Another Islamic wacko flog n execute

[Kreskin]

The Press Association: Adultery woman 'may be killed soon'

Why do we give any respect to Islam and the nutjobs who endorse this stuff?

The guy in Florida proposing a burn the Quran day is on to something.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

The scientific revolution of Newton, Galileo, Copernicus et al, proved that religion does not exist. The age of magic ended, yet it lingers on in institutions like govt. No religion should get any tax break whatsoever in Canada. They can be reclassified as secular volunteer charities like the dog pound or animal shelters. Their bogus moral authority and attention in the media needs to be curtailed.

Being part of a religion should be being part of a chess club.

 

[Bcool]

The Press Association: Adultery woman 'may be killed soon'

Why do we give any respect to Islam and the nutjobs who endorse this stuff?

The guy in Florida proposing a burn the Quran day is on to something.

Whoa! This is beyond sickening, its religion/ideology gone insane. Unbearable to think of this poor woman's suffering.

BUT This was going on in Afghanistan for years after the Taliban took over. I remember the web site run by a group of women at severe risk to themselves and their families, showing pictures of the beatings, stonings, forced marriages... They were pleading with the world to intervene, the UN to do something, anything, no-one did... Until 9/11. :-(

Another BUT: It's not all Islam, far from it. Burning the Quran would be like burning all the bibles because David Korech used it to legitimize his atrocities at Waco or because the bible was used by Jim Jones to legitimize his atrocities at Jonestown. Or bombing the Vatican because of pedophile priests.

Iran is over 90% Twelver Shia Islam, not Sunni. That 90% represents only 37% of the total global Shia population which consists of only 10 to 15% of the entire Muslim population.

So if you really want to make a whole bunch of Muslims angry, burn their Quran over the sicko doings of only about 10–15% of the entire Muslim population that they don't like very much. Whereas, why not call it what it is - a crime against humanity & haul Ali Khamenei's, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's and Mohammad-Reza Rahimi's asses to the World Court at The Hague? If we all harrassed the hell out of our MP's, Senators, GG & PM here, 'mericans their Congresswo/men and Senators and Pres., and the Brit's did much the same as us, I think we'd get somewhere. Sure Ahmadinejad's gonna wave what looks like a nuke around, but he's not going to light the fuse as long as he's holding it - if he's got one at all. Religion or not, laws or not, both have been wrong many times and evil has been done in their name. This is evil. But you've got to root out the actual evil doers & smack them around until they give up & shut up, not a whole religion.

The persecution of Shias throughout history by Sunni co-religionists has often been characterized by brutal and genocidal acts. Comprising only about 10–15% of the entire Muslim population, to this day, the Shia remain a marginalized community in many Sunni Arab dominant countries without the rights to practice their religion and organize. Which appears to be a very good thing IMO. I only wish the moderate Muslims would step in and put a stop to this insanity rather than pretending its not happening or sorta, kinda going along with it while tsk, tsk'ing in public.

Twelver Imami Shia Islam or the Ithnā‘ashariyyah' is the largest branch of Shī‘ī Islam. An adherent of Twelver Shī‘ism is most commonly referred to as a Twelver, which is derived from their belief in twelve divinely ordained leaders, known as The Twelve Imams. Approximately 85% of Shi'a are Twelvers, representing the largest branch of the Shī‘ah, and the term Shi'a Muslim usually refers to Twelver Shi'a Muslims only.

The Twelver faith is predominantly found in Iran (90%), Iraq (65%), Azerbaijan (85%), Lebanon (35%), Kuwait (35%), Turkey (25%), Saudi Arabia (10–15%), Bahrain (80%) and forms a large minority in Pakistan (10–15%) and Afghanistan (18%). Pakistan has the second largest Shia Twelver population after Iran.
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[dumpthemonarchy]

Shia, Sunni, no big diff. In Suuni Saudi Arabia women have few rights, the place of primitive Wahabbis. Shia are just as bad. The Muslim religion like all religions is just out of date.

The govt needs to take administrative measures to reduce its footprint in the country.

 

[Colpy]

The scientific revolution of Newton, Galileo, Copernicus et al, proved that religion does not exist. The age of magic ended, yet it lingers on in institutions like govt. No religion should get any tax break whatsoever in Canada. They can be reclassified as secular volunteer charities like the dog pound or animal shelters. Their bogus moral authority and attention in the media needs to be curtailed.

