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earth_as_one

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Can anyone name the international treaty which is being used by treaty violators as a basis for imposing economic sanctions on a country which abides by the treaties terms and conditions?
 

earth_as_one

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No not international treaty on human rights.

The international agency responsible for monitoring compliance has said it has no evidence that the country facing economic sanctions from the treaty violators has ever violated the treaty.
 

earth_as_one

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Yes the Nuclear non-Proliferation Treaty.

The five nuclear weapon possessing states were supposed to reduce and eliminate their nuclear arsenals. Instead they continue to research new types of nuclear weapons, modernize and upgrade in violation of the treaty. Non-nuclear powers in exchange for not pursuing nuclear weapons were supposed to get assistance from the nuclear powers to develop peaceful nuclear energy. The treaty has voluntary and mandatory parts. The voluntary parts includes allowing the IAEA to monitor a non nuclear country's nuclear energy program. Under the voluntary part of the program, the IAEA monitors mining, enrichment and power generation parts of the program to verify nuclear material is not being diverted from NPT compliant programs to NPT violating weapons programs.

Some NPT violators, have since tried to portray voluntary parts of the NPT as mandatory and accuse Iran of violating the NPT. Initially Iran's mining and early experimentation with enrichment was not declared as per the voluntary protocols. But when Iran reach a certain point in their development they implemented the voluntary protocols. Their is no evidence that Iran has ever violated the mandatory parts of the NPT and some of the NPT violators have imposed sanctions against Iran for their legal NPT compliant activities.

Meanwhile the world's non-nuclear weapon states inclding Canada are still waiting for the US, Russia, China, the UK and France to start complying with the NPT. These countries must stop their illegal research as well as reduce and eliminate their nuclear arsenals.

Effectively the nuclear powers have violated the spirit and terms of the NPT to the point where many countries are considering withdrawing from the treaty since it has completely failed to eliminate nuclear weapons. So much for nuclear non-proliferation.

But don't expect to read any of this in our news...
 
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Goober

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Yes the Nuclear non-Proliferation Treaty.

The five nuclear weapon possessing states were supposed to reduce and eliminate their nuclear arsenals. Instead they continue to research new types of nuclear weapons, modernize and upgrade in violation of the treaty. Non-nuclear powers in exchange for not pursuing nuclear weapons were supposed to get assistance from the nuclear powers to develop peaceful nuclear energy. The treaty has voluntary and mandatory parts. The voluntary parts includes allowing the IAEA to monitor a non nuclear country's nuclear energy program. Under the voluntary part of the program, the IAEA monitors mining, enrichment and power generation parts of the program to verify nuclear material is not being diverted from NPT compliant programs to NPT violating weapons programs.

Some NPT violators, have since tried to portray voluntary parts of the NPT as mandatory and accuse Iran of violating the NPT. Initially Iran's mining and early experimentation with enrichment was not declared as per the voluntary protocols. But when Iran reach a certain point in their development they implemented the voluntary protocols. Their is no evidence that Iran has ever violated the mandatory parts of the NPT and some of the NPT violators have imposed sanctions against Iran for their legal NPT compliant activities.

Meanwhile the world's non-nuclear weapon states inclding Canada are still waiting for the US, Russia, China, the UK and France to start complying with the NPT. These countries must stop their illegal research as well as reduce and eliminate their nuclear arsenals.

Effectively the nuclear powers have violated the spirit and terms of the NPT to the point where many countries are considering withdrawing from the treaty since it has completely failed to eliminate nuclear weapons. So much for nuclear non-proliferation.

But don't expect to read any of this in our news...

When you hide something like this - do not expect to be believed - when you lie about - do not expect to be believed even when you may be telling the truth - and when you threaten to wipe a nation off the face of the earth - expect that people will think you are working on the bomb and will use it on Israel - One bomb at a certain height and the land is uninhabitable. - Not to difficult to understand now is it.
 

earth_as_one

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When you hide something like this - do not expect to be believed - when you lie about - do not expect to be believed even when you may be telling the truth - and when you threaten to wipe a nation off the face of the earth - expect that people will think you are working on the bomb and will use it on Israel - One bomb at a certain height and the land is uninhabitable. - Not to difficult to understand now is it.

