These wars are about oil, not democracy

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By ERIC MARGOLIS



PARIS -- The ugly truth behind the Iraq and Afghanistan wars finally has emerged.
Four major western oil companies, Exxon Mobil, Shell, BP and Total are about to sign U.S.-brokered no-bid contracts to begin exploiting Iraq's oil fields. Saddam Hussein had kicked these firms out three decades ago when he nationalized Iraq's oil industry. The U.S.-installed Baghdad regime is welcoming them back.
Iraq is getting back the same oil companies that used to exploit it when it was a British colony.
As former fed chairman Alan Greenspan recently admitted, the Iraq war was all about oil. The invasion was about SUV's, not democracy.
Afghanistan just signed a major deal to launch a long-planned, 1,680-km pipeline project expected to cost $8 billion. If completed, the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India pipeline (TAPI) will export gas and later oil from the Caspian basin to Pakistan's coast where tankers will transport it to the West.
The Caspian basin located under the Central Asian states of Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakkstan, holds an estimated 300 trillion cubic feet of gas and 100-200 billion barrels of oil. Securing the world's last remaining known energy El Dorado is a strategic priority for the western powers.
But there are only two practical ways to get gas and oil out of land-locked Central Asia to the sea: Through Iran, or through Afghanistan to Pakistan. Iran is taboo for Washington. That leaves Pakistan, but to get there, the planned pipeline must cross western Afghanistan, including the cities of Herat and Kandahar.

PIPELINE DEAL

In 1998, the Afghan anti-Communist movement Taliban and a western oil consortium led by the U.S. firm Unocal signed a major pipeline deal. Unocal lavished money and attention on the Taliban, flew a senior delegation to Texas, and hired a minor Afghan official, Hamid Karzai.
Enter Osama bin Laden. He advised the unworldly Taliban leaders to reject the U.S. deal and got them to accept a better offer from an Argentine consortium. Washington was furious and, according to some accounts, threatened the Taliban with war.
In early 2001, six or seven months before 9/11, Washington made the decision to invade Afghanistan, overthrow the Taliban, and install a client regime that would build the energy pipelines. But Washington still kept sending money to the Taliban until four months before 9/11 in an effort to keep it "on side" for possible use in a war against China.
The 9/11 attacks, about which the Taliban knew nothing, supplied the pretext to invade Afghanistan. The initial U.S. operation had the legitimate objective of wiping out Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida. But after its 300 members fled to Pakistan, the U.S. stayed on, built bases -- which just happened to be adjacent to the planned pipeline route -- and installed former Unocal "consultant" Hamid Karzai as leader.
Washington disguised its energy geopolitics by claiming the Afghan occupation was to fight "Islamic terrorism," liberate women, build schools and promote democracy. Ironically, the Soviets made exactly the same claims when they occupied Afghanistan from 1979-1989. The Iraq cover story was weapons of mass destruction and democracy.
Work will begin on the TAPI once Taliban forces are cleared from the pipeline route by U.S., Canadian and NATO forces. As American analyst Kevin Phillips writes, the U.S. military and its allies have become an "energy protection force."

ADDED BENEFIT

From Washington's viewpoint, the TAPI deal has the added benefit of scuttling another proposed pipeline project that would have delivered Iranian gas and oil to Pakistan and India.
India's energy needs are expected to triple over the next decade. Delhi, which has its own designs on Afghanistan, is cock-a-hoop over the new pipeline plan.
Russia, by contrast, is grumpy, having hoped to monopolize Central Asian energy exports.
Energy is more important than blood in our modern world. The U.S. is a great power with massive energy needs. Domination of oil is a pillar of America's world power. Let's be realistic. Afghanistan and Iraq are about oil, nothing else.

http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Margolis_Eric/2008/06/22/5953041-sun.php
 

L Gilbert

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I think there is more than just one reason behind wars. IE, the Taliban are at war because they simply want to rule the world convert it to their twisted sense of faith. The Shiite and Sharia insurgents are warring because of religion also. The States and a few others may be warring because of oil, but not everyone is.
 

MikeyDB

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No No NO....

It's all about transplanting democracy and "progress"..... it's the effort of all these multi-millionaire oil barons to demonstrate their generosity.

Ask Colpy....

Or Eyeore.... I suppose.
 

Scott Free

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Absolutely! Making war is all about peace not oil.

