Canada wants 'frank' talks on NATO

Ron in Regina

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Canada wants 'frank' talks on NATO


By Luke Baker, ReutersFebruary 16, 2009 3:01 PM
Source: Canada wants 'frank' talks on NATO

LONDON - The struggling effort to defeat the Taliban and bring security to Afghanistan means it is time for a "frank discussion" about the future of NATO, Canada's defence minister said on Monday.


In comments that are likely to aggravate some NATO partners, Peter MacKay told an audience in London that all alliance members needed to pull their weight otherwise the 60-year-old security pact faced an existential crisis.

"We need to have a frank discussion about the future of NATO," MacKay told the Royal Institute of International Affairs, known as Chatham House, while underlining that Canada, a founder member, remained committed to the organization.


"The U.S. re-emphasis on the mission in Afghanistan — with the commitment of more troops, more development, more diplomacy — has brought a predictable sigh of relief from some around the alliance," he said, suggesting some members saw it as a chance to sit back and say 'it's okay, the Americans will handle it'.


"As the United States says, its contribution is designed to reinforce, not to replace ... We all need to maintain our collective effort so that we maximise the official contribution from the United States," he said.


NATO defence ministers are due to meet in Krakow, Poland, for informal meetings on Feb. 19-20. MacKay said he would use the meeting to hammer home the importance of all 26 members fulfilling their obligations to the organization.


In the past, criticism like MacKay's has been a veiled reference to the need for Germany, France and other major NATO states to step up contributions, bringing them into line with those made by Britain, Italy, Canada and the United States.


MacKay did not name names, however, merely saying that unless there was a more unified, coordinated response across the alliance, the 8-year operation in Afghanistan risked failure.


"Afghanistan tests the ability of the alliance to execute its most basic mission in the 21st century and in a global context," he said.


"If NATO cannot deter or defeat the real physical threat facing alliance members, and indeed contribute to the building of security for the larger international community, then we have to ask ourselves, what is NATO for?"


Addressing specific problems, MacKay said that as well as forces on the ground — Canada contributes 2,800 soldiers to the 70,000-strong international force — NATO allies needed to train more Afghan security forces, engage Pakistan and regional players such as Iran, and urge the Afghan government to pull its weight in combating corruption, among other goals.


Afghanistan is due to hold a presidential election in August, when President Hamid Karzai's faltering popularity — both among Afghans and internationally — will be tested.


MacKay said he expected the elections to be free and fair, but said that did not mean Afghanistan was suddenly a democracy.


"I predict with confidence that we will have more successful elections," he said. "But what we are not going to have is a Westminster-style democracy in Afghanistan," he said, referring to the British parliament.
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EagleSmack

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Of all the people who should be ashamed of themselves IMO it should be the Germans. Canadians, Americans, and British were willing to die by the tens of thousands if the Soviets ever invaded Germany... now they are sitting fat and happy in support roles far from the action.

Canada has every right to bring this up and call these people to the carpet.
 

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NATO is under a confluence of centrifugal forces which may tear it apart. The caveats under which the forces of NATO members operate in Afghanistan are only a symptom.
These forces include:
1. A resistance to American policy and goals in Central Asia.
2. A natural rise of European independence and a desire to shed American dominance within the Organization.
3. The dissolution of the Warsaw Pact which was NATO's raison d'être.
4. A belief that the goals of new members from the former Soviet sphere are not the same as the goals of the original members.
5. A suspicion that NATO is being used as a tool to further American hegemony.
6. A fear that NATO membership for countries such as Georgia, who were part of the former Soviet Union and a part of Russia under the tsars, would destabilize world peace.
7. The Iraq War accentuated suspicions among members such as France and Germany.
 

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Personally, I'd like to see Canada out of NATO altogether; it's too biassed aand geographically limited an organization. Canada should bocus on global or near-global co-operation instead, such as through the UN.
 

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Why is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization doing in the Middle East? Because the Americans couldn't run the UN, but they do run NATO.
 

Zzarchov

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Why is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization doing in the Middle East? Because the Americans couldn't run the UN, but they do run NATO.

America has more control over the UN than NATO.

The UN is by and large despotisms and human rights abusers. That includes the security council, if you label America as a dangerous nation you are only making the case worse not better against the UN.

The UN is responsible for truly horrendous amounts of suffering on this planet.
 

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America has more control over the UN than NATO.

The UN is by and large despotisms and human rights abusers. That includes the security council, if you label America as a dangerous nation you are only making the case worse not better against the UN.

The UN is responsible for truly horrendous amounts of suffering on this planet.

NATO is a tool of Uncle Sam and the international banking scum.
 

CanadianLove

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The Cold War is over. It's time for NATO to follow in its footsteps.

Good idea. They can reorganize with other countries from around the World who should be concerned with things like terrorizm. What should they call it I wonder.

I know The New World Order - NWO for short.