You pretty much summarized every blantant misrepresentation of Iran in a single paragraph. I'm impressed!

As everyone should be aware, just because our news and leaders says something doesn't mean its true, especially when it comes to statements regarding controversial countries like Iran.

Ahmadinejad's statement about "wiping Israel off the map" is well known example of this type of misinformation.

Off Topic: Ahmadinejad's statement about wiping Israel off the map

Ahmadinejad made this statement in Farsi. Most experts in Farsi agree "wiped off the map" is an incorrect interpretation. The most agreed upon interpretation is:

"The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad)"

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you read the entire speech in context, Ahmadinejad compares the Zionist state of Israel with other cruel and repressive regimes which appeared invincible and later collapsed. He refers specifically the USSR, the Shah of Iran and Saddam Hussein. He then calls for a referendum to let the people (Israelis and Palestinians) decide their future. When asked for clarification, Ahmadinejad and other Iran representatives have consistently stated that they never called for a slaughter or massacre. They have stated repeatedly that they call for an end to the Zionist State of Israel. When pressed Ahmadinejad has even stated that Iran would accept a two state solution, provided it was the will of the people (Palestinians and Israelis), implying that Iran might even recognize Israel's legitimacy.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/29/iran.israel.ahmadinejad

But don't expect anything portraying Ahmadinejad as remotely human, reasonable or open to peaceful solutions to make our news or be commented on by our leaders. BTW, that's not an endorsement of Ahmadinejad, but an attempt to clarify deliberate misinformation and lies.

If you want to understand Iran, the first thing you have to do is realize that our news and leaders are guilty of the same misonformation and distortions as they were regarding Iraq during the run up to the 2003 invasion. Everyone should be aware by now that we were deliberately lied to and manipulated by our news and leaders. The same thing has been going on regarding Iran.

Goober claims Iran lied ( I assume about their nuclear research), yet offers no proof to support his claim. In modern judicial systems, the burden of proof is always on the accuser to prove guilt rather than the accused to prove innocence for good reason. Often its impossible for an innocent person to prove their innocence.

So far, Iran's accusers have never proven Iran has lied about their nuclear research program or that this program cover for nuclear weapons research. Iran's "nuclear weapon program" remains an allegation unsupported by evidence.

Its never been a secret that Iran had a nuclear research program. That's been public knowledge since the days of the Shah. What was unknown was their level of progress since the fall of the Shah of Iran. But that changed in 2002, when Iran went public regarding their nuclear research program as per the voluntary protocols of the NPT. If Iran wanted, they could have kept their progress a secret and still remained compliant with the mandatory part of the NPT. Instead they announced they were building uranium enrichment facilities and invited the IAEA to come monitor their entire program.
http://www.iaea.org/About/Policy/GC/GC46/iran.pdf

That announcement was then distorted by our leaders and news to sound sinister and sneaky, when they should have welcomed Iran's openness and willingness to start abiding by voluntary NPT protocols. What Iran's critics often say is that Iran "violated" the NPT, when it would be more correct to say, Iran failed to comply with voluntary NPT protocols. But the key word is "voluntary". These protocols are not mandatory and not complying with them is not a violation of the NPT.

Iran's decision to comply with the voluntary NPT protocols has since been misused to impose economic sanctions and trade embargos against Iran in violation of the terms and spirit of the NPT.

According to the NPT, all nations including Iran have a right to conduct nuclear research up to certain points. One critical point comes after a nation develops the ability to enrich unranium. Until a nation can enrich uranium, they can't develop nuclear weapons on their own. Enriching uranium is allowed by the NPT up to a certain level of purity (20%). Below this specific purity threshold, enriched uranium cannot be used to make nuclear weapons. Low enriched uranium below that purity threshold can be used for many peaceful purposes including nuclear power generation.

Iran invited the IAEA to monitor their program as soon as they began construction of two nuclear enrichment facilities. These facilites are now in production and the IAEA has confirmed they are not capable of producing "weapons grade" highly enriched uranium (HEU). Converting these facilities to produce weapons grade HEU would require extensive reconfiguration, time and would be noticed immediately by IAEA officials.

