Africa: Is there no cure?

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Zimbabwe is already destitute, now a new crisis looms over Somalia:

Fears of another Somalia famine rise
At a dusty, windblown emergency feeding centre in Somalia just three kilometres from the Ethiopian border, one-year-old Abdiqadir is being weighed by medics. Skin and bones, he weighs just nine pounds, less than many newborn babies in more fortunate countries than this one.
I can't imagine how this child can still be alive! The body is a miracle machine!
Destitute, his mother, 30-year-old Miriam Tawil, walked for two days with her four young children to the emergency centre in the town of El Barde. They made the journey without food or water.
I wish I could pack my knapsack and walk over there and bring them the contents of my pantry shelves!
Last night we Canadians blew a little fortune into the air, celebrating Canada Day. Couldn't we for once skip such a frivolity and instead have a food drive for the poor on this earth?

Read the full article here:
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/06/27/f-rfa-mcguffin.html
 
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You have a heart DL. We've seen starvation and war for a century and always the reasons and the players were the same, we collectivly have no intention of preventing either, we are too busy liveing the American dream. One day won't scratch the planets ills. The justice you want to see requires a global revolution and a permanent total destruction of the wealthy, as well as a few other incidentals we can discuss after the hangings.:smile:
 

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You have a heart DL. We've seen starvation and war for a century and always the reasons and the players were the same, we collectivly have no intention of preventing either, we are too busy liveing the American dream. One day won't scratch the planets ills. The justice you want to see requires a global revolution and a permanent total destruction of the wealthy, as well as a few other incidentals we can discuss after the hangings.:smile:
Well, it was attempted some decades ago and vehemently fought against. Now it will take a long time before someone comes along again with "a dream"! But watch me in my next incarnation! I'll come and knock on your door and ask you to join me and Mikey, my three brothers, my children, my husband and my friend, Quandary!!! Maybe, just maybe, the Muslims will beat us to it!!!!!!!!!!
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It sickens me too dancing-loon when is see the wasted food thrown away by wealthy nations every day ,and then see tragic things of this nature i hope you don't mind but I'm gonna post a video here that nearly made me cry when i saw it i think all of us should see this and maybe we would stop complaining how bad we have got it
The World Food Programme is far short of the $230 million needed for Somalia. Canada is the second biggest food donor here, and that total is just $5 million this year.
this was good to read though welldone canada

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this is the quote i made when i first saw this

I weep over my impureness when confronted with the truth of this video. Alas i pray i could change but in my heart i know tomorrow, i would have forgotten this. o lord grant me the humility to see how fortunate i am and make me remember this when next i complain about my life.

Humility is the defining characteristic of an unpretentious and modest person, someone who does not think that he or she is better or more important than others. Synonym: humble
 
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The Global Crisis: Food, Water and Fuel. Three Fundamental Necessities of Life in Jeopardy


by Michel Chossudovsky

Global Research, June 5, 2008

The sugar coated bullets of the "free market" are killing our children. The act to kill is unpremeditated. It is instrumented in a detached fashion through computer program trading on the New York and Chicago mercantile exchanges, where the global prices of rice, wheat and corn are decided upon.



Poverty is not solely the result of policy failures at a national level. People in different countries are being impoverished simultaneously as a result of a global market mechanism. A small number of financial institutions and global corporations have the ability to determine, through market manipulation, the standard of living of millions of people around the World.


We are at the crossroads of the most serious economic and social crisis in modern history. The process of global impoverishment unleashed at the outset of the 1980s debt crisis has reached a major turning point, leading to the simultaneous outbreak of famines in all major regions of the developing World.