We can't possibly have peace and love on earth until we've killed a bunch of people. Look at North America for example. When we got here there were way too many Indians and buffalo - total chaos! We fixed that problem and now its paradise. We're just doing the same thing to the Middle East. Why mess with a proved model? we're just going to kill some people and get rid of some oil, you know, clean the place up.
 

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That's right.....we murdered all the Indians.

And the USA spent several hundred billion dollars in Iraq to defend their priviledge of paying $140 a barrel for oil.

And we are in Afghanistan for oil.

You've got it all........

Never mind that 90% of the Indians died of disease on contact with white folks.....we murdered them ALL!

Never mind that the USA could simply have bought much cheaper oil from Iraq's Saddam Hussein........

Never mind that their IS no oil in Afghanistan. And that the pipeline was originally set up with the Taliban.......

That's one thing I'll give you lefties.....you NEVER let the facts get in the way of your thrilling fantasies.........
 

MikeyDB

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Colpy: "That's one thing I'll give you lefties.....you NEVER let the facts get in the way of your thrilling fantasies........."


Yeah all you damn lefties that dragged us into Iraq..... Now whut are they called in America...Oh yeah....Republicans.


The fantasy that Saddam Hussein's stockpiles of mass destruction and nuclear weapons program absolutely existed and we know where they are... (Donald Rumsfeld leftwing extremist) so let's invade them.....

Fantasies abound.
 

Colpy

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Colpy: "That's one thing I'll give you lefties.....you NEVER let the facts get in the way of your thrilling fantasies........."


Yeah all you damn lefties that dragged us into Iraq..... Now whut are they called in America...Oh yeah....Republicans.


Fantasies abound.


Touche :)
 

Canaduh

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Сделал Вас, действительно полагают, что это когда-либо было о демократии, нефть - власть.
 

CDNBear

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As is the case with diamonds, the cost is grossly inflated by speculation traders and artificial.
 

CDNBear

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Cha-ching Cha-ching they's in the bling
LOL...

I do sometimes see why you have a bitterness for the capitalist system DB. Canadian oil should be nationalised. If Alberta takes issue with that, so be it. Between the Natives and the Canadian Armed forces, I'm sure we could set them straight...;-)
 

Lester

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LOL...

I do sometimes see why you have a bitterness for the capitalist system DB. Canadian oil should be nationalised. If Alberta takes issue with that, so be it. Between the Natives and the Canadian Armed forces, I'm sure we could set them straight...;-)
It could be provincialised but not nationalised, you would have to rewrite the constitution to wrest control of natural resources from the provinces. I'm not so sure they would just sign away their rights no questions asked:lol:
 

CDNBear

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It could be provincialised but not nationalised, you would have to rewrite the constitution to wrest control of natural resources from the provinces. I'm not so sure they would just sign away their rights no questions asked:lol:
The Notwithstanding clause would make short work of that issue.

BTW: I love the quote from Jello Biafra, the Dead Kennedy's rock. Are you a follower of them? If so, I'm trying to find a song, if you could call it that, in which there's a phone call between two leaders, ones talking about starting a war, the other sounds like he's getting off. I can't remember the name to find it. My fave song is "To drunk to fukk". Gawd damn that's funny and true too.
 

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Has It Taken You This Long To Figure Out That This Is What It Was About In The First Place.? 9/11 Was The Vehicle Used To Start This Ongoing Ludicrous Waste Of Life,and The Continuing War On Terror
 

Avro

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Wow, it took Erica until June 22, 2008 to say what I said years ago?

I should write trash for the Sun too. Gawd knows I could do a better job then Erica.

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/history/50170-hunt-oil-manifest-destiny-new.html

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/history/50207-hunt-oil-manifest-destiny-new.html


Really? To bad he wrote about it before you and he didn't call you names in the process like a wittle child.

http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2003/02/iraq_its_about_power_not_democracy.php
 

Avro

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That's right.....we murdered all the Indians.

And the USA spent several hundred billion dollars in Iraq to defend their priviledge of paying $140 a barrel for oil.

And we are in Afghanistan for oil.

You've got it all........

Never mind that 90% of the Indians died of disease on contact with white folks.....we murdered them ALL!

Never mind that the USA could simply have bought much cheaper oil from Iraq's Saddam Hussein........

Never mind that their IS no oil in Afghanistan. And that the pipeline was originally set up with the Taliban.......

That's one thing I'll give you lefties.....you NEVER let the facts get in the way of your thrilling fantasies.........

You never even read the article. :roll::lol:

Interesting thing about cons is how they just ignore certain truths to beef up their own biased opinons hoping the facts just vanish.

Hypocrit.