The IAEA doesn't just monitor Iran's enrichment facilities. Iran also has sizeable reserves of uranium ore. That mining operation is also monitored by the IAEA. So is Iran's uranium refinement, enrichment, processing and nuclear power generation. In the future, the IAEA will monitor spent fuel reprocessing and waste storage. The IAEA monitors Iran's entire uranium fuel cycle from beginning to end and so far what they have seen corresponds to a peaceful NPT compliant nuclear program and compliant with both mandatory and, (since 2002), voluntary parts of the NPT.

Could Iran have a clandestine nuclear weapon program? Sure they could, but so far, no proof exists to support these allegations. Iran's past non-compliance with the voluntary protocols are frequently misconstrued as evidence that Iran has violated the NPT. These accusations are false and misleading, especially when they are offered as proof of a clandestine nuclear weapon program.

Hiding a covert nuclear weapon program would be extremely difficult because of the scale and number of people involved.

Iran couldn't supply a covert nuclear weapon program with their own uranium because all their uranium ore is monitored. Iran could import uranium clandestinely, but that would be hard to do, since all uranium ore mining world wide is monitored and clandestine mining operations would be almost impossible to hide. Then the ore would have to be clandestinely transported to Iran with ships, trains or trucks. Then the ore would to be stored. This enterprise would involve large facilities and involve hundreds of people.

Iran can't use their known enrichment facilities to produce weapon's grade HEU, but they could have secret facilities. Hiding these facilities is possible, but unlikely. Such a facility would be huge and employ thousands of people. It would also require Iran to increase production of critical components which is also monitored by the IAEA. Setting up clandestine factories would also be difficult to hide. Many clues would exist pointing at the existence of covert enrichment activity, including the release of detectable gases into the atmosphere.

Iran's known research facilities have not conducted any nuclear weapon specific research. They've done lots of basic research which could be used for many purposes, but nothing specifically linked to nuclear weapon research. Its possible they could have secret research facilities and construct a nuclear weapon. But if they ever did construct a nuclear weapon they'd have to test it first to prove it works. Nuclear weapon tests are easily detected. Iran would have to detonate their test nuke outside Iran. In order for the test to be effective they would need to monitor it which would involve hundreds of people and the procurement of sophisticated test equipment.

Cut to the chase, its highly unlikely Iran has a covert nuclear weapon program. Even if they did decide to start a nuclear weapon program, it would be detectable and take years before Iran became a signicant nuclear threat. Most likely Iran's nuclear program is exactly what they say it is... peaceful.

Meanwhile, when are the nuclear weapon possessing states going to reduce and eliminate their nuclear arsenals as per the NPT? When will countries like Israel, India and Pakistan be required to sign the NPT or face economic sanctions and trade embargos?

If the nuclear weapon possessing states continue to ignore the NPT and abuse it to punish NPT compliant states, then the NPT has no value. It will unravel along with all hope for a nuclear weapon free world.

Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Goober

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Read up on the IAEA reports before returning to the one sided closed minded attitude - Jews are always bad -
 

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No not international treaty on human rights.

The international agency responsible for monitoring compliance has said it has no evidence that the country facing economic sanctions from the treaty violators has ever violated the treaty.




Then I guess nothing ever happened.
 

Goober

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Then I guess nothing ever happened.
Ironsides - Suggest you dig deeper - i am not one to do others work - But dig and you will find - To many people do a quick google - read quickly thru the info - looking for what supports their opinion and then make a statement such as you have.
Not meant to be insulting to you but Iran has been found by the IAEA to have lied on a number of occasions.
 

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I'd like anyone to post evidence that Iran has violated the mandatory parts of the NPT.

Meanwhile Iran has been threatened repeatedly with war, and faced economic sanctions:
UN Sanctions Against Iran?

"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran" Clinton said in an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America." ...we would ... totally obliterate them," she said.
BTW, that quote was in English, not Farsi. ;)
 
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Lou Garu

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I'd like anyone to post evidence that Iran has violated the mandatory parts of the NPT.

You be within the guidelines of the NPT ,and still produce nuclear weapons,( dirty bombs ,poison, etc)

Meanwhile Iran has been threatened repeatedly with war, and faced economic sanctions:
UN Sanctions Against Iran?

Perhaps they don't tell every little thing ?

BTW, that quote was in English, not Farsi. ;)

و نقطه اید؟:lol: