If the accusations that the Canadian Armed Forces were complicit with handing over Afghans for torture are true, do you actually care for the Afghans or is it just a good excuse to make political points?
Do you actually care if Afghans were tortured?
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I personally don't care if the Afghans torture each other, there should be a reasonable effort on our part to ensure it doesn't happen but that's it. We cannot control the process from a to z.
I don't think Afghans torturing Afghans is even the problem. That we are there supporting their puppet government is the problem. Time to leave the Afghans to their own devices. We had no business being there. Our agreement with the Yanks should be scrapped and pull out of NATO.
Wait a second.. I thought Afghans killing Afghans was one of the main reasons the for extending this mission from 2009 to 2011 and our men and women fighting there.
To ensure those poor people where not being killed for unjust reasons ?
We all know the original reason was to get Osama ( and get rid of the Taliban ) for 9/11 but where is Waldo ( Umm I mean Osama ) and why have we not caught him yet ?
So my answer is YES I do care. Mainly due to all the lose of Canadian lives in Afghanistan and the main reason we are there as to bring back CIVILITY to the country.. Allowing us to hand over prisoners we caught to people we know will tortured and be killed is against everything we are there for..
To ensure those poor people where not being killed for unjust reasons ?
We all know the original reason was to get Osama ( and get rid of the Taliban ) for 9/11 but where is Waldo ( Umm I mean Osama ) and why have we not caught him yet ?
So my answer is YES I do care. Mainly due to all the lose of Canadian lives in Afghanistan and the main reason we are there as to bring back CIVILITY to the country.. Allowing us to hand over prisoners we caught to people we know will tortured and be killed is against everything we are there for..
I'm with Francis on this one( don't have a heart attack Francis), but not nesasarily for the same reasons. No one should be tortured, and if we are handing over "our" prisoners to an organization or government that is then torturing them then we are complicit in that torture and have now lowered ourselves to the level of those we are fighting.
Well, sheeeeeit; looks like I'm with Francis and Gerry. Good company far's I'm concerned.
We are totally complicit, and muy generalisimo who saw and heard nothing is so full of shyte his eyes is brown. EVERYBODY KNEW!!!
He has a great future in politics.
And this was a guy I really believed had some balls. Nothing but another stooge.
Dunno, they hold up the golden carrot and anyone will say anything???
Woops, forgot to answer the question. No, I don't care if they get hung by the nuts by fellow Afghans. But, let's not get all ooooh and ahhhh if the Taliban do this to ours. And we shouldn't hand them over knowing they will be tortured. Lettem catch their own prisoners............:lol::lol:
We are totally complicit, and muy generalisimo who saw and heard nothing is so full of shyte his eyes is brown. EVERYBODY KNEW!!!
He has a great future in politics.
And this was a guy I really believed had some balls. Nothing but another stooge.
Dunno, they hold up the golden carrot and anyone will say anything???
Woops, forgot to answer the question. No, I don't care if they get hung by the nuts by fellow Afghans. But, let's not get all ooooh and ahhhh if the Taliban do this to ours. And we shouldn't hand them over knowing they will be tortured. Lettem catch their own prisoners............:lol::lol:
I have to challenge you on this one......it seems everybody forgets the point of us going to Afghanistan. The reason we are in Afghanistan is to prevent the Taliban from re-taking the country and once again turning it into a refuge, training centre, and staging area for terrorists plotting attacks against the West.
Stability and human rights were hopeful side effects of that policy, allowing a friendly Afghanistan to stand alone. That has not happened.
Do I care about Afghans being tortured?
YES. For a number of reasons, first of which is it is a monstrous practice, one that should never be tolerated.
Secondly, because if innocents captured by Canadians were tortured, it damages the trust that must be built between Afghan and Canadian for the area to be pacified.
Thirdly, it damages our international reputation, if we are a party to such practises.
Fourthly, it undermines domestic faith in our governments, both Conservative and Liberal.
We need to establish a Canadian detention centre.........now.....even if it means sending additional personal. Roll out the razor wire, set up a camp.......
What Colpy said. And I'd also add that turning people over knowing they will be tortured is a war crime, no different in principle from doing the torturing ourselves.
But let's not be naive. We capture people from a corrupt society of mediaeval warlords and hand them over to another one only marginally less bad, what should we expect to happen? The NATO leaders must have known that going in, what offends me most about this is everybody pretending otherwise, and shooting the messenger.
But let's not be naive. We capture people from a corrupt society of mediaeval warlords and hand them over to another one only marginally less bad, what should we expect to happen? The NATO leaders must have known that going in, what offends me most about this is everybody pretending otherwise, and shooting the messenger.
What's there to challenge ?
I made it clear our first reason for being there was for Osama and The Taliban..
We are not there to be Jury, Judge and Executioner of the Afghan people. We are there to make sure they don't get killed.
So why are our people ( Armed Forces ) putting their lives in jeopardy if we are handing over those same lives right over to kill if that will be the end result anyway ?
Of course! For the following reasons!
1. We are signatories to the Geneva Conventions.
Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War, 75 U.N.T.S. 135, entered into force Oct. 21, 1950.
2. We would expect Canadian forces taken prisoner in an armed conflict to be treated humanely.
3. We subscribe, as a nation, to the rule of law.
4. So Canada can advocate honestly for human rights worldwide!
5. Observance of human rights is a mark of civilization!
1. We are signatories to the Geneva Conventions.
Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War, 75 U.N.T.S. 135, entered into force Oct. 21, 1950.
2. We would expect Canadian forces taken prisoner in an armed conflict to be treated humanely.
3. We subscribe, as a nation, to the rule of law.
4. So Canada can advocate honestly for human rights worldwide!
5. Observance of human rights is a mark of civilization!
Detainee treatment a concern 'for some time': MacKay
CTV News | Detainee treatment a concern 'for some time': MacKay
We know find out the Government had Concerns for some time.. That they would consider this an Afghan issue is in my opinion ludicrous as it is Canada handing over the people to Afghans and making Canada as guilty the Afghan killing their own..
You cannot hand over people to those killing / torturing others and wash your hands of the deed.. SORRY..
CTV News | Detainee treatment a concern 'for some time': MacKay
We know find out the Government had Concerns for some time.. That they would consider this an Afghan issue is in my opinion ludicrous as it is Canada handing over the people to Afghans and making Canada as guilty the Afghan killing their own..
You cannot hand over people to those killing / torturing others and wash your hands of the deed.. SORRY..
Are you 100% sure about that? There aren't other nations more uncivil, much closer, far easier to tame and aren't being funded by Saudi Arabia without a dead boogy man that we could have invaded to save because war is peace?
People have tried for hundreds of years to bring back "civility" and have failed, why did we think we could do better.
Poorly though out war for nothing other than revenge.:roll:
Hitler lost the war because he invaded Russia. He had become so egotistical that his demise was inevitable. He never would have made it across the Atlantic. He self destructed like all empires. Just like the American empire is self destructing.