There are many complex features underlying the global economic crisis pertaining to financial markets, the decline in production, the collapse of State institutions and the rapid development of a profit-driven war economy. What is rarely mentioned in this analysis, is how this global economic restructuring forcibly impinges on three fundamental necessities of life: food, water and fuel.
The provision of food, water and fuel is a precondition of civilized society: they are necessary factors for the survival of the human species. In recent years, the prices of these three variables has increased dramatically at the global level, with devastating economic and social consequences.
These three essential goods or commodities, which in a real sense determine the reproduction of economic and social life on planet earth, are under the control of a small number of global corporations and financial institutions.
Both the State as well as the gamut of international organizations --often referred to as the "international community"-- serve the unfettered interests of global capitalism. The main intergovernmental bodies including the United Nations, the Bretton Woods institutions and the World Trade Organizations (WTO) have endorsed the New World Order on behalf of their corporate sponsors. Governments in both developed and developing countries have abandoned their historical role of regulating key economic variables as well as ensuring a minimum livelihood for their people.
Protest movements directed against the hikes in the prices of food and gasoline have erupted simultaneously in different regions of the World. The conditions are particularly critical in Haiti, Nicaragua, Guatemala, India, Bangladesh. Spiraling food and fuel prices in Somalia have precipitated the entire country into a situation of mass starvation, coupled with severe water shortages. A similar and equally serious situation prevails in Ethiopia.
Other countries affected by spiraling food prices include Indonesia, the Philippines, Liberia, Egypt, Sudan, Mozambique, Zimbabwe, Kenya, Eritrea, a long list of impoverished countries..., not to mention those under foreign military occupation including Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine.

Famine in Ethiopia, June 2008


A famine-like situation hits north-eastern Bangladesh in late Autumn 2006
Most of these labourers in Kurigram go hungry in these three months because of sheer unemployment and a rise in the price of essentials

Deregulation
The provision of food, water and fuel are no longer the object of governmental or intergovernmental regulation or intervention, with a view to alleviating poverty or averting the outbreak of famines.
The fate of millions of human beings is managed behind closed doors in the corporate boardrooms as part of a profit driven agenda.
And because these powerful economic actors operate through a seemingly neutral and "invisible" market mechanism, the devastating social impacts of engineered hikes in the prices of food, fuel and water are casually dismissed as the result of supply and demand considerations.
Nature of the Global Economic and Social Crisis
Largely obfuscated by official and media reports, both the " food crisis" and the " oil crisis" are the result of the speculative manipulation of market values by powerful economic actors.
We are not dealing with distinct and separate food, fuel and water "crises" but with a global process of economic and social restructuring.
The dramatic price hikes of these three essential commodities is not haphazard. All three variables, including the prices of basic food staples, water for production and consumption and fuel are the object of a process of deliberate and simultaneous market manipulation.
At the heart of the food crisis is the rising price of food staples coupled with a dramatic increase in the price of fuel.
Concurrently, the price of water which is an essential input into agricultural and industrial production, social infrastructure, public sanitation and household consumption has increased abruptly as a result of a Worldwide movement to privatize water resources.
We are dealing with a major economic and social upheaval, an unprecedented global crisis, characterized by the triangular relationship between water, food and fuel: three fundamental variables, which together affect the very means of human survival.
In very concrete terms, these price hikes impoverish and destroy peoples lives. Moreover, the Worldwide collapse in living standards is occurring at a time of war. It is intimately related to the military agenda. The war in the Middle East bears a direct relationship to the control over oil and water reserves.
While water is not at present an internationally trade commodity in the same way as oil and food staples, it is also the object of market manipulation through the privatization of water.


The economic and financial actors operating behind closed doors, are:
- the major Wall Street banks and financial houses, including the institutional speculators which play a direct role in commodity markets including the oil and food markets​
-The Anglo-American oil giants, including British Petroleum (BP), ExxonMobil, Chevron-Texaco, Royal Dutch Shell​
-The biotech-agribusiness conglomerates, which own the intellectual property rights on seeds and farm inputs. The biotech companies are also major actors on the NY and Chicago mercantile exchanges.​
-The water giants including Suez, Veolia and Bechtel-United Utilities, involved in the extensive privatization of the World's water resources.​
-The Anglo-American military-industrial complex which includes the big five US defense contractors (Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Northrop Grunman, Boeing and General Dynamics) in alliance with British Aerospace Systems Corporation (BAES) constitutes a powerful overlapping force, closely aligned with Wall Street, the oil giants and the agribusiness-biotech conglomerates.​
The Oil Price Bubble
The movement in global prices on the New York and Chicago mercantile exchanges bears no relationship to the costs of producing oil. The spiraling price of crude oil is not the result of a shortage of oil. It is estimated that the cost of a barrel of oil in the Middle East does not exceed 15 dollars. The costs of a barrel of oil extracted from the tar sands of Alberta, Canada, is of the order of $30 (Antoine Ayoub, Radio Canada, May 2008)
The price of crude oil is currently in excess of $120 a barrel. This market price is largely the result of the speculative onslaught.







Source: NYMEX



Fuel enters into the production of virtually all areas of manufacturing, agriculture and the services economy. The hikes in fuel prices have contributed, in all major regions of the World, to precipitating tens of thousands of small and medium sized businesses into bankruptcy as well as undermining and potentially paralyzing the channels of domestic and international trade.
The increased cost of gasoline at the retail level is leading to the demise of local level economies, increased industrial concentration and a massive centralization of economic power in the hands of a small number of global corporations. In turn, the hikes in fuel backlash on the urban transit system, schools and hospitals, the trucking industry, intercontinental shipping, airline transportation, tourism, recreation and most public services.
Inflation
The rise in fuel prices unleashes a broader inflationary process which results in a compression of real purchasing power and a consequent Worldwide decline in consumer demand. All major sectors of society, including the middle classes in the developed countries are affected.
These price movements are dictated by the commodity markets. They are the result of speculative trade in index funds, futures and options on major commodity markets including the London ICE, the New York and Chicago mercantile exchanges.
The dramatic price hikes are not the result of a shortage of fuel, food or water.
This upheaval in the global economy is deliberate. The State's economic and financial policies are controlled by private corporate interests. Speculative trade is not the object of regulatory policies. The economic depression contributes to wealth formation, to enhancing the power of a handful of global corporations


According to William Engdahl;
"... At least 60% of the 128 per barrel price of crude oil comes from unregulated futures speculation by hedge funds, banks and financial groups using the London ICE Futures and New York NYMEX futures exchanges and uncontrolled inter-bank or Over-The-Counter trading to avoid scrutiny. US margin rules of the government's Commodity Futures Trading Commission allow speculators to buy a crude oil futures contract on the Nymex, by having to pay only 6% of the value of the contract. At today's price of $128 per barrel, that means a futures trader only has to put up about $8 for every barrel. He borrows the other $120. This extreme 'leverage' of 16 to 1 helps drive prices to wildly unrealistic levels and offset bank losses in sub-prime and other disasters at the expense of the overall population. (See More on the real reason behind high oil prices, Global Research, May 2008)​
Among the main players in the speculative market for crude oil are Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, British Petroleum (BP), the French banking conglomerate Société Générale, Bank of America, the largest Bank in the US, and Switzerland's Mercuria. (See Miguel Angel Blanco, La Clave, Madrid, June 2008)

British Petroleum controls the London based International Petroleum Exchange (IPE), which is one of the world's largest energy futures and options exchanges. Among IPE's major shareholders are Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley.

According to Der Spiegel, Morgan Stanley is one of the main institutional actors in the London based speculative oil market (IPE). According to Le Monde, France's Société Générale together with Bank of America and Deutsche Bank have been involved in spreading rumors with a view to pushing up the price of crude oil. (See Miguel Angel Blanco, La Clave, Madrid, June 2008)

Spiraling Food Prices
The global food crisis, characterized by major hikes in the prices of basic food staples, has spearheaded millions of people around the World into starvation and chronic deprivation.
According to the FAO, the price of grain staples has increased by 88% since March 2007. The price of wheat has increased by 181% over a three year period. The price of rice has increased by 50% over the last three months (See Ian Angus, Food Crisis: "The greatest demonstration of the historical failure of the capitalist model", Global Research, April 2008):
The price of rice has tripled over a five year period, from approximately 600$ a ton in 2003 to more than 1800$ a ton in May 2008. (see chart below)

"The most popular grade of Thailand rice sold for $198 a ton, five years ago and $323 a ton a year ago. In April 2008, the price hit $1,000. Increases are even greater on local markets — in Haiti, the market price of a 50 kilo bag of rice doubled in one week at the end of March 2008. These increases are catastrophic for the 2.6 billion people around the world who live on less than US$2 a day and spend 60% to 80% of their incomes on food. Hundreds of millions cannot afford to eat" (Ibid)

The main actors in the grain market are Cargill and Archer Daniels Midland (ADM). These two corporate giants control a large share of the global grain market. They are also involved in speculative transactions in futures and options on the NYMEX and the Chicago Board of Trade (CBOT). In the US, "the world's largest grower of GM crops, Cargill, ADM and competitor Zen Noh between them control 81 per cent of all maize exports and 65 per cent of all soyabean exports." ( Greg Muttitt, Control Freaks, Cargill and ADM, The Ecologist, March, 2001)





RICE





WHEAT




CORN



Source: Chicago Board of Trade




Background of Agricultural Reform

Since the early 1980s coinciding with the onslaught of the debt crisis, the gamut of neoliberal macroeconomic policy reforms have largely contributed to undermining local agriculture. Over the last 25 years, food farming in developing countries has been destabilized and destroyed by the imposition of IMF-World Bank reforms.
Commodity dumping of grain surpluses from the US, Canada and the European Union has led to the demise of food self-sufficiency and the destruction of the local peasant economy. In turn, this process has resulted in multibillion dollar profits for Western agribusiness, resulting from import contracts by developing countries, which are no longer able to produce their own food.
These preexisting historical conditions of mass poverty have been exacerbated and aggravated by the recent surge in grain prices, which have led in some cases to the doubling of the retail price of food staples.
The price hikes has also been exacerbated by the use of corn to produce ethanol. In 2007, global production of corn was of the order of 12.32 billion bushels of which 3.2 billion were used for ethanol production. Almost 40 percent of corn production in the US will be channeled towards ethanol
Genetically Modified Seeds
Coinciding with the establishment the World Trade Organization (WTO) in 1995, another important historical change has occurred in the structure of global agriculture.
Under the articles of agreement of the World Trade Organization (WTO)), the food giants have been granted unrestricted freedom to enter the seeds' markets of developing countries.
The acquisition of exclusive "intellectual property rights" over plant varieties by international agro-industrial interests, also favors the destruction of bio-diversity.
Acting on behalf of a handful of biotech conglomerates GMO seeds have been imposed on farmers, often in the context of "food aid programs". In Ethiopia, for instance, kits of GMO seeds were handed out to impoverished farmers with a view to rehabilitating agricultural production in the wake of a major drought.
The GMO seeds were planted, yielding a harvest. But then the farmer came to realize that the GMO seeds could not be replanted without paying royalties to Monsanto, Arch Daniel Midland et al.
Then, the farmers discovered that the seeds would harvest only if they used the farm inputs including the fertilizer, insecticide and herbicide, produced and distributed by the biotech agribusiness companies. Entire peasant economies were locked into the grip of the agribusiness conglomerates.

The main biotech giants in GMO include Monsanto, Syngenta, Aventis, DuPont, Dow Chemical, Cargill and Arch Daniel Midland.

Breaking The Agricultural Cycle

With the widespread adoption of GMO seeds, a major transition has occurred in the structure and history of settled agriculture since its inception 10,000 years ago.

The reproduction of seeds at the village level in local nurseries has been disrupted by the use of genetically modified seeds. The agricultural cycle, which enables farmers to store their organic seeds and plant them to reap the next harvest has been broken. This destructive pattern – invariably resulting in famine – is replicated in country after country leading to the Worldwide demise of the peasant economy.
The FAO- World Bank Consensus
At the June 2008 FAO Rome Summit on the food crisis, politicians and economic analysts alike embraced the free market consensus: the outbreak of famines was presented as a result of the usual supply, demand and climatic considerations, beyond the control of policy-makers. "The solution": channel emergency relief to affected areas under the auspices of the World Food Program (WFP). Do not intervene with the interplay of market forces.
Ironically, these " expert opinions" are refuted by the data on global grain production: the FAO forecasts for world cereal production point to a record output in 2008.
Contradicting their own textbook explanations, World prices are, according to the World Bank, expected to remain high, despite the forcasted increased supply of food staples.
State regulation of the prices of food staples and gasoline is not considered an option in the corridors of the FAO and the World Bank. And of course that is what is taught in the economics departments of America's most prestigious universities.
Meanwhile, local level farmgate prices barely cover production costs, spearheading the peasant economy into bankruptcy.
The Privatization of Water
According to UN sources, which vastly underestimate the seriousness of the water crisis, one billion people worldwide (15% of the World population) have no access to clean water "and 6,000 children die every day because of infections linked to unclean water" (BBC News, 24 March 2004)
A handful of global corporations including Suez, Veolia, Bechtel-United Utilities, Thames Water and Germany's RWE-AG are acquiring control and ownership over public water utilities and waste management. Suez and Veolia hold about 70 percent of the privatized water systems Worldwide.


The privatization of water under World Bank auspices feeds on the collapse of the system of public distribution of safe tap drinking water: "The World Bank serves the interests of water companies both through its regular loan programs to governments, which often come with conditions that explicitly require the privatization of water provision..." (Maude Barlow and Tony Clarke, Water Privatization: The World Bank's Latest Market Fantasy, Polaris Institute, Ottawa, 2004))
"The modus operandi [in India] is clear -- neglect development of water resources [under World Bank budget austerity measures], claim a "resource crunch" and allow existing systems to deteriorate." (Ann Ninan, Private Water, Public Misery, India Resource Center April 16, 2003)​
Meanwhile, the markets for bottled water have been appropriated by a handful of corporations including Coca-Cola, Danone, Nestlé and PepsiCo. These companies not only work hand in glove with the water utility companies, they are linked up to the agribusiness-biotech companies involved in the food industry. Tap water is purchased by Coca-Cola from a municipal water facility and then resold on a retail basis. It is estimated that in the US, 40 percent of bottled water is tap water. (See, Jared Blumenfeld, Susan Leal The real cost of bottled water, San Francisco Chronicle, February 18, 2007)


In India, Coca-Cola has contributed to the depletion of ground water to the detriment of local communities:
"Communities across India living around Coca-Cola's bottling plants are experiencing severe water shortages, directly as a result of Coca-Cola's massive extraction of water from the common groundwater resource. The wells have run dry and the hand water pumps do not work any more. Studies, including one by the Central Ground Water Board in India, have confirmed the significant depletion of the water table.​
When the water is extracted from the common groundwater resource by digging deeper, the water smells and tastes strange. Coca-Cola has been indiscriminately discharging its waste water into the fields around its plant and sometimes into rivers, including the Ganges, in the area. The result has been that the groundwater has been polluted as well as the soil. Public health authorities have posted signs around wells and hand pumps advising the community that the water is unfit for human consumption....​
Tests conducted by a variety of agencies, including the government of India, confirmed that Coca-Cola products contained high levels of pesticides, and as a result, the Parliament of India has banned the sale of Coca-Cola in its cafeteria. However, Coca-Cola not only continues to sell drinks laced with poisons in India (that could never be sold in the US and EU), it is also introducing new products in the Indian market. And as if selling drinks with DDT and other pesticides to Indians was not enough, one of Coca-Cola's latest bottling facilities to open in India, in Ballia, is located in an area with a severe contamination of arsenic in its groundwater.(India Resource Center, Coca-Cola Crisis in India, undated)​
In developing countries, the hikes in fuel prices have increased the costs of boiling tap water by households, which in turn favors the privatization of water resources.
In the more advanced phase of water privatization, the actual ownership of lakes and rivers by private corporations is contemplated. Mesopotamia was not only invaded for its extensive oil resources, the Valley of the two rivers (Tigris and Euphrates) has extensive water reserves.
Concluding Remarks
We are dealing with a complex and centralized constellation of economic power in which the instruments of market manipulation have a direct bearing on the lives of millions of people.
The prices of food, water, fuel are determined at the global level, beyond the reach of national government policy. The price hikes of these three essential commodities constitute an instrument of "economic warfare", carried out through the "free market" on the futures and options exchanges.
These hikes in the prices of food, water and fuel are contributing in a very real sense to "eliminating the poor" through "starvation deaths". The sugar coated bullets of the "free market" kill our children. The act to kill is instrumented in a detached fashion through computer program trading on the commodity exchanges, where the global prices of rice, wheat and corn are decided upon.

