiers don't get to pick their battles, they fight where they are told to.

Your lack of respect is suiting for you, you wear it nearly as well as the tin foil hat you also wear.
You are entitled to your opinion.
 

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A decent and honourable person who was born 9 months to the day of his father's returning from the war would have said that his mom and dad had a happy reunion.

A liberal must demean a (presumably) loving relationship, even at the expense of his own birth.

Figures!
 

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Where he is/was is of no matter. The poppy he wears is in memory/honour of the British who have fought in recent & past wars. Phuck China and their ohh so sensitive feelings.


Weren't the British who fought in the Opium Wars 'British who have fought in recent and past wars"? I wonder what they'd think of how, after having had their sense of duty exploited by their government to fight such an unjust war over opium in china, that today their same government still can't acknowledge what it's done and show the appropriate respct for the veterans, both British and Chinese (as I'm sure they're on the same side now that they're not walking this earth anymore) of the Opium Wars by not wearing a poppy, bearing those conditions in mind. That's just a matter of respect. Those vets wre british too, just like those of later wars, no?

How conveniently forgotten.
 

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Weren't the British who fought in the Opium Wars 'British who have fought in recent and past wars"? I wonder what they'd think of how, after having had their sense of duty exploited by their government to fight such an unjust war over opium in china, that today their same government still can't acknowledge what it's done and show the appropriate respct for the veterans, both British and Chinese (as I'm sure they're on the same side now that they're not walking this earth anymore) of the Opium Wars by not wearing a poppy, bearing those conditions in mind. That's just a matter of respect. Those vets wre british too, just like those of later wars, no?

How conveniently forgotten.

What's your point?

I'm sure the Chinese have a similar day when they cheer for their commie brethren that killed our allies during the Korean War.

The Prime Minister of Britain should not under any circumstances remove his poppy over Chinese sensitivities. The Chinese need to grow up and grow a set of nuts.
 

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What's your point?

British veterans of the Opium Wars are veterans too.

I'm sure the Chinese have a similar day when they cheer for their commie brethren that killed our allies during the Korean War.

China was a monarchy at the time. What does the current regime have to do withthis? Read up on your history.

The Prime Minister of Britain should not under any circumstances remove his poppy over Chinese sensitivities. The Chinese need to grow up and grow a set of nuts.

It's not just about Chinese sensitivities, but also as a matter of respect for the veterans of the Opium Wars, in which the British were also involved.
 

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A decent and honourable person who was born 9 months to the day of his father's returning from the war would have said that his mom and dad had a happy reunion.

A liberal must demean a (presumably) loving relationship, even at the expense of his own birth.

Figures!
Jack, you don't know what you are talking about, as usual. My mom told me that she almost ran away because she did not recognize the man she saw that day, she did not know who he was. She had sex with him because it was her "duty", just like it was his "duty" to go to war to protect the king of England and to get his rocks off with his wife because he was a good catholic. Love had nothing to do with any of it.

You would only accept that someone was homourable if he thought the way you do and scorn to anybody who was not a rabid conservative.
 

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Why didn't Yukon Jack sign up for the Canadian Army the minute he turned 18? Would it be because being in the army was why he ran from E. Europa in the first place?