Shut Up about Iran

JBeee

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[FONT=Arial,Geneva,sans-serif]by [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Geneva,sans-serif]Sheldon Richman[/FONT], [FONT=Arial,Geneva,sans-serif]June 19, 2009[/FONT]

[FONT=Times,Times New Roman]Here’s some advice for Barack Obama, John McCain, and any other U.S. politician who feels the urge to issue a declaration about the election in Iran: Shut up.

True, Obama has said he does not wish to interfere in the Iranian election. Others, such John “Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran” McCain, have no such compunction. But any statement at all — even a statement about not making a statement — is a mistake. The record of the U.S. government in Iran over the last half-century is so tainted that it would be better for all officials to just keep quiet.

The results of the presidential election certainly suggest a fix. But that is for the Iranians to work out.

For the last few years, the U.S. “military option” has been prominently “on the table” when it comes to Iran. The U.S. government’s closest ally in the Middle East, Israel — especially under the new hard-line prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu — clearly would like to see Iran attacked for having the nerve to develop nuclear technology. U.S. intelligence says Iran gave up a weapons program long ago — before Mahmoud Ahmadinejad became president — but Israel apparently won’t tolerate an Iran even with only a civilian nuclear-power industry. Apparently the thought of another country’s challenging Israel’s 40-year nuclear-weapons monopoly in the Middle East — and thus being able to deter aggressive military action — is intolerable. (Ahmadinejad, incidentally, has no military authority under Iranian law.)

The U.S. government, then, can hardly be an unbiased observer of Iran’s political process. Besides, it is well known that U.S. governments have routinely meddled in elections throughout the world, overtly and covertly. The National Endowment for Democracy, a government-funded organization, is just the most obvious way that American officials interfere. (Remember how outraged people were in the Clinton years when they thought the Chinese had funneled money into the U.S. electoral system?)

Most of all, the U.S. government needs to keep silent because of 1953. That was the year the CIA — that model of openness and commitment to democracy — drove an elected, secular Iranian prime minister from office in order to restore to power the brutal monarch, Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. For the next quarter century, the shah ruled with an iron fist — secret police, torture, the works. “Enlightened” Americans used to say that he was “dragging his people kicking and screaming into the twentieth century.” He was a close friend of American presidents and Israeli prime ministers, and a main instigator of high oil prices.

With all that oil money, he could easily buy the latest weapons made by American contractors, keeping them and his American political sponsors happy. He was “our” man in one of the world’s hotspots.

It was a sweet deal for everyone — except average Americans and Iranians. In 1979 the Iranians had had enough and, led by the charismatic ayatollah, Ruhollah Khomeini, they again drove the shah from power — this time for good — in the Islamic revolution that has reigned in Iran ever since. The U.S. government’s crimes against Iran were not forgotten, as the U.S. embassy was seized and the personnel held hostage for 444 days. When the hostage crisis began, President Jimmy Carter dismissed the connection to 1953, claiming that it was “ancient history.” It is from such utterances that the term “ugly American” was born.

What was ancient to Carter and unknown to most Americans was fresh in the minds of Iranians. Middle-class Iranians may have a high regard for the American people and our way of life, but that does not mean they welcome intervention.

In Cairo, Obama acknowledged that history. Good. However, acknowledgement is not enough. Deeds must match regrets — if that’s what he feels — about 1953. The U.S. government must forswear intervention, take the military option off the table — and mean it.

The Obama administration says the United States has two concerns regarding Iran: its support for terrorism in the Middle East and its nuclear ambitions. Neither concerns the American people. Even if Iran builds a weapon, the leaders there are not suicidal. And the way for the United States to safeguard against terrorism is to follow a noninterventionist foreign policy. U.S. troops can’t be attacked in the Middle East if they aren’t there. Someone as bright as Obama ought to realize that.
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JBeee

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Is American media, CNN in particular, inciting more violence with it`s "reported" happenings on the streets of Iran? It seems snatching every video downloaded from iReports over the web and reporting on-air, as factual, is slanted journalism at best. They shut up long enough to squeeze in a few commericals then right back to the grainy, anonymous slew of videos pouring in, no doubt picking and choosing the most inciteful to air.

BREAKING NEWS!!...we now have, according to CNN`s(god I hate that mouth-piece) Octavia Nasr, someone called "Neda", a `symbol` of Iranian frustrations.:roll:
 

darkbeaver

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But we have to be very sure that the democratic free people of the democratic free world understand that we will kill most of them including thier babies and old folk to bring liberty and freedom and family values into thier wretched lives. The price of freedom is blood. God save the Bean. These Eyerainiings have had five or six thousand years to wise up and get with the bankers programe, we must act on thier behalf before it's to late.
 

Blackleaf

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I think if elections in a country have been rigged, other countries should try and do something about it.

Millions of ordinary Iranians have taken to the streets protesting about the rigged elections, and many are even writing on the internet to people outside Iran to tell them of their plight.

It's good to see that the ordinary Iranians aren't as deluded and anti-Western as their weirdo leaders.

It's also interesting to see that the Iranians are blaming the British (often scapegoats for Iranian woes) for all the troubles, even though it wasn't the British who rigged the elections, it wasn't the British who told millions of Iranians to take to the streets in protest and it wasn't the British who told cops to shoot innocent protesters.

In fact, the British Government have been accused by many of not doing enough to help the Iranian people. Their accusers include the thousands of Iranians who live in Britain.

The Iranians actually see Britain - the British Empire ruled Iran in the late 19th Century - as the "Great Satan" rather than the US. The US might have the military firepower, but they think of Britain as being the great power and that it pulls America's strings rather than vice versa.

In other words, Iranians see the British as having the brains and the Americans as having the brawn and that Britain gets its American puppet to use its military for Britain's purposes. A street flanking the British embassy in Tehran was re-named Bobby Sands in the 1980s, after the IRA terrorist hunger striker, although a new road sign spells it as “Babi Sandz”.
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June 19, 2009
The Times

Iran's distrust of 'evil Britain' rooted in history of imperial meddling



Churchill, far right, celebrated his 69th birthday at the British Embassy in Tehran in 1943, amid talks with Stalin and Roosevelt. A street named in honour of the British wartime leader now bears the name of the IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands


Michael Theodoulou

It is no surprise that Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, put the “evil British Government” at the top of his list of Western powers that he accuses of fomenting the biggest street demonstrations in Tehran since the 1979 Islamic Revolution.

Britain has been a convenient scapegoat and whipping boy for Iranian leaders when things go wrong at home. According to an old Persian proverb, "if you trip over a pebble, you can be sure it was put there by an Englishman."

In the tumultuous prelude to the revolution, the late Ayatollah Khomeini was convinced that the BBC was supporting the US-backed Shah. The monarch, in turn, had little doubt the BBC was helping London to destabilise his regime by broadcasting everything Khomeini said from exile in France.

Three decades on and many Iranians still see Britain as “perfidious Albion”, a scheming “little Satan” that pulls the strings of the “Great Satan” America, which is viewed as a superpower with more brawn but fewer brains than its “duplicitous” Anglo-Saxon ally.

Such flattering perceptions of Britain's power are little consolation to its diplomats in Tehran whose historic embassy — a green oasis in the heart of the dusty, teeming capital — has been the frequent target of anti-British demonstrations over the years, some of them violent. A street flanking the embassy was re-named Bobby Sands in the 1980s, after the IRA hunger striker, although a new road sign spells it as “Babi Sandz”.

Most Iranian taxi drivers still use its original name, Churchill Street, which honoured Britain’s wartime leader who celebrated his 69th birthday at the embassy in November 1943, with Joseph Stalin and Franklin Roosevelt.

Britons, bemused by the deeply held Iranian suspicion of their country, usually have no idea of its historical roots. Iranians are steeped in the history of British imperial meddling in Iran in the 19th and 20th centuries. The defining moment was in 1953 when British intelligence joined with its American counterpart in a coup that overthrew Iran’s popular, elected prime minister, Mohammad Mossadeq, and returning power to the unpopular Shah.

To those few Britons who know of the coup, the episode might seem like ancient history – but it remains very current to most Iranians who still view Britain as a great power with global reach.

Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, a powerful hardline cleric and Ahmadinejad supporter once opined at Friday prayers that “The British are the worst conmen, the most devious people and they are foxier than everyone else.” Claiming that British diplomats are spies, an Iranian newspaper quipped that to join the Foreign and Commonwealth Office you had to be an “incorrigible bugger”.

Nevertheless, in a canny move to keep viewers from tuning in to opposition satellite channels beamed in from the US, Iran’s state-run television has been broadcasting live action from England’s Premier League. It is a huge hit.



timesonline.co.uk
 
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catman

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To be fair Obama has been pretty reluctant to get involved. Of course the neo-cons are salavating for another war.
 

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In the media we get the mistaken impression that after these demonstrations that Iran will be more "democratic." Utter nonsense. Iran, like most countries in the Mid East will continue to dictatorships like most countries in Asia are. Yet this perverse optimism allows the war party to shout "Do more Mr President" when it just encourages instability. In a simplistic black and white world the media eats up, they think if the regime is bad now, then a new one will be better in the future. Change is good, so regime change must be good.

Iran has intense internal issues, so yeah, Obama doesn't need to say much.
 

dumpthemonarchy

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And of course killing all the Jews and destroying Israel will solve all the problems in the Mid East of course. A five minute solution.

Asia is full of problems and we have to insulate ourselves from this violent, aggressive, traditional, turbulent place. Would we care about Afghanistan if they hadn't played a role in 9/11?

Is the US getting much stronger meddling in Asia?
 

Liberalman

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Iran people are standing up for their rights and revolting and are demanding another election to replace the one that was fixed.

When the tanks roll out and the military starts to kill those people then all the world will scorn Iran like Tenement Square in China or the protests in Pakistan or the protests in Lebanon or the bloody riots in America during the civil rights movement and the protests at Kent state university where the troops killed a bunch of students.

One of the posters said a dictatorship is when the government kills their own people if that’s true then all the countries in the world are dictatorships.

Can this situation in Iran be considered a domestic issue?

If you twitter your friends who twitter their friends to stage a protest in Canada or America or Britain or any country that has a free democracy and 500-1000 protesters show up I can safely that the government police will be their to bust your heads if it gets out of hand.

This is why all the world leader is saying little because what is happening in Iran is a domestic issue.

Now when the nuclear weapons start to explode and the radiation floats to the next country then it becomes an international incident.
 

petros

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If 200,000 pissed off citizens advanced on Ottawa, Harper or any other party leader would have no troubles rolling out the tanks.

Don't kid yourself. "Freedom" is BS.
 

JBeee

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Nah...my knickers will be in a knot when, perhaps in a years time, the same western governments (and media) crying foul today, are cheering on bombing the **** out of the Iranian people for no good reason other than they exist and happen to hold different beliefs.

A two-faced people we are. We could learn from this election if we allowed ourselves.


And if they all said nothing..? You'ld have you knickers in a knot over that too...
 

Cannuck

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The OP wasn't too bad until the last paragraph...

[FONT=Times,Times New Roman]"The Obama administration says the United States has two concerns regarding Iran: its support for terrorism in the Middle East and its nuclear ambitions. Neither concerns the American people. Even if Iran builds a weapon, the leaders there are not suicidal. And the way for the United States to safeguard against terrorism is to follow a noninterventionist foreign policy. U.S. troops can’t be attacked in the Middle East if they aren’t there. Someone as bright as Obama ought to realize that." [/FONT]


The author shows a clear and surprising lack of understanding of the issues and it diminishes the entire piece.
 

darkbeaver

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The author of the preceeding post shows a clear but unsurprising lack of understanding of the issues. At this point though it can't diminish the authors little candle any further.
 

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I am not surprised by those on this continent who do not realize their own election have been rigged since they attained "independence". Usually "looking over there" has everything to do with not dealing with what right here. Its like someone living in a cage fretting about the conditions that feedlot cattle have to live under.
 

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"Full Spectrum Dominance: Totalitarian Democracy in the New World Order:"
Review of F. William Engdahl's book

By Stephen Lendman

Global Research, June 22, 2009

For over 30 years, F. William Engdahl has been a leading researcher, economist, and analyst of the New World Order with extensive writing to his credit on energy, politics, and economics. He contributes regularly to business and other publications, is a frequent speaker on geopolitical, economic and energy issues, and is a distinguished Research Associate of the Centre for Research on Globalization.

Engdahl's two previous books include "A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order" explaining that America's post-WW II dominance rests on two pillars and one commodity - unchallengeable military power and the dollar as the world's reserve currency along with the quest to control global oil and other energy resources.

Engdahl's other book is titled "Seeds of Destruction: The Hidden Agenda of Genetic Manipulation" on how four Anglo-American agribusiness giants plan world domination by patenting all life forms to force-feed GMO foods on everyone - even though eating them poses serious human health risks.

Engdahl's newest book is reviewed below. Titled "Full Strectrum Dominance: Totalitarian Democracy in the New World Order," it discusses America's grand strategy, first revealed in the 1998 US Space Command document - Vision for 2020. Later released in 2000 as DOD Joint Vision 2020, it called for "full spectrum dominance" over all land, surface and sub-surface sea, air, space, electromagnetic spectrum and information systems with enough overwhelming power to fight and win global wars against any adversary, including with nuclear weapons preemptively.

Other means as well, including propaganda, NGOs and Color Revolutions for regime change, expanding NATO eastward, and "a vast array of psychologic