'The Commission on Population Growth and the American Future'
But we are not dealing solely with market concepts. The outbreak of famines in different parts of the World, resulting from spiraling food and fuel prices have broad strategic and geopolitical implications.

President Richard Nixon at the outset of his term in office in 1969 asserted "his belief that overpopulation gravely threatens world peace and stability." Henry Kissinger, who at the time was Nixon's National Security adviser, directed various agencies of government to jointly undertake “a study of the impact of world population growth on U.S. security and overseas interests.”

In March 1970, the U.S. Congress set up a Commission on Population Growth and the American Future. (See Center for Research on Population and Security). The Commission was no ordinary Task Force. It integrated representatives from USAID, the State Department and the Department of Agriculture with CIA and Pentagon officials. Its objective was not to assist developing countries but rather to curb World population with a view to serving US strategic and national security interests. The Commission also viewed population control as a means to ensuring a stable and secure environment for US investors as well as gaining control over developing countries' mineral and petroleum resources.
This Commission completed its work in December 1974 and circulated a classified document entitled National Security Study Memorandum 200: Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for U.S. Security and Overseas Interests" to "designated Secretaries and Agency heads for their review and comments." In November 1975, the report and its recommendations were endorsed by President Gerald Ford.
Kissinger had indeed intimated in the context of the National Security Study Memorandum 200 (NSSSM 200) that the recurrence of famines, disease and war could constitute a de facto instrument of population control.
Although the NSSM 200 report did not assign, for obvious reasons, an explicit policy role to famine formation, it nonetheless intimated that the occurrence of famines could, under certain circumstances, provide a de facto solution to overpopulation:

"Accordingly, those countries where large-scale hunger and malnutrition are already present face the bleak prospect of little, if any, improvement in the food intake in the years ahead barring a major foreign financial food aid program, more rapid expansion of domestic food production, reduced population growth or some combination of all three. Worse yet, a series of crop disasters could transform some of them into classic Malthusian cases with famines involving millions of people. While foreign assistance probably will continue to be forthcoming to meet short-term emergency situations like the threat of mass starvation, it is more questionable whether aid donor countries will be prepared to provide the sort of massive food aid called for by the import projections on a long-term continuing basis. Reduced population growth rates clearly could bring significant relief over the longer term.....​
In the extreme cases where population pressures lead to endemic famine, food riots, and breakdown of social order, those conditions are scarcely conducive to systematic exploration for mineral deposits or the long-term investments required for their exploitation. Short of famine, unless some minimum of popular aspirations for material improvement can be satisfied, and unless the terms of access and exploitation persuade governments and peoples that this aspect of the international economic order has "something in it for them," concessions to foreign companies are likely to be expropriated or subjected to arbitrary intervention. Whether through government action, labor conflicts, sabotage, or civil disturbance, the smooth flow of needed materials will be jeopardized. Although population pressure is obviously not the only factor involved, these types of frustrations are much less likely under conditions of slow or zero population growth."​
The report concludes with a couple of key questions pertaining to the role of food as "an instrument of national power", which could be used in the pursuit of US strategic interests.
  • "On what basis should such food resources then be provided? Would food be considered an instrument of national power? Will we be forced to make choices as to whom we can reasonably assist, and if so, should population efforts be a criterion for such assistance?
  • Is the U.S. prepared to accept food rationing to help people who can't/won't control their population growth?" (Ibid, emphasis added)
In the words of Henry Kissinger: "Control oil and you control nations; control food and you control the people."
 