Being part of a religion should be being part of a chess club.

As I've told you before.....Sir Isaac Newton was extremely religious, he wrote extensively to John Locke and others on religious philosophy. A Diest in a time when such beliefs were dangerous........his religious views were carefully considered.

Galileo was a devout Catholic until the end of his life, despite his clashes with the Pope and the Inquisition........

Copernicus, fer crying out loud, was a Canon in the Catholic church.......

So your contention can only be dismissed as contradictory........... You can not on the one hand fall to you knees in admiration of the great minds of history that drove scientific achievement......and in the next breath scorn the fact that they were all, each and every one, not only believers in a time of believers.....but devoutly religious. Their belief in God was not at odds with their belief in the physical systems that made the universe tick along so efficiently.......

The contention that these men proved the non-existence of God is simply ignorant. Each one of them considered their scientific inquiry and discovery to be proof of the hand of God...........

Your determination to carry on this argument in the face of the greatest minds in modern time doesn't speak well for your own powers of logic.

Give it up.

Make your argument without insulting these long-dead gentlemen.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Oh, I dunno. I take the long view. The Old Testament prescribes stoning to death for adulterers (but only female ones), and similarly nasty consequences for people who work on the Sabbath, or wear clothing made of two different kinds of fabrics, or plant two different crops in the same field. There are, if my memory is correct, 613 prescriptions for correct behaviour in Leviticus and Deuteronomy, and a lot of them involve things like that. Got a stubborn and rebellious son? The men of the city should gather and stone him to death. I had a stubborn and rebellious son once, now he's a very successful officer in the Canadian Navy. Christian scripture is no less awful than Islamic scripture in terms of the punishments it prescribes for what in modern terms are trivial transgressions, but Christianity's about 600 years older than Islam and 600 years ago it wasn't behaving any better than fundamentalist Islam is now, it just didn't have modern technology. Islam will evolve, as Christianity did, because of secular resistance to its excesses, and it's starting. Read Salmon Rushdie, Irshad Manji... the seeds are there, they'll grow. But there'll be some ugly times in the meantime.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

As I've told you before.....Sir Isaac Newton was extremely religious, he wrote extensively to John Locke and others on religious philosophy. A Diest in a time when such beliefs were dangerous........his religious views were carefully considered.

Galileo was a devout Catholic until the end of his life, despite his clashes with the Pope and the Inquisition........

Copernicus, fer crying out loud, was a Canon in the Catholic church.......

So your contention can only be dismissed as contradictory........... You can not on the one hand fall to you knees in admiration of the great minds of history that drove scientific achievement......and in the next breath scorn the fact that they were all, each and every one, not only believers in a time of believers.....but devoutly religious. Their belief in God was not at odds with their belief in the physical systems that made the universe tick along so efficiently.......

The contention that these men proved the non-existence of God is simply ignorant. Each one of them considered their scientific inquiry and discovery to be proof of the hand of God...........

Your determination to carry on this argument in the face of the greatest minds in modern time doesn't speak well for your own powers of logic.

Give it up.

Make your argument without insulting these long-dead gentlemen.

John Maynard Keynes called Newton the "Last of the magicians." He is a bridge from ancient Mesopotamia to the modern world he was instrumental in creating.

Everyone knows in those days that all these guys were religious, everyone was. However, what they were doing was pursuing knowledge to whereever it led them. They did not stop and say, "Gee, does God want me to do this?" Is this anit-religious?

What they started they did not entirely understand and it took others to continue their work, which hasn't stopped. No longer do politicians or serious people talk of "God's will" because they cannot prove it. Scientific proof came out of the scientific revolution. Test your hypothesis, if it fails, so does your idea because it does not exist in the material world we live in.

Heaven, angels, miracles, hell? Prove them. I'm waiting.

 

[MHz]

Or bombing the Vatican because of pedophile priests.

Shouldn't that by itself be enough to zip the lips of the 'West' as we aren't demanding death following public castration for the Priests. The normal compensation is a payout under the table and that is about the whole extent of the punishment.

 

[TenPenny]

The Press Association: Adultery woman 'may be killed soon'

Why do we give any respect to Islam and the nutjobs who endorse this stuff?

The guy in Florida proposing a burn the Quran day is on to something.

In case you weren't aware, the US executes people for what it considers crimes, too.

 

[Colpy]

In case you weren't aware, the US executes people for what it considers crimes, too.

Ahh, yes....but in the USA you get a trial first.

Not a stand-up in front of a bunch of misogynist clerical loonies, who probably are nursing boners under the table while they sentence young teenage girls to be stripped to the waist and whipped for such onerous imaginary crimes as eating an ice cream in a provocative manner.

I kid you not.

from the book "Reading Lolita in Tehran"

Hardly a fair comparison.

 

[TenPenny]

Ahh, yes....but in the USA you get a trial first.

Not a stand-up in front of a bunch of misogynist clerical loonies, who probably are nursing boners under the table while they sentence young teenage girls to be stripped to the waist and whipped for such onerous imaginary crimes as eating an ice cream in a provocative manner.

I kid you not.

from the book "Reading Lolita in Tehran"

Hardly a fair comparison.

Fair? Who said anything about fair? I thought this thread was to condemn a complete religion based on people's actions in one country. I didn't realize it was about logic and fairness and thinking.

 

[Colpy]

John Maynard Keynes called Newton the "Last of the magicians." He is a bridge from ancient Mesopotamia to the modern world he was instrumental in creating.

Everyone knows in those days that all these guys were religious, everyone was. However, what they were doing was pursuing knowledge to whereever it led them. They did not stop and say, "Gee, does God want me to do this?" Is this anit-religious?

What they started they did not entirely understand and it took others to continue their work, which hasn't stopped. No longer do politicians or serious people talk of "God's will" because they cannot prove it. Scientific proof came out of the scientific revolution. Test your hypothesis, if it fails, so does your idea because it does not exist in the material world we live in.

Heaven, angels, miracles, hell? Prove them. I'm waiting.

You should really quit with the generalizations.........

I found a survey of scientists and philosophers, and yes, 52% denied any religious affiliation at all......the other 48%?????

Scientists May Not Be Very Religious, but Science May Not Be to Blame

Oh, and while we are at it, argue with Einstein:

Famous Scientists Who Believed in God

And still more.....a list of Christian scientists that extends into the modern day:

List of Christian thinkers in science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The proof of the existence of God is all around you; just open your eyes.

 

[CUBert]

Not surprised racist and bigot Kreskin thinks burn the Qu'ran day is a good idea.

 

[DaSleeper]

What is it with the politically correct, that they feel the need to bend over and give concessions to every religion except Christians or Judaism....

 

[CUBert]

What are you accomplishing by burning the Qu'ran other than pissing off a bunch of Muslims and putting lives of Americans in danger abroad?
No one agrees with these idiotic Evangelists other than racists and intolerant assholes.

It puts troops in jeopardy and undermines what the Americans are trying to accomplish in Afghanistan

 

[DaSleeper]

What are you accomplishing by burning the Qu'ran other than pissing off a bunch of Muslims and putting lives of Americans in danger abroad?
No one agrees with these idiotic Evangelists other than racists and intolerant assholes.

It puts troops in jeopardy and undermines what the Americans are trying to accomplish in Afghanistan

There you go...resorting to name calling proving the following....

What is it with the politically correct, that they feel the need to bend over and give concessions to every religion except Christians or Judaism....

 

[CUBert]

Wow what a convincing argument

 

[earth_as_one]

I am not in favor of treating religions differently. I'm agnostic, yet I have no problems with religious institutions getting tax breaks and preferential consideration, provided that they are involved in the community and providing charitable services. That would describe Christianity, Judaism, Islam and probably every other major religion in Canada.

Why is it that Christian right, that they feel that treating all religions equally is really bending over and giving concessions to Islam?

 

[lone wolf]

I am not in favor of treating religions differently. I'm agnostic, yet I have no problems with religious institutions getting tax breaks and preferential consideration, provided that they are involved in the community and providing charitable services. That would describe Christianity, Judaism, Islam and probably every other major religion in Canada.

Why is it that Christian right, that they feel that treating all religions equally is really bending over and giving concessions to Islam?

Because the Lord helps they who help themselves....

It's tough to help yourself to anything when there's so much darned competition.