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Hi, Quandary;
thanks for the very informative article. I have extracted something like the essence from it...
The dramatic price hikes are not the result of a shortage of fuel, food or water. This upheaval in the global economy is deliberate. The State's economic and financial policies are controlled by private corporate interests. Speculative trade is not the object of regulatory policies. The economic depression contributes to wealth formation, to enhancing the power of a handful of global corporations.
That's what I have suspected... deliberate!!

Thanks for the video! There's got to be a solution to feed those people. Why can't they grow their food? Who is hogging the land?
 

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Hi, Quandary;
thanks for the very informative article. I have extracted something like the essence from it...That's what I have suspected... deliberate!!

Thanks for the video! There's got to be a solution to feed those people. Why can't they grow their food? Who is hogging the land?


Thanks for the video

i cant go a day now without thinking about it, as much as i would like to ba able to do someting about how they can be helped, and do do stuff like join groups that i know help such as these ,Website: http://www.thegreenchildren.org
of which i am a member, the control of what happens in these countrys is not in our hands, and we are not the ones able to give the help they so despreatly need ,our little bit does help, but it could never be enough by it self, will the world wake up to the poverty others i think not that is untill they find "oil "there
 

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Why do we have to do anything? Fu*k 'em.

I don't believe in the "white mans burden" they can solve their own problems.
 

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funny story,

Once the west saw the starvation in Africa, and appalled gave massive food aid and agricultural investment.

Enough to (barely) feed the existing populace with room to grow production and save stores in granaries.

But then massive population rise occurred instead (that one I will accept blame to the pope, at least partially).


Africa can only help itself when it chooses to. It needs to focus on fewer babies and more production, just like the west.

The west has so much wealth (a big increase over a hundred years ago, vast) because we have a declining population, not an exploding one.
 

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funny story,

Once the west saw the starvation in Africa, and appalled gave massive food aid and agricultural investment.

Enough to (barely) feed the existing populace with room to grow production and save stores in granaries.

But then massive population rise occurred instead (that one I will accept blame to the pope, at least partially).


Africa can only help itself when it chooses to. It needs to focus on fewer babies and more production, just like the west.

The west has so much wealth (a big increase over a hundred years ago, vast) because we have a declining population, not an exploding one.
Don't forget how the West has enslaved and plundered Africa for more than a hundred years!:x:-(
For the population growth, I think, Mr. Morgentaler could help!
 

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Don't forget how the West has enslaved and plundered Africa for more than a hundred years!:x:-(
For the population growth, I think, Mr. Morgentaler could help!


Yes, but in the end that cost us more than it gave us. Side note: We enslaved and plundered China, India, Ireland and Eastern Europe as well.

All of those places seem to be able to piece themselves back togethor, and the successful ones use the same method. Fewer babies, more production.

Africa doesn't need pity or aid, it needs to fix its own problems and stop holding elections neither side has any intentions of honouring.
 

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Does the aid ever actually get to those starving people or does it buy bullets, bombs and power for some Idi Amin? They're not above using pitiful images to take advantage of soft-hearted (or is it headed) Westerners.
 

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Loon, no. They are living the Catholic and JW dream. Virtually no access to birth control or medicine. Does it get any better?
Hi, Kreskin;
I was of course joking!

I remember reading recently about US aids help for Africa. That included delivery of x# of condoms. It also included training and educating people about how aids spreads. This condom program was already done some years ago.

Africans are the youngest race on earth, and we can't expect the same level of thinking and reasoning as the Whites, for instance. Also, the Christian belief was very much drilled and scared into them by the white missionaries. It simply takes time to undo those early influences.

It is arrogant of a white person, who aborts millions of babies each year, to criticize the Blacks for having too many children.
Hunger, starvation and aids are huge problems to overcome. Just dropping some sacks of rice and beans is not good enough, they need to be taught about proper agriculture, how to develop commerce, and set up industry. Btw., who owns and operates the gold and diamant mines in Africa?
Just one click got me here:
http://www.agoracom.com/ir/MidlandsMinerals/profile

Midlands Minerals
is a growth oriented, dynamic, entrepreneurial junior exploration company focused on growing its mineral assets in Ghana and Tanzania. The Company trades on the TSX Venture Exchange under the ticker symbol MEX and holds a diversified portfolio of gold and diamond projects. Furthermore, Midlands operates in stable low risk countries with a long history of gold mining.

“If you had a debate about which African countries are the safest and best in which to operate, Ghana and Tanzania would come near the top of the list”, to quote Charles Wyatt of minesite.com. These two low risk countries with some of Africa’s largest gold deposits, are the focus of considerable mining interest by both large and small mining and exploration companies, including Newmont Mining, Anglo Gold Ashanti, Goldfields & Barrick Gold.
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Those names hardly sound African. I believe the exploitation is still ongoing.
 

darkbeaver

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Yes there is a cure for Africa it's called the extermination of capitalism, and that's the only cure. All education and all instruction and every African should immeadatly turn thier labours to that end and once and for all throw the carpet bagers into the gears till the man eating banks are ground to dust.
 

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Africans are the youngest race on earth, and we can't expect the same level of thinking and reasoning as the Whites, for instance. Also, the Christian belief was very much drilled and scared into them by the white missionaries. It simply takes time to undo those early influences.

Ok, Loon, seriously. That is so blatantly racist I don't know where to begin.

1.) If it matters, "blacks" are technically the oldest race, not the newest. Up until some problems with Arab colonialism they also used to eclipse Europe up until about 500 years ago.

2.) Christian belief was very much drilled into white people by middle eastern influences. Lets not forget Europe was a backwater land of unreasoning barbarians until about 500 years ago.

It is arrogant of a white person, who aborts millions of babies each year, to criticize the Blacks for having too many children.

No its not, because we started using family planning, then we got wealthy. And you know what, the UN agrees.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7501005.stm


Hunger, starvation and aids are huge problems to overcome. Just dropping some sacks of rice and beans is not good enough, they need to be taught about proper agriculture, how to develop commerce, and set up industry. Btw., who owns and operates the gold and diamant mines in Africa?
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Those names hardly sound African. I believe the exploitation is still ongoing.

Thats funny, they sound 100% african to me, having lived in Africa for Generations. Which is my point, this concept of "Black" doesn't exist there.

There are as many different Ethnic groups in Africa as Europe. Boers have as much right to call the area their homeland as "black" immigrants who colonized the area by force as well. And the many chinese and south asians who have lived there for generations the same.

Saying all "blacks" are the same is like saying that there is no difference between Germans, Slavs and Poles and ignoring all the problems in their past.
 

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2.) Christian belief was very much drilled into white people by middle eastern influences. Lets not forget Europe was a backwater land of unreasoning barbarians until about 500 years ago.
There was the Romans,Greeks and Vikings long before Muslims set foot on Europe, If your going to comment at least get it right. 500 years ago was the golden age of Europe when exactly do you think they founded America.

Take a look at the history of the world,
Whites, There has been greeks > romans > vikings/huns > english/spanish > enlgish again > america. = today
Blacks, Start of civilization - > - > - > - >
Arabs, Have had alot of conquest and at points have controlled most of the western half of the known globe.
Asia - Mongols/China > japan > And china again today

Every race in the world as at some point been the worlds most powerful nation except blacks, they are useless. Name one thing they have done.

Trying to blame slavery on whites is even more funny, China, Japan, South Africa, Brazil, hell Australia was the British dumping ground and even that is at the worlds forefront. Zimbabwe was one of Africas richest and most influential countries till they kicked all the white farmers and businesses out.

Let them wipe each other out, theres no point helping those that cant help themselves.
 

Scott Free

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Every race in the world as at some point been the worlds most powerful nation except blacks, they are useless. Name one thing they have done.

African Empires.

I'll never understand racist bastards like you. Why the hell do you think your so damn special? I suppose even cockroaches have to have a hierarchy. Is that what it is? Are you a proud little cockroach?